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Title: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Blkfyre on Jan 26, 2024, 02:58 PM
https://www.rawstory.com/jury-decision-trump-trial/

Jurors awarded the author and columnist $7.3 million for compensatory damages, $11 million to restore her reputation, and $65 million in punitive damages for defamatory statements Trump made against Carroll while serving as president after she accused him of raping her decades ago in a Manhattan department store dressing room. The total amount is $83.3 million,

CNN called it a "significant victory" for the defamed columnist.


Of course, Trump pulled his usual "witch hunt" excuse/tantrum:

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-ridiculous-damages-verdict/

"I fully disagree with both verdicts, and will be appealing this whole Biden Directed Witch Hunt focused on me and the Republican Party," Trump wrote on Friday. "Our Legal System is out of control, and being used as a Political Weapon. They have taken away all First Amendment Rights. THIS IS NOT AMERICA!"
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 26, 2024, 03:16 PM
Quote from: Blkfyre on Jan 26, 2024, 02:58 PMJurors awarded the author and columnist $7.3 million for compensatory damages, $11 million to restore her reputation

What reputation, as a gold digging liar?

This award will be overturned on appeal.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 26, 2024, 04:13 PM
If she was raped then why didn't she file a police report?
Why aren't there any eye-witnesses or security footage of this alleged rape?

Every defendant has a right to defend themselves against allegations, the burden of proof lies with the plaintiff.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 26, 2024, 04:36 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 26, 2024, 04:13 PMIf she was raped then why didn't she file a police report?
Why aren't there any eye-witnesses or security footage of this alleged rape?

Every defendant has a right to defend themselves against allegations, the burden of proof lies with the plaintiff.
You're right. Trump did have a right to defend himself. He just wasn't able to do it very well.

As for not filing a police report, are you serious? How well do you think it usually goes for women who go to the police after they've been sexually assaulted?

Remember, too, this award wasn't even about sexual assault. That had already been determined by another jury. This award was about Trump's repeated defaming of his victim.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 26, 2024, 04:57 PM
I've seen photos of this woman and she's not good looking, Trump was dating supermodels back in the 90's.
Why would he rape someone in a dressing room in a high-end department store.

Come on man, the whole thing is ridiculous.



Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 26, 2024, 05:09 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 26, 2024, 04:57 PMI've seen photos of this woman and she's not good looking, Trump was dating supermodels back in the 90's.
Why would he rape someone in a dressing room in a high-end department store.

Come on man, the whole thing is ridiculous.
How out of touch can one guy be in the same thread? A sociopath like Trump assaults a woman for the adrenaline rush of power, not because he thinks she's hot. (Though, to be fair, she's 80 now, and this was decades ago.)
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: zoezane on Jan 26, 2024, 05:19 PM
ha ha ha, the rapist Big Defame Mouth of Trump pays up for grab them by the pussy.  Trump gets highly charged raping women and teenagers.  Trump-Epstein-Ghislaine all rapist predators, he never saw E. Jean Carrolls beauty (poor excuse), he only saw a hole to hurt deeply.  It's his right to do so because I can do anything I want to anybody.  I will hurt my magas is they don't kiss my ass like Hitler.  Magas live in a lot of fear of their evil cult leader.

Trump is the political witch hunter.  I watched a video on Trump diapers that are changed 3 times a day.  I wonder how many magas would change his diapers for him because they love him.  I wonder?  ha ha ha
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Hobby on Jan 26, 2024, 06:17 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 26, 2024, 04:13 PMIf she was raped then why didn't she file a police report?
Why aren't there any eye-witnesses or security footage of this alleged rape?

Every defendant has a right to defend themselves against allegations, the burden of proof lies with the plaintiff.

