Newsom Still Has Emergency Powers

Blkfyre · Mar 25, 2022, 12:16 PM

Quote from: Hobby on Mar 25, 2022, 11:27 AMGeez that was last year and this is here and now with an opinion s to revoke Newsome executive powers. The emergency powers is on going and some could view his powers as Dictator.

Yes, it was last year. But rather than going back to the courts this year to fix it, they instead tried to go through the legislature, implying that they had not gathered anything more to challenge the prior ruling.

And just because it was last year doesn't make the argument any less valid. The last legal challenge to his powers was shut down. That is a valid point to have made.

Hobby · Mar 25, 2022, 02:16 PM

Quote from: Blkfyre on Mar 25, 2022, 12:16 PMYes, it was last year. But rather than going back to the courts this year to fix it, they instead tried to go through the legislature, implying that they had not gathered anything more to challenge the prior ruling.

And just because it was last year doesn't make the argument any less valid. The last legal challenge to his powers was shut down. That is a valid point to have made.

Might have been a year ago but not today. Covid is on its way out, the emergency seems to have ended, so the question is valid! Why is the legislator continuing to allow Newsom emergency powers?

Blkfyre · Mar 25, 2022, 02:30 PM

Quote from: Hobby on Mar 25, 2022, 02:16 PMMight have been a year ago but not today. Covid is on its way out, the emergency seems to have ended, so the question is valid! Why is the legislator continuing to allow Newsom emergency powers?

Then the question becomes why did the GOP try to go through the legislature rather than the courts?

Blkfyre · Mar 25, 2022, 03:07 PM

Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 25, 2022, 02:34 PMBecause it was the legislature that gave him the emergency powers in the first place, the Supreme Court generally only rules on whether a law is constitutional.

I will say this again, I don't care what party the Governor is, we cannot give one person broad emergency powers indefinitely unless we are at war or under martial law. Since we are NOT at war or under martial law then the legislature needs to remove these emergency powers.

Yet again you are showing you didn't read before. The governor is given emergency powers in more situations than war or martial law. The law was created BECAUSE of a pandemic situation so it's perfectly appropriate that he has these powers. Powers given BY THE LEGISLATURE. And the legislature has decided it's ok that he continues to have the power, so they don't need to do anything.

Again, I get it, YOU don't believe he should have the powers. But every reason you come up with removing them other than it's your personal position falls apart as he legally was granted the powers, legally extended the powers and both the legislature and courts support his having them.

Blkfyre · Mar 25, 2022, 03:30 PM

Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 25, 2022, 03:09 PMI don't care if it's legal, IT'S WRONG AND UNETHICAL!
Would you be saying the same thing if the Governor was a Republican? Be honest...
What if Congress gave emergency powers to Trump when he was President, would you say the same thing? Be honest...

Yes, because IT'S THE LAW. Unlike you apparently (based on your question about it being a democrat mattering), who judges the worth depending on political party rather than is it legal.

Democrat - Yes I'd say the same thing
Independent - Yes I'd say the same thing
Republican - Yes I'd say the same thing

Hobby · Mar 25, 2022, 05:19 PM

Quote from: Blkfyre on Mar 25, 2022, 03:30 PMYes, because IT'S THE LAW. Unlike you apparently (based on your question about it being a democrat mattering), who judges the worth depending on political party rather than is it legal.

Democrat - Yes I'd say the same thing
Independent - Yes I'd say the same thing
Republican - Yes I'd say the same thing

Emergency Powers were granted by legislator temporary at best. What Democrats are doing by allowing Newsom to continue with these powers is so that Democrats can push through their agenda without a debate or vote! Why else would Democrat legislator sit on their ass... you really believe if it were Republicans with a Republican Governor the Democrats wouldn't be pushing to get the emergency powers rescinded? Come on you know how the political game is played, the party in power will keep what ever advantage going until the power shifts to the other side.

HighStepper · Mar 25, 2022, 06:27 PM

The COVID emergency declaration allows Newsom to access federal funding and to override state laws while carrying out the state's pandemic response. However, some Republicans say continuing the emergency over a long period of time is unnecessary and gives the governor too much power.

Representatives from the California Hospital Association and California Professional Firefighters both urged the committee to keep the emergency declaration in place, as did the California State Association of Counties, Urban Counties of California and the mayors of Oakland and Los Angeles. Link

A key question, what specific things is Newsom doing today with the emergency powers that you do not like?

HighStepper · Mar 25, 2022, 06:56 PM

I went to College in Los Angeles in the 60's and 70's. I had a lot of fun in LA back then. Too crowed, too much traffic nowadays. I like to VISIT Oakland for the barbeque and Raider's games. And some sweet kinky ladies.

I accept your attitude about those cities. However, what is your take on the hospital associations and the fire associations speaking out against taking away the emergency powers?