Last week Republicans in Sacramento introduced a bill to end the Governors emergency powers which most Democrats voted against.
Putin also has emergency powers in Russia, we have a word for that and it's a called a dictator.
Tell me why he still has emergency powers which basically lets him do whatever he wants.
Old and non-story. He's had them since they were extended in November and oh, look at that, they are due to expire in 7 days...
https://www.ksbw.com/article/gavin-newsom-emergency-powers-resign/38239450
That article is from 11/12/21, the legislature has extended his emergency powers indefinitely.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-15/democratic-lawmakers-block-gop-effort-to-end-california-covid-19-state-of-emergency
"Last year, the California Supreme Court upheld an appeals court ruling that affirmed Newsom's emergency powers." And that would be why he still has them, because the highest court in the state said he should. Kind of hard to claim dictator when the branch of the government that is responsible for determining if something is legal said yes, yes it is...
It still doesn't make it Constitutional and ethical.
Putin also has puppets in the Russian courts that do his bidding for him.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 24, 2022, 04:42 PMIt still doesn't make it Constitutional and ethical.
Putin also has puppets in the Russian courts that do his bidding for him.
So just to be clear, they disagree with you, they are puppets, not that they are doing their jobs and ruling fairly based on the facts? And, what is your criteria for it not being consitutional? And if it isn't, why aren't others in the Federal government coming in and fixing it?
What facts?
You mean the lies the CDC pushed on us to keep us living in fear?
The death rate was <2% and the vast majority were over 65 with four comorbidities(obese, diabetic, heart problems, etc).
THE PANDEMIC IS OVER...
Just because we beat polio doesn't mean people still couldn't get it. Yes, the pandemic is over and we are living in an Endemic world. Except, you know, the virus is still there, mutating, and just because we want to live our lives doesn't mean it won't be killing people: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/23/covid-omicron-bapoint2-subvariant-will-soon-dominate-in-us-but-fauci-doesnt-expect-another-surge.html
The difference in past pandemics is we didn't give elected officials and agencies broad emergency powers.
To be fair I would be saying the same thing if the governor was a Republican, we can't give an elected official broad powers that belong to the legislature.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 24, 2022, 04:52 PMThe difference in past pandemics is we didn't give elected officials and agencies broad emergency powers.
To be fair I would be saying the same thing if the governor was a Republican, we can't give an elected official broad powers that belong to the legislature.
Except, you know, we did:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862334/
"City health departments had the legal power to close schools and quarantine homes when epidemics of diphtheria or polio broke out.10,11 They could screen for and demand special precautions be taken by healthy carriers of typhoid.12 Federal law required the medical inspection and quarantine of ships and immigrants arriving in the big port cities.13 On occasion, city health departments even imposed isolation on specific neighborhoods, as in the 1900 bubonic plague outbreak in San Francisco.14"
https://www.history.com/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance
"The influenza pandemic of 1918 and 1919 was the most deadly flu outbreak in history, killing up to 50 million people worldwide. In the United States, where it ultimately killed around 675,000 people, local governments rolled out initiatives to try to stop its spread. These varied by region, and included closing schools and places of public amusement, enforcing "no-spitting" ordinances, encouraging people to use handkerchiefs or disposable tissues and requiring people to wear masks in public.
Mask-wearing ordinances mainly popped up in the western states, and it appears most people complied with them. The nation was still fighting in World War I, and officials framed anti-flu measures as a way to protect the troops from the deadly outbreak."
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 24, 2022, 04:52 PMThe difference in past pandemics is we didn't give elected officials and agencies broad emergency powers.
To be fair I would be saying the same thing if the governor was a Republican, we can't give an elected official broad powers that belong to the legislature.
Also, you do know that the legislators DID give the governor these powers?
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=GOV&division=1.&title=2.&part=&chapter=7.&article=3.
