Social Security Disability Fraud

Started by Hobby, Mar 08, 2025, 12:10 PM

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Hobby

I firmly believe the DOJ needs to review those on permanent disability to recheck their disability status.  And for those found to have committed fraud forced to work to repay what they stole from taxpayers.  I know someone who recently was approved for permanent disability but earns income under the table.  This is so wrong.  I haven't decided should report her to the DOJ.  Yes she has health issues but not to the extent she can't work. 
Hobby

HighStepper

Fraud in Social Security Disability Insurance is estimated to be less than 1%. However, fraudsters should be sought out and prosecuted.

The SSA conducts Continuing Disability Reviews (CDRs) to ensure that individuals receiving disability benefits still meet the eligibility criteria. These reviews happen at intervals, depending on the recipient's medical condition.

The SSA has an Office of the Inspector General (OIG) that investigates potential fraud. When sufficient evidence of fraud is found, the OIG may recommend criminal charges, and the DOJ handles the legal proceedings to prosecute those responsible.
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Hobby

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Quote from: HighStepper on Mar 08, 2025, 01:38 PMFraud in Social Security Disability Insurance is estimated to be less than 1%. However, fraudsters should be sought out and prosecuted.

The SSA conducts Continuing Disability Reviews (CDRs) to ensure that individuals receiving disability benefits still meet the eligibility criteria. These reviews happen at intervals, depending on the recipient's medical condition.

The SSA has an Office of the Inspector General (OIG) that investigates potential fraud. When sufficient evidence of fraud is found, the OIG may recommend criminal charges, and the DOJ handles the legal proceedings to prosecute those responsible.

If a full scale review has not been performed 1% may be a very low percentage.  When I retired early from the state at age 62 I had severe heart issues and was passing out at work.  I applied for ssi disability and it was approved after they reviewed medical and employment records.  No way would a employer hire a person with a heart issues and passing out work.  Since my retirement i have has multiple surgeries to improve my heart function and basically not fully disabled as I was at age 62.  When a person on full disability turns 65 disability is converted to regular ssi. It wasn't until I turned 68 that the disability was resolved.  My guess is there are many who are approved for full disability have received medical treatment like i did that resolved the disability and they can return to work. 

I believe if the ssa reviews Disability payouts they will find billions in fraud.

All ssa would need to do is require permanent disability patients who undergo surgeries paid by Medicare that the doctor must send in a report as to the status of their patients limitations to social security for review.

Since my disability was approved I have not had any request by SSI to update my disability or health.
Hobby

bats

Quote from: Hobby on Mar 08, 2025, 02:07 PMMy guess is there are many who are approved for full disability have received medical treatment like i did that resolved the disability and they can return to work. 

I believe if the ssa reviews Disability payouts they will find billions in fraud.

All ssa would need to do is require permanent disability patients who undergo surgeries paid by Medicare that the doctor must send in a report as to the status of their patients limitations to social security for review.

Since my disability was approved I have not had any request by SSI to update my disability or health.
You're making a lot of assumptions for a guy who frequently demands that other posters back up their claims with facts. lol

As HS stated, SSA has existing processes for ensuring ongoing eligibility for SSDI.

The reason you haven't had any request to ensure your eligibility since you were first approved is that you weren't far from age 65 when that happened. At age 65, SSDI benefits convert to retirement benefits. Since you don't have to be disabled to receive retirement benefits, you're home free.

Hobby

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Quote from: bats on Mar 08, 2025, 02:35 PMYou're making a lot of assumptions for a guy who frequently demands that other posters back up their claims with facts. lol

As HS stated, SSA has existing processes for ensuring ongoing eligibility for SSDI.

The reason you haven't had any request to ensure your eligibility since you were first approved is that you weren't far from age 65 when that happened. At age 65, SSDI benefits convert to retirement benefits. Since you don't have to be disabled to receive retirement benefits, you're home free.

Yes I know all of that.  And no I am not making any claims assumptions that need facts.  I am questioning big difference but to someone who constantly post misinformation and propaganda would not know the difference.  What you posted was just a recap of what I had already said...

So I suppose you and HS are okay with or don't care if people are frauding ssi for disability they no longer have! I not surprised Democrats don't care about fraud spending. They don't care we have a 36 trillion debt. They don't care millions of illegals poured into our country.  I sure would like to know what they do care about.
Hobby

bats

Quote from: Hobby on Mar 08, 2025, 03:05 PMYes I know all of that.  And no I am not making any claims assumptions that need facts.  I am questioning big difference but to someone who constantly post misinformation and propaganda would not know the difference.  What you posted was just a recap of what I had already said...

