Brittney Griner is the WNBA player detained in Russia on charges of narcotics smuggling.
I keep reading that the White House claims she was wrongfully detained [at Moscow airport].
How would they know?
Was ANYONE from the White House in Moscow, looking at what was in her luggage?
Maybe she is innocent. Maybe it's all politics. That's why I posted this topic in the politics forum instead of the basketball forum.
Her being a lesbian won't help her in Russia.
Maybe US citizens should play on American teams?
Perhaps some readers here know what really happened or have an opinion about whether she should be traded.....not for a player on another basketball team.....for a Russian terrorist!
Wow really? they claim she was wrongfully detained? Russia claims she had vape cartridges filled with cannabis oil and it doesn't seem like she's doing much to protest. I think in normal times they would have let her go and do nothing considering the owner of the Russian team she plays on probably would have gotten her off but it seems more like she's a political prisoner due to the war. And the only reason why this is even news is the fact that she's a Professional Basketball player. If it were any other schmuck we'd be screwed.
Yes if the team owner licked Putin's basketBALLS she might be home by now. Bribes rule there.
Should Biden trade himself? She wrote him a nice letter.
Do not travel to Russia Link (https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/russia-travel-advisory.html)
Do not participate in any sports being played in Russian.
I've been to Russia. Was hoping to go again. Not for awhile I guess. Same with China probably.
I read but ignore many of those state department advisories. Some are over done.
Many parts of the US are more unsafe than most [maybe all] countries I've been to.
What's funny/sad is that the female basketball players mostly all get paid more in other countries than in the USA and that is the reason why they go play in other countries.
Average WNBA player is paid $125K/yr in US, up to $500K for best.
The top female players can make $1-1.5M/yr in Russia.
Drugs are bad mmkay.
You need to follow the laws of the country you're visiting mmkay.
OK sure. But was anyone here actually there? Y'all work for Russian airport security?
It sucks for her, she's looking at 5-10 years in prison.
That reminds me, anyone see Midnight Express?
never put your vape in your carry on. stupid
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jul 05, 2022, 12:20 PMIt sucks for her, she's looking at 5-10 years in prison.
That reminds me, anyone see Midnight Express?
Midnight Express is a 1978 prison drama film directed by Alan Parker, produced by David Puttnam and written by Oliver Stone, based on Billy Hayes's 1977. Link (https://www.aznude.com/mrskin/irenemiracle/midnightexpress/midnightexpress-miracle-01-hd.html)
Quote from: Danno on Jul 05, 2022, 12:59 PMnever put your vape in your carry on. stupid
Don't carry your vape (or anything legal) period.
She wrote a letter to the President which in part [paraphrased] reads:
Dear Biddy,
I really miss dunking my wife's pussy. If you get me out of prison I promise to vote for you every day and I'll NEVER pack drugs in my luggage again.
Love B. Grinder
The entirety of the handwritten letter to Biden was being kept private. Excerpts: (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/05/brittney-griner-letter-joe-biden)
"I'm terrified I might be here forever. I realize you are dealing with so much, but please don't forget about me and the other American Detainees. Please do all you can to bring us home."
"On the 4th of July, our family normally honors the service of those men who fought for our freedom, including my father who is a Vietnam War Veteran," "It hurts thinking about how I usually celebrate this day because freedom means something completely different to me this year."
"I voted for the first time in 2020 and I voted for you," "I believe in you. I still have so much good to do with my freedom that you can help restore. I miss my wife! I miss my family! I miss my teammates! It kills me to know they are suffering so much right now. I am grateful for whatever you can do at this moment to get me home."
So now she loves her country and is patriotic:
https://www.outsports.com/2020/7/29/21346824/brittney-griner-national-anthem-breonna-taylor-police-brutality-protest-wnba
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jul 05, 2022, 08:39 PMSo now she loves her country and is patriotic:
https://www.outsports.com/2020/7/29/21346824/brittney-griner-national-anthem-breonna-taylor-police-brutality-protest-wnba
It's interesting that some people apparently believe that making a statement for a cause one believes in is unpatriotic.