"8567: (a) The Governor may make, amend, and rescind orders and regulations necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter. The orders and regulations shall have the force and effect of law. Due consideration shall be given to the plans of the federal government in preparing the orders and regulations. The Governor shall cause widespread publicity and notice to be given to all such orders and regulations, or amendments or rescissions thereof."
So I am not quite sure where you got that he was given something the legislature should have instead...
Quote from: Blkfyre on Mar 24, 2022, 05:09 PMAlso, you do know that the legislators DID give the governor these powers?
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=GOV&division=1.&title=2.&part=&chapter=7.&article=3.
"8567: (a) The Governor may make, amend, and rescind orders and regulations necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter. The orders and regulations shall have the force and effect of law. Due consideration shall be given to the plans of the federal government in preparing the orders and regulations. The Governor shall cause widespread publicity and notice to be given to all such orders and regulations, or amendments or rescissions thereof."
So I am not quite sure where you got that he was given something the legislature should have instead...
Yes I do know that and every Republican was against it, since Democrats control the legislature they got what they always wanted... a dictator to tell them how to live their lives.
If the pandemic in the US is over then Nuisance, I mean Useless, oops I mean Newsom emergency powers need to be rescinded by the legislature who granted them. Until then governor's emergency powers will remain indefinitely. Once the pandemic is declared over in the US, Newsom emergency powers will have to end.... We will have to wait to see if this happens. Just the way it is!
PussiCrats do not want to go againt the overzealouse Governor.
Call It PussiCalifornia.
All about control
Just like no rescending the gas tax and give the people $400.. All the stupid people see is $400. Suspend the gas tax one sees much more than that.
NewSkum does not want to give up controls even though there is no EMERGENCY..
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 24, 2022, 04:46 PMTHE PANDEMIC IS OVER...
Two years on, COVID-19 pandemic 'far from over' (https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1113632)
People, Not Science, Decide When a Pandemic Is Over (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-not-science-decide-when-a-pandemic-is-over1/)
So, perhaps it is over for some people, but not so much for others. Where I live can go into the grocery stores without wearing a mask.
However, I take a family member to numerous medical appointments. In medical offices everyone has to wear a mask.
In this country we have access to vaccines and therapeutics. So, if people get sick from Covid there is now less fear of dying from it.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 24, 2022, 05:16 PMYes I do know that and every Republican was against it, since Democrats control the legislature they got what they always wanted... a dictator to tell them how to live their lives.
You didn't actually read that link did you or you'd know that the laws that give the governor emergency powers have been on the books since 1943 so your conservative rhetoric to trash Democrats to fit your agenda is just that, rhetoric. And no, before you say it, California being primarily Democratic only started around 1992, before that, it was primarily a red state, so they could have removed those powers if they wanted to. Which they didn't because, you know THEY MADE THEM...
Quote from: Hobby on Mar 24, 2022, 05:18 PMIf the pandemic in the US is over then Nuisance, I mean Useless, oops I mean Newsom emergency powers need to be rescinded by the legislature who granted them. Until then governor's emergency powers will remain indefinitely. Once the pandemic is declared over in the US, Newsom emergency powers will have to end...We will have to wait to see if this happens. Just the way it is!
The problem isn't with the governor exercising his state constitutionally mandated powers, it's with those who don't like him doing so. Let's start off with your argument that the legislature should do something about it. That was asked for and rejected by the very legislature you say should have the power to remove him, thus saying that their decision to keep him should be just as valid as that to remove his powers: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-15/democratic-lawmakers-block-gop-effort-to-end-california-covid-19-state-of-emergency
And, as stated before, when taken to the state supreme court, you know, that body that constitutionally exists to counterbalance the legislature so they can't become dictators, the state supreme court decided that their arguments didn't have any merit and dismissed them: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Newsom-wins-Supreme-Court-cases-on-his-power-to-16380952.php
So two branches of government have said that the governor has the right to have the powers he does and that the idea they should be removed is not what is good for the people...
