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Hobby

Quote from: bats on Jan 24, 2025, 09:03 PMSeems he's mostly committed to undoing things. For example, he ordered a federal hiring freeze that caused his minions to rescind job offers that were already made.

Imagine going through the application process, interviewing, receiving a job offer, making plans to move to D.C., and then having an angry 78-year-old man come along and take that away because he wants to make sure you're sufficiently loyal to him personally.

I hope you wanted fascism, because it looks like it's on the way.


Maybe it will take fascism to cleanup government and get these criminal illegals out of our country.  Why didn't Biden have the illegal criminals rounded up and deported. 
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bats

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 26, 2025, 10:10 PMMaybe it will take fascism to cleanup government and get these criminal illegals out of our country.
This is what Trump has been selling since 2016. Not fascism per se, of course, but the idea that he is the strongman the country needs to fix all our problems. Remember, he told us, "I alone can fix it."

That's autocrat talk, and for various reasons it appeals to some people. They're usually poorly informed and they want a "daddy" in the White House, or they're super rich and look forward to becoming richer, along with the autocrat himself.

People should be careful about what they wish for.

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add uneducated and often are incapable of independently thinking for themselves so they let others make choices for them.....odd way to live a life IMO but it seems many prefer to keep things simple.

Hobby

Quote from: bats on Jan 26, 2025, 10:34 PMThis is what Trump has been selling since 2016. Not fascism per se, of course, but the idea that he is the strongman the country needs to fix all our problems. Remember, he told us, "I alone can fix it."

That's autocrat talk, and for various reasons it appeals to some people. They're usually poorly informed and they want a "daddy" in the White House, or they're super rich and look forward to becoming richer, along with the autocrat himself.

People should be careful about what they wish for.


Trump certainly did not hide anything he would do if reelected and voters knew Trump was convicted of felonies.  America spoke reelecting Trump.  You could be 100% right about all of this but nothing will be done.  Trump is more powerful this time around because SCOTUS said the president is immune from prosecution. So buckle up Trump is shaking things up.
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Blkfyre

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 27, 2025, 10:59 AMTrump certainly did not hide anything he would do if reelected and voters knew Trump was convicted of felonies.  America spoke reelecting Trump.  You could be 100% right about all of this but nothing will be done.  Trump is more powerful this time around because SCOTUS said the president is immune from prosecution. So buckle up Trump is shaking things up.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-i-have-nothing-to-do-with-project-2025-trump-says

"I have nothing to do with Project 2025," Trump said in the ABC News Presidential Debate. "I haven't read it. I don't want to read it purposely. I'm not going to read it."

"This was a group of people that got together, they came up with some ideas, I guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference. I have nothing to do [with it]," he said on the debate stage.


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Kinda looks like he did hide what he was going to do...

Hobby

Quote from: Blkfyre on Jan 27, 2025, 12:15 PMhttps://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-i-have-nothing-to-do-with-project-2025-trump-says

"I have nothing to do with Project 2025," Trump said in the ABC News Presidential Debate. "I haven't read it. I don't want to read it purposely. I'm not going to read it."

"This was a group of people that got together, they came up with some ideas, I guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference. I have nothing to do [with it]," he said on the debate stage.


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Kinda looks like he did hide what he was going to do...

Maybe he didn't have anything to with it before the election and now agrees with it.  I don't know what he did or didn't know do you?
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HighStepper

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 27, 2025, 01:58 PMMaybe he didn't have anything to with it before the election and now agrees with it.  I don't know what he did or didn't know do you?
Interesting point you make. With all the lying, bragging, and blaming that Trump does it is hard to discern the depth of his knowledge.
  • Trump does not explain concepts clearly avoiding unnecessary hyperbole.
  • Trump does not show a depth of understanding by diving deep into a topic giving detailed and nuanced explanations.
  • Trump has no consistency in how he describes different scenarios and answer questions.
  • Trump cannot analyze and critique information thoughtfully to show that he has a well-formed understanding.
So basically we are left with outside facts and events to infer what he knows. If someone walks into a lighted room, reaches for the light switch and turns it off, we can reasonably infer the he knew that the room would go dark. 



Too much sex is still not enough.

bats

Quote from: HighStepper on Jan 27, 2025, 02:48 PMSo basically we are left with outside facts and events to infer what he knows. If someone walks into a lighted room, reaches for the light switch and turns it off, we can reasonably infer the he knew that the room would go dark. 
Exactly. In law, they call this "constructive knowledge." Essentially, it means that even if the person didn't have actual knowledge that the particular switch would turn off the lights, he can be presumed to have intended to turn them off because any responsible person would have figured that out.

Though Trump doesn't seem to care about details, he's the fucking president. As such, we citizens have a right to expect him to know what the results of his actions will be even if, in actuality, he's a reckless ignoramus.