She probably would have done better to have written Hunter Biden....LOL
Quote from: bats on Jul 05, 2022, 09:02 PMIt's interesting that some people apparently believe that making a statement for a cause one believes in is unpatriotic.
Unfortunately, that is oh so familiar...
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/biden-reassures-brittney-griner-wife-russia
She plead guilty. Hmmmm maybe the person that actually was there would know what happened?
Quote from: bats on Jul 05, 2022, 09:02 PMIt's interesting that some people apparently believe that making a statement for a cause one believes in is unpatriotic.
Making a statement is unpatriotic, Now, making a opinion is not....
She said she accidently packed her drugs because she was in a hurry.
Sorry BG, but excuses do not absolve guilt.
Quote from: Bande on Jul 07, 2022, 02:43 PMMaking a statement is unpatriotic, Now, making a opinion is not....
Huh?
The narrative by the U.S. government claiming Brittney Griner to be wrongfully detained by the Russian government did not help in my opinion. In Arizona marijuana is legal for recreational-use. NOT in Russia.
People trying to negotiate her release got a clear message that there would be no chance for these discussions until after the court trial process. Pleading guilty and pleading for mercy was her only option that was left. Perhaps she can convince the court she had not intent to distribute.
Yeh I gotta a problem with the "wrongfully detained" statements myself. For the 64th time [see above] were those assholes there in Russia when her suitcase was searched? Obviously no. They don't know shit about shit.
On a separate note more than once some women I'd characterize as ultra feminist bitches have made statements along the lines of "well if she wasn't paid so poorly in the US she would not have to work in Russia.....and accidently pack drugs in her luggage" OMG.....yes she's not paid as much as Steph Curry [I wonder why] BUT she can't live on $220K/yr? Lame as fuck justifications.
She was sentenced to 9 years (1 year less than the maximum) in a Russian "penal camp" today.
It's Russian political bullshit she got caught in... probably would have done better to have written a letter to Trump asking him to call his pal and let her come home...
As long as Trump's buddy Putin remains the brutal fascist dictator of Russia I see zero reason for any private US Citizen to go there. At the same time to put things in perspective, if you have possession priors from any state in the union, you can still get 3 years in federal prison for smoking a joint in Yosemite. And if you sell someone a joint you can get 5 years. Some of our federal drug laws are pretty fucked up as well.
I went to Russia in 2015. It was interesting to see what the situation there is first hand.
However I'm not that excited about going there now.
Don't do drugs kids...especially in other countries.
Ok, I am way behind the curve on this topic...Though I have followed it on Yahoo. My first and still now...question..WHY THE FUCK would anyone go to Russia???
Quote from: dogwalker on Jul 08, 2022, 12:04 AMYeh I gotta a problem with the "wrongfully detained" statements myself. For the 64th time [see above] were those assholes there in Russia when her suitcase was searched? Obviously no. They don't know shit about shit.
A little reading often helps. Here's what a New York Times story reported back in May about wrongful detainment:
A law passed by Congress in 2020 established 11 criteria for such a designation, any one of which can be a sufficient basis to secure the detainee's release, including "credible information indicating innocence of the detained individual," "credible reports that the detention is a pretext for an illegitimate purpose," or a conclusion that U.S. "diplomatic engagement is likely necessary."
The story goes on to say that a designation of wrongful detainment must be approved by the Secretary of State personally, although as of the date of the story the department hadn't specified which of the 11 criteria the designation is based on.
Needless to say, nobody from the state department had to have been there, and it seems much more likely that we who are commenting, not the state department, are the ones who don't know shit about shit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/sports/basketball/brittney-griner-detained-wnba.html
A Russian court upheld her nine year sentence, her family can't easily visit her and that sucks.
https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/34874779/russian-court-rejects-brittney-griner-appeal-9-year-sentence
Not looking very good for her. If she ends up being in prison that long that's probably also the end of her basketball career.....
Even at this point those high level athletes need frequent work outs and conditioning or they lose their abilities fast.
Before the Russian negotiators said before doing a prisoner exchange she had to go through all the court processes.
So, now that her sentence is set and appeals over with, they might start the prisoner exchange process.
Putin is holding her hostage, several officials said he's waiting to see what happens in the mid-terms but I'll bet he waits until 2024. Putin doesn't care about international laws.
