Biden pardons 1500 criminals

Started by Romanticlover, Dec 13, 2024, 06:08 AM

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bats

Quote from: thaikhan on Dec 13, 2024, 07:19 PMI love how people that can't debate, the first thing they do is go and attack people and claim they don't believe in facts. Lame. Not surprising. Maybe Liberals don't realize they don't believe in facts either when they claim Russian Collusion for the last 8 years and they spent millions of dollars to have that FACT debunked. Not believing in facts seem to be one of the only bipartisan things both parties participate in.
When people don't bother to dig beneath the surface, errors like the one you made above can easily occur.

There was plenty of Russian involvement with the Trump campaign in 2016. For details, refer to the report by the Republican-led Senate Committee investigating the issue. Or the report by Robert Mueller's team.

Since Mueller wasn't able to find enough evidence to justify charging anyone with a criminal conspiracy, however, Fox News and other liars have told us for years that "Russia Russia Russia" was all a big hoax. It wasn't, but Americans are too dimwitted or too lazy to go beyond the surface.


Hobby

Biden should pardon Trump.  Now that would be a hoot.
Hobby

Blkfyre

Quote from: Bande on Dec 13, 2024, 05:49 PMFact... No charges ever levied for insurrection....
Therefore you are spreading false information.

So, to be clear, charges are what makes one guilty?

So that means Trump is absolutely guilty as he not only had charges but was convicted right?

HighStepper

"Biden will go down in history as the most corrupt President ever." It is amazing how many people parrot this Trump talking point, even after Trump has won the election.
  • Did they not learn history in school?
  • Do they have memory loss from cognitive decline?
  • Do they have some psychological need to stay in the MAGA rhetoric zone?
  • Do they like to spin crap out of their ass just to get a rise out of people?

Corruption has been a part of several presidential administrations throughout U.S. history. Here are a few notable examples:
1.    Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877): His administration was marred by numerous scandals, including the Whiskey Ring and the Crédit Mobilier scandal.
2.    Warren G. Harding (1921-1923): The Teapot Dome scandal, involving the secret leasing of federal oil reserves, is one of the most infamous in U.S. history.
3.    Richard Nixon (1969-1974): The Watergate scandal led to Nixon's resignation, making him the only U.S. president to resign from office.
4.    Ronald Reagan (1981-1989): The Iran-Contra affair involved the secret sale of arms to Iran and the diversion of the proceeds to Contra rebels in Nicaragua.
5.    Bill Clinton (1993-2001): The Whitewater controversy and the Monica Lewinsky scandal led to Clinton's impeachment by the House of Representatives, though he was acquitted by the Senate.
6.    George W. Bush (2001-2009): The administration faced criticism for the handling of the Iraq War and the response to Hurricane Katrina.
7.    Donald Trump (2017-2021): Trump's administration saw two impeachments, the first felony conviction of a president, and numerous other controversies.
For a more comprehensive list, you can check out this Wikipedia article. Link


Too much sex is still not enough.

Fathernature69

Every president pardon their big donars and political supporters.

Bill Clinton pardoned Patricia Hearst, who shot up the Crocker Bank in Carmichael. Killing Myron Opsahl, a business women makinga deposit. 

Both George W. And Trump pardoned around 200 people during their terms.  Obama pardoned 1,927 and Biden Pardoned  8,064. 

Just facts from Wikipedia:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_president_of_the_United_States

Danno

why would you pardon people that pleaded guilty, which most Jan 6 people did.
Just tap me on the head if I overstay my welcome

Romanticlover

I knew about the SLA and Patty Hearst in LA but not in Carmichael, the vitims name was Myma and she was a mother of four.

That doesn't surpirise me that Biden pardoned over 8000 convicts, that has to be the most of any President.
Are we having fun yet?

bats

Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 10, 2025, 09:42 AMI knew about the SLA and Patty Hearst in LA but not in Carmichael, the vitims name was Myma and she was a mother of four.

That doesn't surpirise me that Biden pardoned over 8000 convicts, that has to be the most of any President.
It doesn't surprise me that President Biden would use the pardon power to help 6,000 people who were previously living under the unnecessary cloud of a criminal record for simple possession of marijuana. Once again, Biden did a good thing for ordinary Americans.

Sadly, it will be a few years before we see anything like that again.


Romanticlover

Quote from: bats on Jan 10, 2025, 10:35 AMIt doesn't surprise me that President Biden would use the pardon power to help 6,000 people who were previously living under the unnecessary cloud of a criminal record for simple possession of marijuana. Once again, Biden did a good thing for ordinary Americans.

Sadly, it will be a few years before we see anything like that again.



That's another myth perpetuated by dope-smoking Democrats.
Nobody is/was in prison over a small amount of pot. They were in prison for trafficking and other crimes.
Are we having fun yet?

Blkfyre

#24
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 10, 2025, 12:02 PMThat's another myth perpetuated by dope-smoking Democrats.
Nobody is/was in prison over a small amount of pot. They were in prison for trafficking and other crimes.

Do you think the government is perpetrating a myth? https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/weighing-impact-simple-possession-marijuana

And the reason to pardon them is the 3 strikes law. Whether or not having a little weed is not much of a problem, but having a MANDATORY sentencing because of a little weed **IS** a problem.

Here is one state's three-strike's law based on a marijuana conviction:

Section 11359 is also punished under the state's "Three Strikes" system. [44] If you receive three "strikes," you'll be sentenced to at least twenty-five (25) years in a state prison.

