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Title: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: zoezane on Feb 05, 2024, 04:47 PM
As of today, bragging out loud, Trump Magas Republicans are not for America, not for the Constitution.  They do not care about the boarder, Ukraine or this country.  They all want to spew their hate and anger for war.  They support Russia, not the United States of America.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Romanticlover on Feb 05, 2024, 05:50 PM
It's because of this nonsense is how I know Trump will win in November.


Lets take a look at the South Carolina Democrat primary: Biden only got 31,000 people to vote for him, only 25% of the voters showed up
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: HighStepper on Feb 05, 2024, 06:04 PM
Why should they show up in large numbers when the outcome is assured? Also, those that did not vote in the Biden primary can vote in the Trump / Haley primary.

Zoezane hit the nail on the head about Trump and the MAGA Congressional Republican members don't care about solving the border "crisis" or supporting Ukraine. Trump and the Republicans are admitting they want to keep the border as a campaign issue.

A year ago Tucker Carlson advocated on the air that we should support Russia over Ukraine. Trump is a big fan of Putin. So the inescapable reality of not supporting Ukraine funding enhances Putin's war strategies.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: dogwalker on Feb 05, 2024, 06:08 PM
Once again @Romanticlover I'm so glad you can predict the future.
What will I be doing tomorrow at 9 am?...lmfao.

Primaries aren't electing either one of them.
Very likely Biden and Trump will be the nominees.   
What NOONE (except romanticlover) knows  is who is winning the Presidential election.
Once again it appears certain swing states (MI, GA, PA, NV) may play a role in determining that
and once again it may only be by a small number of votes.

Without Rudi, Sidney Powell, and other Trump ass kissers who is going to help Trump cry over his split milk if he loses this time?
Oh that's right there's still plenty of brainwashed losers that would do that.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Romanticlover on Feb 05, 2024, 06:24 PM
I'm not a huge Trump fan, I'm just a smart guy that follows politics, I just call it how I see it.

The low voter turnout is a bad omen for an incumbent President.

Here's the latest NBC poll:


Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: dogwalker on Feb 05, 2024, 06:30 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Feb 05, 2024, 06:24 PMI'm not a huge Trump fan

I'll buy that after I buy a tropical island in the Arctic.

Just note that typically more people take Presidential elections
more seriously then primaries, so I don't see the primary stats as having much signficance.
Yeh Biden is suffering according to polls which are ALWAYS right, right??????????

Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Romanticlover on Feb 05, 2024, 06:36 PM
An approval rating of 37% for Biden, I'd say that's accurate.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: dogwalker on Feb 05, 2024, 06:51 PM
Approval ratings don't determine Presidential elections.  So what.
Who is winning the most Electoral College votes?
......come on bro, if you know..... spill it.!
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: HighStepper on Feb 05, 2024, 07:59 PM
QuoteAn approval rating of 37% for Biden, I'd say that's accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRCwPjF6zWw

Video length 5:10 minutes
President Joe Biden's approval rating hit a new low of 37% in a new NBC News poll. NBC News National Political Correspondent Steve Kornacki analyzes Biden's standing against former President Donald Trump heading into a potential general election matchup.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: dogwalker on Feb 05, 2024, 08:49 PM
Sadly ?.....about 40% is not that abnormal......even for Trump even though he'd falsely claim
    people love me....at least 90%, maybe even 99%.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Hobby on Feb 05, 2024, 09:25 PM
I think independent voters will not support Trump once he is convicted for one of the many crimes he charged with. I won't vote Biden or Trump both are horrible.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: bats on Feb 05, 2024, 09:39 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Feb 05, 2024, 06:24 PMI'm not a huge Trump fan, I'm just a smart guy that follows politics, I just call it how I see it.
I have my doubts about the intelligence of anyone who supports Trump, given his egregious misconduct as president and his maladaptive behavior generally.