'Several officials have said in recent weeks that they believe Russia will not engage seriously in negotiations until after the U.S. midterm elections Nov. 8, not wanting to give the Biden administration a political victory.'
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 25, 2022, 06:22 PM'Several officials have said in recent weeks that they believe Russia will not engage seriously in negotiations until after the U.S. midterm elections Nov. 8, not wanting to give the Biden administration a political victory.'
He doesn't want to help Biden because he knows the Republicans are the ones pushing the United States toward authoritarianism. A strong U.S. democracy is bad for the world's autocrats.
Quote from: bats on Oct 25, 2022, 09:05 PMHe doesn't want to help Biden because he knows the Republicans are the ones pushing the United States toward authoritarianism. A strong U.S. democracy is bad for the world's autocrats.
LMAO
He doesn't help ChinaBiden because Biden is weak and a PUSSY.
You are so delirious.. One day maybe see the Light. Seems like you would of by now with most Demoncrats wanting nothing to do with ChinaBiden, along with how he has driven OUR Country to SHIT..
Quote from: Bande on Oct 25, 2022, 09:40 PMLMAO
He doesn't help ChinaBiden because Biden is weak and a PUSSY.
Biden has mended some of the fractures in our alliances with NATO countries caused by Putin's useful idiot, Donald Trump. When those alliances are stronger, obviously, the West can better fend off violent bullies like Putin.
Biden is also leading the charge in providing massive military aid to Ukraine as it fights to defeat Putin.
Meanwhile, some anti-democracy Republicans are now talking about reeling in aid to Ukraine if they get control of congress in next month's elections.
Maybe you should try consuming information from sources other than the YouTube idiots looking to sell you gold coins while you'll listen to their bullshit.
Biden- had al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahri killed.
Trump- Kisses Putin and Kim Jong-un asses.
Quote from: Danno on Oct 26, 2022, 10:13 AMBiden- had al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahri killed.
Trump- Kisses Putin and Kim Jong-un asses.
Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killed under Trump's watch.
He wrote me beautiful letters and we fell in love': Donald Trump on Kim Jong-un
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV6mVmAVQU4
Quote from: Danno on Oct 26, 2022, 10:13 AMBiden- had al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahri killed.
Trump- Kisses Putin and Kim Jong-un asses.
1 Role of a President is what? To work on maintain Peace with being stern at the same time.
The people you speak of gave no backlash to Trump.
The world laughs at the current circus Administration we have.
Along with not taking ChinaBiden seriously. Hell, before you know it we will be in a war and lose due to all our emergency reserve and sources being depleted in 2 years... The war will start with others because we all know ChinaBiden is a PUSSY.
Bone Spur Trump was to scared to go to war. 5 draft deferments. Whose the Pussy?
Quote from: Bande on Oct 26, 2022, 12:41 PM1 Role of a President is what? To work on maintain Peace with being stern at the same time.
The people you speak of gave no backlash to Trump.
The world laughs at the current circus Administration we have.
Along with not taking ChinaBiden seriously. Hell, before you know it we will be in a war and lose due to all our emergency reserve and sources being depleted in 2 years... The war will start with others because we all know ChinaBiden is a PUSSY.
So, if I get what you are saying, the role of the president is to keep the peace, so you excuse Trump from worshipping at the feet of someone who has admitted they are tampering in our politics and who is even now taking over a country and killing off who knows how many civlians.
But PRESIDENT Biden, who ACCORDING TO YOU HAS THE ROLE of working with China to keep the peace by making political and financial deals is an abomination and corruption of all that is American?
Do you actually read what you are writing?
Quote from: Blkfyre on Oct 26, 2022, 03:59 PMSo, if I get what you are saying, the role of the president is to keep the peace, so you excuse Trump from worshipping at the feet of someone who has admitted they are tampering in our politics and who is even now taking over a country and killing off who knows how many civlians.
But PRESIDENT Biden, who ACCORDING TO YOU HAS THE ROLE of working with China to keep the peace by making political and financial deals is an abomination and corruption of all that is American?
Do you actually read what you are writing?
