Musk's Hostile Takeover of American Government

Started by bats, Feb 02, 2025, 03:22 PM

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bats

Among other things, Musk has reportedly gained access to the Treasury Department's payment systems and tried to get illegal access to a SCIF.

By his tweets, he seems to be bypassing any legal authority to stop payments that he considers illegal. That's not how it works, but this country's voters were dumb enough to put an autocrat in the White House.
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Danno

I feel so much safer now that Musk has control OF THE FUCKIN COUNTRY COMPUTER SYSTEMS locked everyone out and can stop payments of anything he wants, and to get it back you will have to go to court, and you know who appoints.
People in assisted living are going to get cut, and die and he don't care.
That's what you voted for.
Just tap me on the head if I overstay my welcome

bats

Here are some of the highly qualified people Musk has sent to infiltrate government systems:
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Hobby

This is all just speculation as to what Musk is doing. Trump has full authority to give access to anyone he chooses. They tried to stop payments but a judge put a stop to this at least is what I understand has happened.  And Trump backed off.
Hobby

Blkfyre

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Quote from: Hobby on Feb 02, 2025, 11:12 PMThis is all just speculation as to what Musk is doing. Trump has full authority to give access to anyone he chooses. They tried to stop payments but a judge put a stop to this at least is what I understand has happened.  And Trump backed off.

So we can't know what Elon is doing even if HE is the one telling us what he's doing?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-says-doge-halting-treasury-020337006.html

Elon Musk said his "DOGE team" of government efficiency enforcers is shutting down some payments to federal contractors, suggesting that the world's richest man may have access to sensitive systems used at the US Treasury Department.

"The corruption and waste is being rooted out in real-time," Musk posted on X, saying officials reporting to his so-called Department of Government Efficiency are "rapidly shutting down" payments to a Lutheran charity.

Is what he is doing legal? Nope.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/treasury-dept-elon-musks-team-access-federal-payment/story?id=118380399

If Musk or his team were to attempt to block these payments, it would likely face legal challenges given the money is approved by Congress.

Sources said that if Musk or his representatives were to request that changes be made to the system, such requests would be subject to an internal review process by Treasury Department officials.

In a letter to Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, Sen. Ron Wyden, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, said that any "politically-motivated meddling" in the payment systems "risks severe damage to our country and the economy."

"To put it bluntly, these payment systems simply cannot fail, and any politically-motivated meddling in them risks severe damage to our country and the economy. I am deeply concerned that following the federal grant and loan freeze earlier this week, these officials associated with Musk may have intended to access these payment systems to illegally withhold payments to any number of programs," Wyden wrote in a Friday evening letter.

"I can think of no good reason why political operators who have demonstrated a blatant disregard for the law would need access to these sensitive, missioncritical systems," Wyden wrote.

bats

Today Trump elaborated on Musk's authority, according to the Wall Street Journal:

"Elon can't do and won't do anything without our approval. We'll give him the approval where appropriate; where not appropriate, we won't. But he reports in and it's something that he feels very strongly about."

Translation: Musk can do whatever the fuck he wants because he's great at tearing things down without thinking, just like Trump.

Hobby

Quote from: bats on Feb 03, 2025, 01:39 PMToday Trump elaborated on Musk's authority, according to the Wall Street Journal:

"Elon can't do and won't do anything without our approval. We'll give him the approval where appropriate; where not appropriate, we won't. But he reports in and it's something that he feels very strongly about."

Translation: Musk can do whatever the fuck he wants because he's great at tearing things down without thinking, just like Trump.