And that's why this state us so messed up and the laughing stock of the country. Most blue states and all red states have lifted the mandates, even Bill Maher(a lefty) is criticizing the ridiculous mandates. Either you think giving the Governor broad emergency powers is extreme and unconstitutional or you think it's perfectly fine, I think it's the former.
allows the state to get federal aid
Quote from: Danno on Mar 25, 2022, 08:56 AMallows the state to get federal aid
There's a difference between state of emergency and emergency powers, state of emergency allows the state to get federal aid.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 25, 2022, 07:25 AMAnd that's why this state us so messed up and the laughing stock of the country. Most blue states and all red states have lifted the mandates, even Bill Maher(a lefty) is criticizing the ridiculous mandates. Either you think giving the Governor broad emergency powers is extreme and unconstitutional or you think it's perfectly fine, I think it's the former.
Except it, by definition can NOT be unconstitutional, since the laws giving him the power to were created by the legislature YOU say should be the only ones able to do so, by the political party YOU believe in. And the courts who are there to prevent the laws from being abused stood behind his still having them, again saying that it is not unconstitutional.
Your personally feeling it is wrong, well, that is your right. But you have zero leg to stand on legally or ethically...
Quote from: Blkfyre on Mar 24, 2022, 04:39 PMhttps://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-15/democratic-lawmakers-block-gop-effort-to-end-california-covid-19-state-of-emergency
"Last year, the California Supreme Court upheld an appeals court ruling that affirmed Newsom's emergency powers." And that would be why he still has them, because the highest court in the state said he should. Kind of hard to claim dictator when the branch of the government that is responsible for determining if something is legal said yes, yes it is...
Geez that was last year and this is here and now with an opinion s to revoke Newsome executive powers. The emergency powers is on going and some could view his powers as Dictator.
Quote from: Hobby on Mar 25, 2022, 11:27 AMGeez that was last year and this is here and now with an opinion s to revoke Newsome executive powers. The emergency powers is on going and some could view his powers as Dictator.
Yes, it was last year. But rather than going back to the courts this year to fix it, they instead tried to go through the legislature, implying that they had not gathered anything more to challenge the prior ruling.
And just because it was last year doesn't make the argument any less valid. The last legal challenge to his powers was shut down. That is a valid point to have made.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Mar 25, 2022, 12:16 PMYes, it was last year. But rather than going back to the courts this year to fix it, they instead tried to go through the legislature, implying that they had not gathered anything more to challenge the prior ruling.
And just because it was last year doesn't make the argument any less valid. The last legal challenge to his powers was shut down. That is a valid point to have made.
Might have been a year ago but not today. Covid is on its way out, the emergency seems to have ended, so the question is valid! Why is the legislator continuing to allow Newsom emergency powers?
Quote from: Hobby on Mar 25, 2022, 02:16 PMMight have been a year ago but not today. Covid is on its way out, the emergency seems to have ended, so the question is valid! Why is the legislator continuing to allow Newsom emergency powers?
Then the question becomes why did the GOP try to go through the legislature rather than the courts?
Quote from: Blkfyre on Mar 25, 2022, 02:30 PMThen the question becomes why did the GOP try to go through the legislature rather than the courts?
Because it was the legislature that gave him the emergency powers in the first place, the Supreme Court generally only rules on whether a law is constitutional.
I will say this again, I don't care what party the Governor is, we cannot give one person broad emergency powers indefinitely unless we are at war or under martial law. Since we are NOT at war or under martial law then the legislature needs to remove these emergency powers.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 25, 2022, 02:34 PMBecause it was the legislature that gave him the emergency powers in the first place, the Supreme Court generally only rules on whether a law is constitutional.
I will say this again, I don't care what party the Governor is, we cannot give one person broad emergency powers indefinitely unless we are at war or under martial law. Since we are NOT at war or under martial law then the legislature needs to remove these emergency powers.
