Los Angeles Fires (thread split)

[Blkfyre]

So now it's the fire depts fault, they should of known the fire hydrants didn't work. lol

The fire hydrants work just fine, that they don't is just more republican lies: https://apnews.com/article/california-los-angeles-wildfires-water-misinformation-27b0059719e8b475d452030c221fe544

Much of the misinformation is being spread "because it offers an opportunity to take potshots at California Democratic leadership while simultaneously distracting attention from the real contributing factors, especially the role of climate change," said Peter Gleick, senior fellow at the Pacific Institute, a nonprofit he co-founded that focuses on global water sustainability.

Officials said the hydrants were overstressed for hours as aerial firefighting wasn't possible because of high winds. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power said they were pumping plenty of water into the system, but demand was so high that it wasn't enough to refill three million-gallon tanks in Pacific Palisades that help pressurize hydrants there.

Janisse Quiñones, head of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, said at a news conference that 3 million gallons of water were available when the Palisades fire started but demand was four times greater than ever seen. Hydrants are designed for fighting fires at one or two houses at a time, not hundreds

[bats]

It is clearly Democrat policies in this state that contribute to this kind of catastrophe.  Who started the fires?  I'm not sure we'll ever know, but we do know that they know, that this whole fucking state is not prepared for this kind of disaster.  Would better forest management help?  Do you really have to ask?  Would more water storage help?  Do you really have to ask?  Why isn't this state a MODEL for all other states to follow when it comes to natural disaster mitigation?  Because Democrat policies will never allow that to happen.

Would Republicans, the people who say they want to shrink government down to a size where it could be drowned in a bathtub, have been willing to pay the enormous costs of having A LOT more water storage on hand? Well, maybe now they would be, but no fucking way before these fires.

 As to forest management, it's obvious that things can always be better. But any suggestion that things would have better under Republican leadership is, at best, naïve.

[Hobby]

Would Republicans, the people who say they want to shrink government down to a size where it could be drowned in a bathtub, have been willing to pay the enormous costs of having A LOT more water storage on hand? Well, maybe now they would be, but no fucking way before these fires.

 As to forest management, it's obvious that things can always be better. But any suggestion that things would have better under Republican leadership is, at best, naïve.

Would Republicans, the people who say they want to shrink government down to a size where it could be drowned in a bathtub, have been willing to pay the enormous costs of having A LOT more water storage on hand? Well, maybe now they would be, but no fucking way before these fires.

 As to forest management, it's obvious that things can always be better. But any suggestion that things would have better under Republican leadership is, at best, naïve.

And just when where things under control of Republicans in California?  Hmm I think it was 1970 so that means Democrats have held control of Calif for like 55 years except for a couple years in 73-75.  After this disaster my guess next election California could flip.

[Romanticlover]

When Democrats are in charge and something goes wrong they always blame someone else.
"It was the fire depts fault, it was climate change, it was the water pressure, blah, blah, blah."

Remember about a decade ago when the governor of Michigan(who was a Republican) was blamed by Democrats for the lead in Flint's water? The lead pipes were installed during WWI before the governor was even born.

Remember a few years ago when that ice storm hit Texas and the power went out, the Democrats tried to blame Sen Ted Cruz(R) because he was on vacation in Mexico? A US Senator has little control over the power grid.

In this case the fires were the direct cause of letting crazy people and illegals out on the streets to start them, then not having the resources to put them out.

[Hobby]

Palicades didn't really have sufficient man power , water and equipment to fight this size of fire. I have no doubt this is true.  My question is what was done before this wildfire to help prevent a wildfire danger that was surpassed by high winds?  Nothing was done!

[Zep]

I'm certain there will be lots of bills proposed to increase our taxes to help prevent this in the future.  Who's all in favor of a big tax increase for us all???     Not me.  If you are stupid enough to build and live in a dangerous place. That's your choice. I really don't care if natural wildfires happen as they have for thousands of years.  It's called nature.....   