Case is not about rape, it's about what Trump said publicly about her. Then after he is sued and lost shoots his mouth off again.  Trump doesn't care what he says.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: zoezane on Jan 27, 2024, 09:20 AM
Every woman has the right to defend herself against rapists (men don't like powerful women).  Reason why it don't stick, the male collective made the rules to place women in slavery to their dicks.  I don't see many men who have been raped stand up to the law.  Men won't do that since they can't be weak.  I'm looking for the words by evil orange mouth, I was raped, I'm a victim of sexual abuse.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Hobby on Jan 27, 2024, 02:39 PM
She will pass away before seeing a dime from Trump.  He will keep it tied up in court for years costing taxpayers money for appeals courts to review.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 27, 2024, 04:05 PM
Quote from: Hobby on Jan 27, 2024, 02:39 PMShe will pass away before seeing a dime from Trump.  He will keep it tied up in court for years costing taxpayers money for appeals courts to review.
He'll probably be dead, too. But at some point down the line, his estate will have to pay her estate.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: zoezane on Jan 27, 2024, 06:47 PM
Donald Trump mistakes photo of E Jean Carroll for Marla Maples in a sworn video deposition. So much for her "not being his type or not good looking Carroll".  He's losing his mind and dragging his left leg.  This guy is going down, his health is really wasted like his mind. 
and the economy is getting better.............. S&P is way up and inflation is going down.

The deed to Mar a Largo is now E. Carroll, too funny.  Trump has never done a honest thing in his life.  He's the most vile human on the planet, he's going down.  Magas better prepare themselves 4 biggest let down.

Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Danno on Jan 28, 2024, 08:24 AM
Quote from: Hobby on Jan 27, 2024, 02:39 PMShe will pass away before seeing a dime from Trump.  He will keep it tied up in court for years costing taxpayers money for appeals courts to review.
Trump has to pay the court now and they hold the money until after appeal. He already paid the 5 million.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: HighStepper on Jan 28, 2024, 12:04 PM
A jury after a court trial found Trump guilty of putting his fingers into E. Jean Carroll's vagina against her will. If a man did that to my mother, wife, daughter I would want to kill him. I guess MAGA men are not that protective of their women.

As to type, Zoezane's post (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=16928) pointed out that Trump misidentified, in a deposition, E. Jean Carroll as he ex wife Marla Maples. Trump's type is vulnerable women.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 28, 2024, 12:18 PM
I guess Democrats aren't protective of their women either, ever heard of Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein?
They both were huge Democrat donors.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 28, 2024, 12:23 PM
Lets not forget Anthony "likes to show his" Weiner(D-NY) who served time in prison, his wife was Hillary's advisor.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: HighStepper on Jan 28, 2024, 12:35 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 28, 2024, 12:18 PMI guess Democrats aren't protective of their women either, ever heard of Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein?
They both were huge Democrat donors.
Oh HELL no. by no stretch of the imagination is there an equivalency here. There is a big difference between individual creeps that donate money and a whole group of devotees that support a criminal that should be on the registry of sex offenders.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 28, 2024, 12:23 PMLets not forget Anthony "likes to show his" Weiner(D-NY) who served time in prison, his wife was Hillary's advisor.
Yup, right where he should be. And there is no political party supporting and defending him.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 28, 2024, 12:50 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 28, 2024, 12:18 PMI guess Democrats aren't protective of their women either, ever heard of Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein?
They both were huge Democrat donors.
This has to be one of the lamest "whataboutisms" in history.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 28, 2024, 12:51 PM
One more example and I'm done with this thread, this one is from the king of infidelity and being inappropriate:
Bill Clinton seduced his young intern and got a BJ in the oval office, that's real class.

Of course she didn't get a dollar for that because it's expected from Democrats.

Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: HighStepper on Jan 28, 2024, 01:48 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 28, 2024, 12:51 PMOne more example and I'm done with this thread, this one is from the king of infidelity and being inappropriate:
Bill Clinton seduced his young intern and got a BJ in the oval office, that's real class.

Of course she didn't get a dollar for that because it's expected from Democrats.
Monica Lewinsky described their relationship as "consensual" yet I would agree that it was inappropriate. Clinton was not like Trump, a "grab them by the pussy" creep that sexually assaults a woman my jamming his fingers in her vagina. 
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Danno on Jan 28, 2024, 09:28 PM
you know Monica went after Bill
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Blkfyre on Jan 29, 2024, 02:12 PM
Quote from: Hobby on Jan 27, 2024, 02:39 PMShe will pass away before seeing a dime from Trump.  He will keep it tied up in court for years costing taxpayers money for appeals courts to review.