Sometimes you have to kill them (figuratively) with sugar to get to the Issues. Trump made no deals that I recall of (Financially lining his pockets).
ChinaBiden is making back handed deals for his personal benefit not for the people. Biden comes axross to the World as a Pussy..
Quote from: Bande on Oct 26, 2022, 04:08 PMSometimes you have to kill them (figuratively) with sugar to get to the Issues. Trump made no deals that I recall of (Financially lining his pockets).
ChinaBiden is making back handed deals for his personal benefit not for the people. Biden comes axross to the World as a Pussy..
So, you say you don't know of any deals Trump made, forgetting of course that Trump MANDATED all government travel be at Trump properties, charging them exorbitant rates to do so https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2022-10-17/trump-charged-secret-service-exorbitant-rates-to-stay-at-his-properties
Or requiring foreign dignitaries to do so:
https://time.com/donald-trumps-suite-of-power/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/reps-22-foreign-governments-have-spent-money-trump-properties-n1015806
Next, you say Biden is lining his pockets. Could you link to the evidence of him doing so?
Lastly, you keep saying "ChinaBiden" and have said Biden is lining his pockets on China, but, you know, Trump did as well right? https://www.americanprogress.org/article/trumps-conflicts-interest-china/
Here is the danger of Trump's conflicts of interest for the United States. Prior to taking office, on December 2, 2016, Trump spoke with Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen on the phone in an extraordinary breach of decades of U.S. foreign policy and protocol regarding China and Taiwan. Shortly after the call, it emerged that the Trump Organization was reportedly exploring the expansion of its business into Taiwan, reports that the organization has denied. In a televised interview, the mayor of Taoyuan, Taiwan, said that he had met with a representative of the Trump Organization in September to discuss possible real estate projects, and at least one Trump employee was found to have posted that she was in Taiwan on a business trip at the time.
As summarized in an Atlantic article, "The president of the United States breached decades of international protocol created to preserve a precarious balance of power. That decision raised not only the possibility that Trump was blundering into a potential international incident but also that he may have done so in part out of consideration for his business prospects."
And then, lo and behold, China's approval of one of Trump's trademark applications became official—coincidentally only a few days after Trump reversed his previous position and endorsed the "one China" policy. This policy effectively recognizes the People's Republic of China as the legitimate government of the mainland territory while allowing the U.S. government to have unofficial relations with Taiwan, governed by the Republic of China. In March 2017, China granted preliminary approval for 38 additional Trump trademarks, applications for which had been submitted in April 2016. While there are conflicting views about whether the process and timing of Trump's recent trademark approvals are suspect, the reality of the matter is that in China, every administrative or judicial decision is a political one based on the government's preferences and priorities; courts in China are not independent, but rather they report directly to the CPC. Also of note here is the fact that foreign companies have historically struggled to get equal treatment under Chinese law, so decisions in favor of a foreign company are striking. It is hard to avoid the appearance that China was giving Trump the trademarks in exchange for a direct shift in policy. As another Atlantic article points out: "Each subsequent ruling in his favor will serve to remind Trump of the personal profits he could reap by improving his own personal relations with China, even if doing so leaves the American people worse off."
So, what does that make Trump?
She got traded for Viktor Bout the Russian arms dealer so she's home now.
W
Quote from: dogwalker on Dec 08, 2022, 11:32 AMShe got traded for Viktor Bout the Russian arms dealer so she's home now.
What a disgrace. A poor trade. A arms dealer for a screw ball. Paul Whelan should of been included with this or just he himself. Arms dealer made out like a bandit.
Arms dealer known as merchant of death.
Britney hates America.
Paul Whelan served America..
This was a poor trade...
Quote from: Bande on Dec 08, 2022, 07:12 PMBritney hates America.
Because she had the temerity to exercise her freedom of speech in a way that didn't meet with your approval?
Quote from: Bande on Dec 08, 2022, 07:12 PMWWhat a disgrace. A poor trade. A arms dealer for a screw ball. Paul Whelan should of been included with this or just he himself. Arms dealer made out like a bandit.
Arms dealer known as merchant of death.
Britney hates America.
Paul Whelan served America..
This was a poor trade...