I understand that otherwise intelligent people can be fooled, and I believe that has been the case for many people who would rather see Trump elected this time than Biden. Maybe that's you.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: dogwalker on Feb 05, 2024, 09:45 PM
once....2029, given the delays
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Danno on Feb 06, 2024, 11:08 AM
a vote for Trump is a vote for a Felon, guess some are ok with that.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 12:42 PM
A vote for Biden is a vote for a senile warmonger.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: HighStepper on Feb 06, 2024, 01:17 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 12:42 PMA vote for Biden is a vote for a senile warmonger.
If you are concerned about presidential senility, then Trump is certainly not the answer. You can see how Trump has deteriorated. Perhaps he is suffering from "Long Covid" residual from when he had Covid. Or he has gone ding dong from all the stress of his legal entanglements.

Biden is a warmonger that is receiving criticism for not bombing Iran.

Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: dogwalker on Feb 06, 2024, 01:25 PM
Trump is only 3 years younger than Biden.  At ~80 I doubt 3 years makes much difference.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 03:16 PM
They are both old but Biden looks and sounds terrible, probably all those years hitting the bottle.

As for the world at war: why is all this happening while Biden is President?
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: bats on Feb 06, 2024, 04:23 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 03:16 PMAs for the world at war: why is all this happening while Biden is President?
In an earlier post, you proclaimed yourself a smart guy. Yet here you are, repeating Trump's talking points.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 04:36 PM
So what's the answer smart guy?
Is the senile old man so feeble that our enemies are taking advantage of us?

None of the shit going on in the world right now happened when Trump was President.
Remember when Pelosi, Schumer and the MSM said Trump would start WWIII, I do but you Democrats don't.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: bats on Feb 06, 2024, 04:40 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 04:36 PMNone of the shit going on in the world right now happened when Trump was President.
Here's a better question: Why does Putin favor Trump?
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 04:57 PM
Quote from: bats on Feb 06, 2024, 04:40 PMHere's a better question: Why does Putin favor Trump?

I have no idea but riddle me this Batman:
If Trump and Putin are such great buddies then why didn't Putin invade the Ukraine when Trump was President?

Putin invaded the Crimea when Obama and Biden were in the White House and he invaded the Ukraine while Biden is
President.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Danno on Feb 06, 2024, 05:17 PM
well that's pretty obvious
Quote from: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 04:57 PMI have no idea but riddle me this Batman:
If Trump and Putin are such great buddies then why didn't Putin invade the Ukraine when Trump was President?

Putin invaded the Crimea when Obama and Biden were in the White House and he invaded the Ukraine while Biden is
President.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: bats on Feb 06, 2024, 06:37 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 04:57 PMIf Trump and Putin are such great buddies then why didn't Putin invade the Ukraine when Trump was President?

Putin invaded the Crimea when Obama and Biden were in the White House and he invaded the Ukraine while Biden is President.
I don't think they're buddies. I think Putin sees Trump as a useful idiot.

Specifically, with Trump in office, our defense of our European allies was weakened. Putin must have loved that about Trump.

But while Trump was running for re-election in 2020, Putin may have preferred to wait for the result, after which Ukraine wouldn't have gotten the massive military assistance that has been so costly to Putin during the Biden Administration.

After Trump lost, however, Putin may have thought there was no time like the present, especially after Trump created more chaos in America on January 6th.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: HighStepper on Feb 07, 2024, 11:56 AM
The no war presidential prize goes to Jimmy Carter.

Trump massively escalated the country's existing wars in multiple theaters, leading to skyrocketing casualties. In Afghanistan, he substantially upped the amount of airstrikes, leading to a 330 percent increase in civilian deaths. In Yemen, he escalated both U.S. counterterrorism activities and support for the Saudi-led war against the Houthis. According to the United Kingdom's Bureau of Investigative Journalism, there were 2,243 drone strikes in just the first two years of Trump's presidency, compared with 1,878 in the entire eight years of the Obama administration.
Link (https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/18/donald-trump-presidency-anti-imperialist-militarism-war/#cookie_message_anchor)

Trump's ordered the abandonment of the Kurds who fought side by side with American soldiers against Islamic terrorist as a favor to his buddy Erdogan of Turkey. Sends a massage around the world you cannot trust a Trump America to stand with you in a fight. 