Hobby

Quote from: bats on Jan 27, 2025, 04:42 PMExactly. In law, they call this "constructive knowledge." Essentially, it means that even if the person didn't have actual knowledge that the particular switch would turn off the lights, he can be presumed to have intended to turn them off because any responsible person would have figured that out.

Though Trump doesn't seem to care about details, he's the fucking president. As such, we citizens have a right to expect him to know what the results of his actions will be even if, in actuality, he's a reckless ignoramus.

Based on Trump history yes a educated guess that Trump knew about project 2025 and it would be a good guess that he was the head of it.  But only a guess! The only voters concerned over 2025 is the far left I doubt if he knew about it concerned the GOP. People did or didn't vote for Trump over the 2025 issue.  Trump made known what he would do if reelected and so far he hasn't broken a promise.  Today he fired prosecutors involved in the J6 prosecution who worked with Smith.  Trump claims he is deweaponizing the Justice Department.  I see it as Trump is weaponizing the department to go after anyone who opposed him or he thinks will oppose him. If the country does not do well in the next two years America will have its say again and hand congress back to the Dems. These firings are headed to court and then we will see if the courts allow Trump to do this.
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bats

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 27, 2025, 07:43 PMBased on Trump history yes a educated guess that Trump knew about project 2025 and it would be a good guess that he was the head of it.  But only a guess! The only voters concerned over 2025 is the far left I doubt if he knew about it concerned the GOP. People did or didn't vote for Trump over the 2025 issue.  Trump made known what he would do if reelected and so far he hasn't broken a promise.  Today he fired prosecutors involved in the J6 prosecution who worked with Smith.  Trump claims he is deweaponizing the Justice Department.  I see it as Trump is weaponizing the department to go after anyone who opposed him or he thinks will oppose him. If the country does not do well in the next two years America will have its say again and hand congress back to the Dems. These firings are headed to court and then we will see if the courts allow Trump to do this.
I'm saying he probably didn't know (or care) about the details, but that there was an agreement to allow those who were involved to carry it out in exchange for their support of his candidacy.

Obviously, Trump will have final say but I don't think he'll care about any of it unless someone who matters to him makes a public stink over one of the individual policies. For example, he might not go along with their plan to make criminals out of people who make or distribute porn, since there's a shit ton of money in porn and Trump might like some of that in his personal bank account.

Hobby

What is in Project 2025 is Trump's agenda.  It's not Trump is implementing Project 2025 he is implementing his agenda. Project 2025 summerize Trump agenda.  Back during the campaign Trump said he would do all these things and now we see he is.  No surprise. Project 25 followed Trump...
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HighStepper

Quote from: Bande on Jan 26, 2025, 08:21 PMTrump has 47% approval rating and 41% non approval.
Trump is the only President ever to rate higher in their 1st month of their second term compared to their 1st term.
Making America Great....
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It's not Trump's 1st term.
The poll found Trump with a 47 percent approval rating, higher than almost the entirety of his first term, though still below the majority support that most other presidents have enjoyed at the start of their administrations. Link

Trump's approval should really go up after he brings down grocery prices.

The poll found Trump with a 47 percent approval rating, higher than almost the entirety of his first term, though still below the majority support that most other presidents have enjoyed at the start of their administrations. Link

Presidential Job Approval Ratings Following the First 100 Days

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Too much sex is still not enough.

HighStepper

Quote from: Blkfyre on Jan 26, 2025, 08:41 PMCould we get links to the stories about the known money laundering SCHEME, the back taxes and penalties?
That's a rhetorical question.
The U.S. House Oversight Committee has been investing the Biden family for over 2 years. It's all a political "witch-hunt." Not much talk from MAGA about the Billions of dollars the Trump crime family has taken.
Too much sex is still not enough.

Hobby

Trump does not have a second term he has a split term and this happened once before.  So you can't compare Trump's return to office the same as if he was relected 2nd term as other presidents.  A lot happened in 4 years that influence Trump's return.
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bats

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 27, 2025, 08:41 PMWhat is in Project 2025 is Trump's agenda.  It's not Trump is implementing Project 2025 he is implementing his agenda. Project 2025 summerize Trump agenda.  Back during the campaign Trump said he would do all these things and now we see he is.  No surprise. Project 25 followed Trump...
I don't recall him explicitly promising to replace career DOJ lawyers with Trump loyalists. I mean, it's not shocking because he's an autocrat, but I don't think he came right out and said it.

But in a companion Project 2025 document we have this gem:

Project 2025 will train thousands of patriotic Americans to serve in the next presidential administration and enact the conservative policy reforms that will save our country.

Incidentally, this passage doesn't contemplate Trump specifically. The far-right radicals of Project 2025, who hilariously call themselves "conservative," have been planning this for a while, with or without Trump.