Yup, he served America, and then was DISHONERABLY DISCHARGED: https://www.reuters.com/world/paul-whelan-ex-us-marine-jailed-russia-spying-charges-2022-12-08/
"Whelan served with the Marine Corps Reserve from 2003-2008, much of the time as an administrative clerk in Iraq. At the end of that period, he was dishonourably discharged for larceny and other lesser offences, after being found to have tried to steal $10,000."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60701050
"She's arguably the greatest female basketball player of all time"
Arrested for having a VAPE cartridge.
Please, explain how she is a screw ball and why you say she hates America, and why you think a dishonorably discharged THIEF should have been returned instead of her...
Trump freed 5,000 Taliban Terrorists. Feels like a good time to remind everybody of that.
Quote from: Danno on Dec 09, 2022, 08:56 AMTrump freed 5,000 Taliban Terrorists. Feels like a good time to remind everybody of that.
But, but, but, that was different. It was not one notorious evil man.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
How much publicity and how widespread is the letter writing and social media pushing for release.
Marc Fogel, a history teacher from Pittsburgh who taught the children of U.S. diplomats abroad, was detained in Moscow in August 2021. He had with him a small amount of medical marijuana prescribed by his doctor that he used for chronic back pain. In June, Fogel, 61, was sentenced to 14 years at a labor camp. The federal government has not designated Fogel as wrongfully detained. Most here never heard of him.
Britney Griner essentially the same offense as Mark Fogel. Yet, The U.S. government declared her as being "wrongfully detained" by the Russian government. Some resent Griner's National Anthem protests after the Breonna Taylor incident and the Black Lives Matter movement.
Paul Whelan served with the Marine Corps Reserve from 2003-2008, much of the time as an administrative clerk in Iraq. At the end of that period, he was dishonorably discharged for larceny and other lesser offences, after being found to have tried to steal $10,000.
Trevor Reed, 30-year-old US Marine, sentenced to 9 years in prison after he got drunk and allegedly grabbed the arm of an officer as he was being taken to a station, causing the vehicle to swerve and endangering the lives of officers. A prisoner exchange with Russia that saw President Joe Biden commute the sentence of Konstantin Yaroshenko, a convicted Russian drug trafficker.
Negotiations often come down to who is will to walk away from a deal. The Russians were willing to walk away from Viktor Bout being released. So, that is how it came down to a one prisoner for one prisoner, take it or leave it.
Quote from: Bande on Dec 08, 2022, 07:12 PMWWhat a disgrace. A poor trade. A arms dealer for a screw ball. Paul Whelan should of been included with this or just he himself. Arms dealer made out like a bandit.
Arms dealer known as merchant of death.
Britney hates America.
Paul Whelan served America..
This was a poor trade...
Hmm. It appears conservatives have a short memory https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/paul-whelan-viktor-bout-trump-prisoner-swap-b2242240.html
"Former National Security Adviser John Bolton has revealed that Donald Trump turned down the chance to secure Paul Whelan's release two years ago – despite the former president claiming to be outraged over the Biden administration's deal which freed Brittney Griner but left the US marine in Russian custody.
Mr Bolton, who was the national security adviser under Mr Trump for 17 months from 2018 to 2019, told CBS that the Trump administration had the opportunity to trade Mr Whelan for convicted arms dealer Viktor Bout in 2018.
Politics aside, I'm glad Britney is coming home.
Viktor Bout will probably end up in a Russian prison or be sent to the front lines.
Many have Trump stuck up your ASS. This situation has nothing to do with TRUMP.
Far as I'm concerned it is a DISGRACE and not a good trade to trade a Arms dealer against Griner.
The way many of you talk against a person that served our Country with your issues you have no problem with a convicted druggie being traded.. You Need to look at yourselves and think what the hell you are saying.. They both apparently had issues and I still say the person that served OUR Country should of been traded before any DRUGGIE.. And yes, Federally it is still ILLEGAL..
Blkfyre you need to really look at yourself. I have blatantly stated I post shit to get at peoples goats, therefore I will be all over the board. Instigates discussions even though many out here are so jaded to see everything and stuck on their ways.
I vote for what is best for the people and not by what the party suggests unlike many.