The big elephant in the room that is not talked about is that major intelligence agencies around the world do not want to  share intelligence information with the US if Trump is President.  Trump privately shared information with the Russians that pissed off Israel.  Then there is the cavalier treatment of classified information at Mar-a-Lago. American will stand alone in gathering needed intelligence.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: bats on Feb 10, 2024, 09:42 PM
Here's Trump, tonight at some campaign stop, telling the world that if a NATO country were "delinquent" in its payments to NATO, and Russia attacked them, he not only wouldn't provide protection as required but would encourage Russia "to do whatever the hell they want."

The wannabe autocrat/mob-boss emphasized, "You don't pay your bills, you get no protection."

Start at 2:33 if you can't spare five whole minutes.

Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: dogwalker on Feb 10, 2024, 09:55 PM
Once again he seems to act like he is not be bound by law
or in this case legally binding (defense) treaties with multiple countries.

The other thing is the total amount he is talking about is $4B (to operate NATO itself) which is nothing.
He's whining about "pennies" compared to our budget or national debt.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: bats on Feb 10, 2024, 10:33 PM
And he's been beating this drum since at least 1987, as shown by a full-page ad he took out in the New York Times that year.

It's shit like this that gets people wondering whether he's just a useful idiot to Putin, or if it's something more sinister.

Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: dogwalker on Feb 10, 2024, 10:50 PM
Wow.  I thought it was only since about 2020 or 2016.  Well what I have noticed about such people (maybe most people?).....once they get a certain idea in their head that makes sense to them they NEVER let it go, no matter how stupid it is.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: zoezane on Feb 11, 2024, 09:29 AM
Trump just endorsed Putin to war with NATO, if they don't pay.  Trump don't pay.  I will not believe anythiing putin said to tucker, the fired Fox newsman.  Tucker was not accepted by CIA.  He is one mad human not for America.

Magas don't listen to trump, oh I don't know about that idea, maybe you do?  I just don't know anything what the leader says.  I give him money all the time.  I'm in debt but I don't know . . .

Trump is sinister 100%.  He gets nothing he gets no respect.  During the insurrection he was laughing in the bunker.  He did nothing to stop the riot to kill Pelosi and Pence.  America is still in shock what trump did to the United States of America.  Mark my words he's not for America and never will be.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Blkfyre on Feb 11, 2024, 12:34 PM
Links to what Zoe said:

https://ground.news/article/trump-says-he-would-encourage-russia-to-attack-nato-allies-who-do-not-pay-their-bills_c6d09b

Trump's comments indicate that he does not intend to defend NATO allies from Russian attack if he is reelected, raising concerns about American national security and global stability.

So basically Trump plans to turn his back on any allies and have them do the same to us.

And yes, they noticed:

https://ground.news/article/nato-criticises-trump-for-comments-that-put-american-and-european-soldiers-at-risk_92db3d

Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Bande on Feb 12, 2024, 06:17 PM
Quote from: Blkfyre on Feb 11, 2024, 12:34 PMLinks to what Zoe said:

https://ground.news/article/trump-says-he-would-encourage-russia-to-attack-nato-allies-who-do-not-pay-their-bills_c6d09b

Trump's comments indicate that he does not intend to defend NATO allies from Russian attack if he is reelected, raising concerns about American national security and global stability.

So basically Trump plans to turn his back on any allies and have them do the same to us.

And yes, they noticed:

https://ground.news/article/nato-criticises-trump-for-comments-that-put-american-and-european-soldiers-at-risk_92db3d



Maybe one should educate themselves on why Trump made such comments on Nato.
Or maybe you support Hamas?
Why are we putting so much $$$ into Ukraine Borders and letting ours go?
Our Country should be supported before dispensing $$$$ to other Countries.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: bats on Feb 12, 2024, 07:18 PM
Quote from: Bande on Feb 12, 2024, 06:17 PMMaybe one should educate themselves on why Trump made such comments on Nato.
Or maybe you support Hamas?
Why are we putting so much $$$ into Ukraine Borders and letting ours go?
Our Country should be supported before dispensing $$$$ to other Countries.