[Hobby]

I'm certain there will be lots of bills proposed to increase our taxes to help prevent this in the future.  Who's all in favor of a big tax increase for us all???     Not me.  If you are stupid enough to build and live in a dangerous place. That's your choice. I really don't care if natural wildfires happen as they have for thousands of years.  It's called nature.....   

They already budgeted to buy more equipment etc but diverted the money to other Democrat backed programs like homeless and illegals.  Don't want to live in dangerous area, how about the hundreds of thousands living in these areas now?  You think Palicades was a risky place to live before all the brush and fire load buildup. ?  It is the city's job to do all it can to keep their city safe.

What about all the fire equipment California just recently gave to Ukraine?  Think this was a smart idea?

[HighStepper]

Remember a few years ago when that ice storm hit Texas and the power went out, the Democrats tried to blame Sen Ted Cruz(R) because he was on vacation in Mexico? A US Senator has little control over the power grid.

No it didn't happen that way. Ted Cruz traveled out of the state amid the worst storm in many Texans' lifetimes. He abandoned his fellow Texans using his privilege to escape horrific storm conditions for his personal comfort. He was NOT out of country on vacation when the storm hit.

In this case the fires were the direct cause of letting crazy people and illegals out on the streets to start them, then not having the resources to put them out.

An alleged arson suspect connected to the California wildfires entered the country illegally from Mexico 16 years ago when Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger, a well above average governor, was the Governor of California. It would be ludicrous to blame Schwarzenegger. partial source

Ruben Montes, 29, was arrested for arson in Irwindale, California, roughly 16 miles away from Altadena, where the deadly Eaton Fire continues to rage. It is also unclear if he has any ties to the other fires ravaging LA. It has not been disclosed if he is an immigrant, so at this time we don't know. partial source

So to keep the conspiracy theory going, illegal immigrants were starting fires so they could barbeque the dogs and cats before eating them.

[HighStepper]

What about all the fire equipment California just recently gave to Ukraine?  Think this was a smart idea?

One X user with the handle @OcrazioCornPop, wrote in a post on the platform on Wednesday: "FLASHBACK: California donated Firefighting Equipment to Ukraine in 2022." Amazing how sick people will use tragedy to get their click bate traffic up.

A number of fire departments in California (from all over the State) did donate firefighting supplies to be sent to Ukraine in 2022. The state has also sent medical supplies and protective gear to help first responders in Ukraine. Link

Prior thread on CAL FIRE fire suppression capabilities.

[bats]

In this case the fires were the direct cause of letting crazy people and illegals out on the streets to start them, then not having the resources to put them out.

It's amazing that we have people in this forum who know exactly what caused these fires. You should pass this on to the investigative agencies, who are still doing their investigations and haven't come to any conclusions as far as I know. It would make their jobs so much easier.

[Hobby]

Question is what surplus equipment did the LA Fire Dept send and not sell to other fire departments who may have needed it?  Everything that happens or should have happened prior to this massive fire will be looked at.  Not so much as for accountability but first priority should be as to what wasn't done and what can be done to help prevent fires of this magnitude in the future.  No way do I believe officials did not know of the danger of the over grown massive fuel load that could lead to this.  What they say nothing can be done let's hope we don't have a fire.  Ecologogist want to protect animals and plants but now there is nothing left to protect.  Trump back in 2018 did offer to help Calif with money and Newsome rejected the help because of environmental lobbies. This time Trump will offer federal money again and Newsom will accept it and do what Trump wants.

Enviromentalist are finished now telling the government what they can and can't do. Shame it took a massive fire to wake people up.

[HighStepper]

Trump back in 2018 did offer to help Calif with money and Newsome rejected the help because of environmental lobbies...

Actually, there was no such offer from Trump to California in 2018.

[zoezane]

Maybe Romanticlover needs to run for President 2028

[Romanticlover]

Actually, there was no such offer from Trump to California in 2018.

Trump offered assistance.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/17/newsom-trump-california-wildfires-1000494

[Romanticlover]

Maybe Romanticlover needs to run for President 2028

I need to get out of this bizzaro state by 2028.