So you don't want to know where money is spent and on what and how much. You don't want to reduce cost or find better more efficient ways to get money where it is needed.  You probably are okay with taxpayers paying for transgender inmate sex change.  Keep the borders open allowing uncontrolled immigrants to enter the US illegally bringing in tons of narcotics that kill our citizens.  And you think Harris should have won the election.  Trump is doing what is expected of our leader.
Hobby

bats

Quote from: Hobby on Feb 03, 2025, 02:19 PMSo you don't want to know where money is spent and on what and how much. You don't want to reduce cost or find better more efficient ways to get money where it is needed. You probably are okay with taxpayers paying for transgender inmate sex change.  Keep the borders open allowing uncontrolled immigrants to enter the US illegally bringing in tons of narcotics that kill our citizens.  And you think Harris should have won the election. Trump is doing what is expected of our leader.
I care about how the money is spent, but we shouldn't leave that to the whims of a mad billionaire who courts autocrats.

The Journal article I quoted was about Musk's moves to gut USAID, including closing its headquarters in Washington. Musk tweeted yesterday, "USAID is a criminal organization."

And it's not as though there aren't existing controls on spending. But Elon Musk is not interested in improving government efficiency. He's interested in weakening American democracy and enhancing his own power.

Blkfyre

Quote from: Hobby on Feb 03, 2025, 02:19 PMSo you don't want to know where money is spent and on what and how much. You don't want to reduce cost or find better more efficient ways to get money where it is needed.  You probably are okay with taxpayers paying for transgender inmate sex change.  Keep the borders open allowing uncontrolled immigrants to enter the US illegally bringing in tons of narcotics that kill our citizens.  And you think Harris should have won the election.  Trump is doing what is expected of our leader.

So you are OK with Musk having access to your Social Security number, all of your credit information and any other personal information that is supposed to be in secure government websites?

Zep

It's OK, China will happily step in and become the givers to all these nations around the world. When the day comes and we need the world to support us with troops, ports, airports, logistics, intelligence.  they will first ask China if it is ok or not.
We all got two lives, the second one begins when you realize you only have one.

Bande

I purely support downsizing the Government and cutting the fat.
Government has gotten out of Control and forgetting they work for the People. Not the Unions nor pharmacies..
Lots of $$$$$ being wasted and going to useless organizations.

Far as China goes, Fauci and China launched biological warfare. Therefore they should disappear from this Earth.
My opinion..

bats

Quote from: bats on Feb 03, 2025, 02:48 PMI care about how the money is spent, but we shouldn't leave that to the whims of a mad billionaire who courts autocrats.

The Journal article I quoted was about Musk's moves to gut USAID, including closing its headquarters in Washington. Musk tweeted yesterday, "USAID is a criminal organization."

And it's not as though there aren't existing controls on spending. But Elon Musk is not interested in improving government efficiency. He's interested in weakening American democracy and enhancing his own power.
An article published today in wired.com notes that "lifesaving" work is exempt from the pause on funding, and the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, or PEPFAR, has already been granted an emergency humanitarian waiver to keep operating. So that's good, right?

Not exactly. Musk's idiotic "shoot first, ask questions later" approach means that at least 300 babies who wouldn't have HIV now have it.

And this is the pro-life party?

Bande

Quote from: bats on Feb 03, 2025, 09:31 PMAn article published today in wired.com notes that "lifesaving" work is exempt from the pause on funding, and the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, or PEPFAR, has already been granted an emergency humanitarian waiver to keep operating. So that's good, right?

Not exactly. Musk's idiotic "shoot first, ask questions later" approach means that at least 300 babies who wouldn't have HIV now have it.

And this is the pro-life party?

How much fat have they cut so far???
Any fat being cut I'm for.
Just like life some decisions need a 2nd look... The Courts took care of that...
You are not perfect, neither is Musk.
This Administration has done more than Biden had in 4 years.. And more to come.
How many press conferences did Biden have? LMAO.. Biden was sleeping allowing the Country to go to HELL...

Hobby

Biden is finished but the mess he left has to be cleaned up.  I haven't heard any democrats concern about over spending.
Hobby

bats

In the Economist there's a good breakdown on how Musk is attacking the workings of the federal government in the same shambolic way he that he broke Twitter when he took it over.