Yet again you are showing you didn't read before. The governor is given emergency powers in more situations than war or martial law. The law was created BECAUSE of a pandemic situation so it's perfectly appropriate that he has these powers. Powers given BY THE LEGISLATURE. And the legislature has decided it's ok that he continues to have the power, so they don't need to do anything.
Again, I get it, YOU don't believe he should have the powers. But every reason you come up with removing them other than it's your personal position falls apart as he legally was granted the powers, legally extended the powers and both the legislature and courts support his having them.
I don't care if it's legal, IT'S WRONG AND UNETHICAL!
Would you be saying the same thing if the Governor was a Republican? Be honest...
What if Congress gave emergency powers to Trump when he was President, would you say the same thing? Be honest...
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 25, 2022, 03:09 PMI don't care if it's legal, IT'S WRONG AND UNETHICAL!
Would you be saying the same thing if the Governor was a Republican? Be honest...
What if Congress gave emergency powers to Trump when he was President, would you say the same thing? Be honest...
Yes, because IT'S THE LAW. Unlike you apparently (based on your question about it being a democrat mattering), who judges the worth depending on political party rather than is it legal.
Democrat - Yes I'd say the same thing
Independent - Yes I'd say the same thing
Republican - Yes I'd say the same thing
Quote from: Blkfyre on Mar 25, 2022, 03:30 PMYes, because IT'S THE LAW. Unlike you apparently (based on your question about it being a democrat mattering), who judges the worth depending on political party rather than is it legal.
Democrat - Yes I'd say the same thing
Independent - Yes I'd say the same thing
Republican - Yes I'd say the same thing
Emergency Powers were granted by legislator temporary at best. What Democrats are doing by allowing Newsom to continue with these powers is so that Democrats can push through their agenda without a debate or vote! Why else would Democrat legislator sit on their ass... you really believe if it were Republicans with a Republican Governor the Democrats wouldn't be pushing to get the emergency powers rescinded? Come on you know how the political game is played, the party in power will keep what ever advantage going until the power shifts to the other side.
The COVID emergency declaration allows Newsom to access federal funding and to override state laws while carrying out the state's pandemic response. However, some Republicans say continuing the emergency over a long period of time is unnecessary and gives the governor too much power.
Representatives from the California Hospital Association and California Professional Firefighters both urged the committee to keep the emergency declaration in place, as did the California State Association of Counties, Urban Counties of California and the mayors of Oakland and Los Angeles. Link (https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article259424559.html)
A key question, what specific things is Newsom doing today with the emergency powers that you do not like?
Quote from: HighStepper on Mar 25, 2022, 06:27 PMThe COVID emergency declaration allows Newsom to access federal funding and to override state laws while carrying out the state's pandemic response. However, some Republicans say continuing the emergency over a long period of time is unnecessary and gives the governor too much power.
Representatives from the California Hospital Association and California Professional Firefighters both urged the committee to keep the emergency declaration in place, as did the California State Association of Counties, Urban Counties of California and the mayors of Oakland and Los Angeles. Link (https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article259424559.html)
A key question, what specific things is Newsom doing today with the emergency powers that you do not like?
I agree with the Republican legislators, it's unnecessary and gives the governor too much power. It's the principle of the matter.
As for Oakland and LA, perfect examples of Democrat controlled crime ridden cities. I use to live in LA and got the hell out of there.
I went to College in Los Angeles in the 60's and 70's. I had a lot of fun in LA back then. Too crowed, too much traffic nowadays. I like to VISIT Oakland for the barbeque and Raider's games. And some sweet kinky ladies.
I accept your attitude about those cities. However, what is your take on the hospital associations and the fire associations speaking out against taking away the emergency powers?
Most hospital and firefighter associations are union and we all know what political party they lean towards...yep you guessed it...Democrats.
It's possible they want easy access to funds, don't know and I don't care.
I'm done on this subject, time for a drink and make dinner.