Trump made the comments about NATO because he doesn't give a shit about the commitments we've made to prevent the aggression of a dictator like Putin.

He also torpedoed a bipartisan bill that included many concessions from Democrats on border security because he didn't want Biden to get any credit for it before the election. So, this crisis at the border that Trump says he cares so much about? He doesn't really care that much about it, now, does he?

Why are you supporting this traitor?
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: HighStepper on Feb 12, 2024, 08:43 PM
Quote from: Bande on Feb 12, 2024, 06:17 PMMaybe one should educate themselves on why Trump made such comments on Nato.
Or maybe you support Hamas?
Why are we putting so much $$$ into Ukraine Borders and letting ours go?
Our Country should be supported before dispensing $$$$ to other Countries.
People need to educate themselves to not drink that Kool-Aid Trump feeds them. Here is a clue, anytime Trump starts a story with "Sir" you know it is bullshit. Trump lied about NATO at his rally show.  Trump pulls the word "delinquent" out of his ass and political shit eaters lick it up. Trump's Distorted NATO 'Delinquent' Comments (https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/trumps-distorted-nato-delinquent-comments/)

"Our Country should be supported before dispensing $$$$ to other Countries."It is not an either or proposition. The US border, Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan funding can be accomplished simultaneously. Trump know this, but lies to his MAGA followers about it.

Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: HighStepper on Feb 12, 2024, 08:49 PM
Quote from: Bande on Feb 12, 2024, 06:17 PM...Or maybe you support Hamas?
https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=15951
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: zoezane on Feb 13, 2024, 11:01 AM
Thanks HighStepper.  It's good to always check the source, the liars are making this election historically high on fake, false, negative news.  Maga liars, it's their brand with stinky orange juice that knows he's losing.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Danno on Feb 13, 2024, 11:29 AM
Trump says the NATO countries need to pay, funny coming from a guy that never pays what is owed to people.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: zoezane on Feb 13, 2024, 01:05 PM
Yeah trump always tells the truth about himself when he attacks those stronger than him.  Watch trump the god of murder confess how he will do it.  All he has left are loud, bully cry baby sounds.  It will be hilarious when ... all he can do is cry.  I'm waiting.  I saw putin cry.  Good.  Magas support a revenging dictator with losing trump.  GO to Russia please.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Danno on Feb 13, 2024, 03:29 PM
Quote from: Bande on Feb 12, 2024, 06:17 PMMaybe one should educate themselves on why Trump made such comments on Nato.
Or maybe you support Hamas?
Why are we putting so much $$$ into Ukraine Borders and letting ours go?
Our Country should be supported before dispensing $$$$ to other Countries.

Mitch McConnell yesterday
"The Russian despot trying to conquer Ukraine also wants to see America weakened. The Chinese autocrat hoping to subjugate Taiwan also wants to consign American leadership to history. The Iranian regime that equips the slaughter of Israeli Jews and a terrorist war on international commerce also wants to shatter our influence in the region and spill American blood in the process. They tell us this by their actions. Pretending not to hear them is not an option. Delaying until the costs in American lives and treasure rise immeasurably is not an option."
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Hobby on Feb 16, 2024, 06:52 PM
Trump and his supporters only support the constitution when it helps them.
Title: Re: Trump Against Border/Ukraine Solutions
Post by: Blkfyre on Feb 18, 2024, 03:31 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Feb 06, 2024, 12:42 PMA vote for Biden is a vote for a senile warmonger.


Former president Donald Trump in a deposition for E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit against him mistook Carroll, who accused him of rape, for his ex-wife Marla Maples.

He repeatedly, even asking if he is sure what he is saying is accurate repeats that E. Jean Carroll was his ex Marla Maples.

But yeah, Biden is the senile one...