For a little weed...

Guess what the pardons did? REMOVED STRIKES. So yeah, it's important that he got rid of those by pardoning those people.

bats

Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 10, 2025, 12:02 PMThat's another myth perpetuated by dope-smoking Democrats.
Nobody is/was in prison over a small amount of pot. They were in prison for trafficking and other crimes.
Who said anything about prison? Are you so misinformed that you believe a pardon always means letting someone out of prison?

bats

#26
Quote from: Blkfyre on Jan 10, 2025, 12:19 PMDo you think the government is perpetrating a myth? https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/weighing-impact-simple-possession-marijuana

And the reason to pardon them is the 3 strikes law. Whether or not having a little weed is not much of a problem, but having a MANDATORY sentencing because of a little weed **IS** a problem.

Here is one state's three-strike's law based on a marijuana conviction:

Section 11359 is also punished under the state's "Three Strikes" system. [44] If you receive three "strikes," you'll be sentenced to at least twenty-five (25) years in a state prison.

For a little weed...

Guess what the pardons did? REMOVED STRIKES. So yeah, it's important that he got rid of those by pardoning those people.
The pardons for marijuana possession had nothing to do with three-strikes laws.

Read the proclamation.

Also, Health and Safety Code section 11359 relates to possession of marijuana for sale under state law. The Biden pardons are for violations of federal law relating to simple possession.

Danno

Texas will put you in jail for smoking weed
Just tap me on the head if I overstay my welcome

Blkfyre

#28
Quote from: bats on Jan 10, 2025, 01:51 PMThe pardons for marijuana possession had nothing to do with three-strikes laws.

Read the proclamation.

Also, Health and Safety Code section 11359 relates to possession of marijuana for sale under state law. The Biden pardons are for violations of federal law relating to simple possession.


https://www.kannlawoffice.com/marijuana-possession.html#:~:text=Possession%20for%20Sale%20of%20Marijuana&text=Section%2011359%20is%20also%20punished,years%20in%20a%20state%20prison.

Included in the California Health and Safety Code are several offenses related to Possession of Marijuana: Planting, etc., Marijuana (HSC §11358), Possession for Sale of Marijuana (HSC §11359), Offering to Sell, Furnish, etc., Marijuana (HSC §11360(a)), Employment of Minor to Sell, etc., Marijuana (HSC §11361(a)), and Driving with an Open Container of Cannabis (California Vehicle Code [CVC] §23222(b)(1)).

Planting, etc., Marijuana
The crime of Planting, etc., Marijuana (HSC §11358) involves planting, cultivating, harvesting, drying, or processing any part of a cannabis plant. For purposes of the statute, "marijuana" is defined as "all or part of the Cannabis sativa L. plant, whether growing or not, including the seeds and resin extracted from any part of the plant. It also includes every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of the plant, its seeds, or resin."[32]

Since Planting, etc., Marijuana can be prosecuted as a Misdemeanor or a Felony, depending on the facts of your case, the crime is considered a "wobbler"[33] in California. You can receive a Felony sentence for three or more violations of the statute, or having a sex crime conviction on your record, or for producing one of the statute's enumerated environmental effects.[34]

Section 11358 is also punishable under the state's "Three Strikes" system.[35] If you receive three "strikes," you'll serve at least twenty-five (25) years in a state prison.[36]

So yes, simple Marijuana possession CAN lead to three strikes...

bats

Quote from: Blkfyre on Jan 10, 2025, 05:29 PMhttps://www.kannlawoffice.com/marijuana-possession.html#:~:text=Possession%20for%20Sale%20of%20Marijuana&text=Section%2011359%20is%20also%20punished,years%20in%20a%20state%20prison.
Included in the California Health and Safety Code are several offenses related to Possession of Marijuana: Planting, etc., Marijuana (HSC §11358), Possession for Sale of Marijuana (HSC §11359), Offering to Sell, Furnish, etc., Marijuana (HSC §11360(a)), Employment of Minor to Sell, etc., Marijuana (HSC §11361(a)), and Driving with an Open Container of Cannabis (California Vehicle Code [CVC] §23222(b)(1)).
Planting, etc., Marijuana
The crime of Planting, etc., Marijuana (HSC §11358) involves planting, cultivating, harvesting, drying, or processing any part of a cannabis plant. For purposes of the statute, "marijuana" is defined as "all or part of the Cannabis sativa L. plant, whether growing or not, including the seeds and resin extracted from any part of the plant. It also includes every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of the plant, its seeds, or resin."[32]
Since Planting, etc., Marijuana can be prosecuted as a Misdemeanor or a Felony, depending on the facts of your case, the crime is considered a "wobbler"[33] in California. You can receive a Felony sentence for three or more violations of the statute, or having a sex crime conviction on your record, or for producing one of the statute's enumerated environmental effects.[34]
Section 11358 is also punishable under the state's "Three Strikes" system.[35] If you receive three "strikes," you'll serve at least twenty-five (25) years in a state prison.[36]
So yes, simple Marijuana possession CAN lead to three strikes...
The most charitable explanation for your "analysis" is that there might be a hypothetical scenario under a state's three-strikes law where someone eligible for the Biden pardons is in state prison because of a rogue local prosecutor.

That's not what the Biden pardons for federal crimes relating to simple possession are about, however. Read the proclamation. It specifies the statutes under which someone could be eligible for a pardon. State statutes are not implicated in any way.

You've misread a few things and seem to think you've performed a valid legal analysis, but you have not.