So I suppose you and HS are okay with or don't care if people are frauding ssi for disability they no longer have! I not surprised Democrats don't care about fraud spending. They don't care we have a 36 trillion debt. They don't care millions of illegals poured into our country.  I sure would like to know what they do care about.
I give up with you. 

Danno

Getting ssdi is one of the hardest thing get.
They have a list of things that make qualified.
I retired 1 yr earlier than planned.
At 63. Herniated disc made doing my job dangerous.
Tried to get ssdi.
Nope. You need to retrain for different job.
Now my wife had the worst kind of Brain cancer and it is #1 on the list. Approved. But was only 1100/mo.
Be easier to just stop paying the oil companies billion in subsidies.
Stop paying for fighter jets we don't need.
Stop paying for Trumps golf.
Stop letting Musk use air force 1 as his personal plane.
Cancel the 2 new air force 1s that are 8 billion each that Trump ordered.
Restore maning the national parks that make 55 billion and only cost 3.5 billion to run.
Just tap me on the head if I overstay my welcome

HighStepper

Quote from: Hobby on Mar 08, 2025, 03:05 PMSo I suppose you and HS are okay with or don't care if people are frauding ssi for disability they no longer have!
No reasonable person with basic reading comprehension skills could possibly get from what I posted as a not caring about fraud. 
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dogwalker

I know someone that truly is disabled. He gets something like $12K/year to live on....in CA.   Yet SSI hassles him, digs through all his expenses and bank accounts every year seemingly hoping to find a way to catch him breaking some tiny rule so they can cut him off.

Danno

Quote from: dogwalker on Mar 08, 2025, 05:49 PMI know someone that truly is disabled. He gets something like $12K/year to live on....in CA.   Yet SSI hassles him, digs through all his expenses and bank accounts every year seemingly hoping to find a way to catch him breaking some tiny rule so they can cut him off.
And yes they do have show proof every year they are still disabled. One time I had to mail in all my wife's medical records for the year. 160 pages.

They claim there are all these 150 year olds getting ss, but they have no names. hmmmm
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Hobby

Quote from: dogwalker on Mar 08, 2025, 05:49 PMI know someone that truly is disabled. He gets something like $12K/year to live on....in CA.   Yet SSI hassles him, digs through all his expenses and bank accounts every year seemingly hoping to find a way to catch him breaking some tiny rule so they can cut him off.

I know SSA will audit someone like you describe here who having a criminal record.  And I didn't say they never audit. 
Hobby

DoctorTaco

Quote from: Danno on Mar 09, 2025, 07:50 PMAnd yes they do have show proof every year they are still disabled.

This is not true. I've been on SSDI for over 20 years due to a second back surgery that went wrong. This has resulted in other issues, mainly from nerve damage.

I've had to have a doctor sign a form several times that I'm disabled.

In 2023 I had to visit a SSDI doctor. I had to fill out a 10 page questionnaire and mail it back. Then the doctor did a full 40 minute interview and physical.

Every person's benefit is different. It is based on your income the last 3 or 4 years they worked. Yet, every person on SSDI can only make $1,550  per month in 2025, no matter if your monthly benefit is $1K or $3K. To supplement my benefit I've had a part-time job since 2006.
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Danno

Quote from: DoctorTaco on Mar 10, 2025, 09:53 AMThis is not true. I've been on SSDI for over 20 years due to a second back surgery that went wrong. This has resulted in other issues, mainly from nerve damage.

I've had to have a doctor sign a form several times that I'm disabled.

In 2023 I had to visit a SSDI doctor. I had to fill out a 10 page questionnaire and mail it back. Then the doctor did a full 40 minute interview and physical.

Not what our experience was like at all. On SSDI and still working is what shouldn't be allowed

Every person's benefit is different. It is based on your income the last 3 or 4 years they worked. Yet, every person on SSDI can only make $1,550  per month in 2025, no matter if your monthly benefit is $1K or $3K. To supplement my benefit I've had a part-time job since 2006.
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thaikhan

So instead of going after the ones bilking millions, we should first focus on the ones who are bilking 10-40k?  I guess when the one stealing millions are your bosses we should look the other way.

DoctorTaco

Quote from: Danno on Mar 10, 2025, 10:03 AMOn SSDI and still working is what shouldn't be allowed

Per my Google search: While many SSDI beneficiaries cannot work due to their disability, a significant portion do work, and of those who do, a substantial number are employed part-time. In 2023, 29% of disabled workers worked part-time.