Quote from: Bande on Dec 10, 2022, 07:37 PMI have blatantly stated I post shit to get at peoples goats, therefore I will be all over the board. Instigates discussions even though many out here are so jaded to see everything and stuck on their ways.
I vote for what is best for the people and not by what the party suggests unlike many.
Who knew that the only person in the world who is completely free of bias is right here in our midst? What were the odds? It's as if Jesus Christ himself has graced us with his presence!
Quote from: Bande on Dec 10, 2022, 07:37 PMThey both apparently had issues and I still say the person that served OUR Country should of been traded before any DRUGGIE..
Druggie implies a drug addict that uses drugs to the point that their life is unmanageable. Britney Griner doesn't fit the profile.
Being dishonorably discharged for stealing money doesn't get you a "thank you for your service."
Like I said before The squeaky wheel gets the grease (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=10360)
Comparing circumstances and situation should Marc Fogel been traded before Griner?
Yes. We need teachers more than basketball players.
Quote from: Bande on Dec 10, 2022, 07:37 PMMany have Trump stuck up your ASS. This situation has nothing to do with TRUMP.
Far as I'm concerned it is a DISGRACE and not a good trade to trade a Arms dealer against Griner.
The way many of you talk against a person that served our Country with your issues you have no problem with a convicted druggie being traded.. You Need to look at yourselves and think what the hell you are saying.. They both apparently had issues and I still say the person that served OUR Country should of been traded before any DRUGGIE.. And yes, Federally it is still ILLEGAL..
Blkfyre you need to really look at yourself. I have blatantly stated I post shit to get at peoples goats, therefore I will be all over the board. Instigates discussions even though many out here are so jaded to see everything and stuck on their ways.
I vote for what is best for the people and not by what the party suggests unlike many.
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Quote from: Bande on Dec 10, 2022, 07:37 PMMany have Trump stuck up your ASS. This situation has nothing to do with TRUMP.
Far as I'm concerned it is a DISGRACE and not a good trade to trade a Arms dealer against Griner.
The way many of you talk against a person that served our Country with your issues you have no problem with a convicted druggie being traded.. You Need to look at yourselves and think what the hell you are saying.. They both apparently had issues and I still say the person that served OUR Country should of been traded before any DRUGGIE.. And yes, Federally it is still ILLEGAL..
Blkfyre you need to really look at yourself. I have blatantly stated I post shit to get at peoples goats, therefore I will be all over the board. Instigates discussions even though many out here are so jaded to see everything and stuck on their ways.
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Quote from: Bande on Dec 10, 2022, 07:37 PMMany have Trump stuck up your ASS. This situation has nothing to do with TRUMP.
I agree. Too bad Trump doesn't agree and STFU.
Quote from: Bande on Dec 23, 2022, 10:35 PM
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So as usual, there is a grain of truth in the lies the YouTube heads spun. Here is the article they ultimately got their "facts" from: https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/35281960/how-brittney-griner-baylor-city-waco-coming-terms
It is a long read, filled with praise of Griner, but that's something they don't want you to know of course.
The interesting part they don't want you to know is:
"BRITTNEY GRINER'S HOMECOMING was celebrated Monday night in front of 20 people at University Baptist Church in Waco.
Baylor is on winter break, and a few of the people who were supposed to attend were sick. The church livestreamed the event."
So, the majority of people at the college were NOT THERE DUE TO THE BREAK. But that doesn't fit the narrative of people not liking her return so of course wasn't mentioned...
Well that's journalism. When they are not outright telling lies they are misleading or only telling part of a story to fit their narrative even though journalism is supposed to be unbiased (little is these days). The was a news show on CNBC which is now cancelled (News with Shepard Smith) that claimed to be the truth, unbiased. That was BS, BS, and more BS because what the anchor did was use tones in his voice and certain facial expressions to indicate what he thought of a supposedly "unbiased" story.
One of my favorite headlines during COVID was "nurse dies after getting COVID vaccine." The headline was true. However it misleads people into thinking she died because of the vaccine. She died of a heart attack and given how common heart attacks are yes someone coincidentally could die from a heart attack after getting a vaccine.