He'll still be out a pretty significant something until the appeal:

Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Bande on Jan 29, 2024, 03:42 PM
Quote from: HighStepper on Jan 28, 2024, 01:48 PMnot like Trump, a "grab them by the pussy" creep that sexually assaults a woman my jamming his fingers in her vagina.

From a person that has no evidence nor remembers much about her accusations along with not remembering dates
Not to mention the lawsuit was not brought forward until some funded the lawsuits.
The white dress she brought as evidence was not even made during the so called Rape..
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: zoezane on Jan 29, 2024, 04:15 PM
This is not about political parties but men who are predators that look for vulnerable females.  I will not say his name every again.  I will say this, the orange that loves to grab them (he can't even say women) by the pussy.  E. Jean Carroll is 80 years old and looks great.  I wonder how many men will look that good at 80?  Hum?  I'll be the judge of that.  She's an American Hero to stop the great Nazi Orange that loves China, No. Korea and Russia.  The orange is a weak person that gets his strength from communist dictators that have zero for anything but themselves.  No respect his own daughter, Ivanka.  If anyone is ugly it was Ivanka before her facelifts etc.

What gets me, the orange daddy grabs "Ivanka" by the butt and she laughs.  She does not push him away.  Any underage molested child would run away, they would hate the orange.  U KNOW WHO orange screams fear, threatens, bullies that raped his first wife.  He smells like shit.  So appealin' for a pussy.  So go ahead and support stinky, diaper orange face.  Disgusting.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Blkfyre on Jan 29, 2024, 09:04 PM
Quote from: Bande on Jan 29, 2024, 03:42 PMFrom a person that has no evidence nor remembers much about her accusations along with not remembering dates
Not to mention the lawsuit was not brought forward until some funded the lawsuits.
The white dress she brought as evidence was not even made during the so called Rape..


A jury of his peers disagreed
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 29, 2024, 09:32 PM
Quote from: Bande on Jan 29, 2024, 03:42 PMFrom a person that has no evidence nor remembers much about her accusations along with not remembering dates
Not to mention the lawsuit was not brought forward until some funded the lawsuits.
The white dress she brought as evidence was not even made during the so called Rape..

She provided quite a bit of detail, not that Trumpers would know or care to know.

Her first suit was filed before there was any outside funding.

I don't know what you're trying to say about the dress, but I'd wager that whatever it is, you've got that wrong, too.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: HighStepper on Jan 29, 2024, 09:56 PM
Quote from: bats on Jan 29, 2024, 09:32 PM...I don't know what you're trying to say about the dress, but I'd wager that whatever it is, you've got that wrong, too.
You would win that bet.

The black dress (not a white dress) was not the only evidence put before the jury that found Trump to be guilty. The 83 million dollars we are discussing is because Trump could not keep his mouth shut, keeping up his defamatory behavior after he lost the Previous 5 million dollar defamation suit.  The rape has already been adjudicated and not a part of this trial, yet Trump and his lawyer kept trying to relitigate the issue in the current case.

At the time of sexual assault in 1996, E. Jean Carroll was a famous columnist and author. She was more well known than Donald Trump. She had celebrity status. At that time Trump was not a celebrity. Later, 2019 in a book she wrote there was mention of Trump assaulting her. Trump went ballistic. Trump precipitated the law suit.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: dogwalker on Jan 29, 2024, 10:02 PM
The jury spoke and that's how our system works.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 05:23 AM
Quote from: HighStepper on Jan 29, 2024, 09:56 PMAt the time of sexual assault in 1996, E. Jean Carroll was a famous columnist and author. She was more well known than Donald Trump. She had celebrity status. At that time Trump was not a celebrity. Later, 2019 in a book she wrote there was mention of Trump assaulting her. Trump went ballistic. Trump precipitated the law suit.



Where do you people come up with this stuff?

I know I said I wasn't going to comment again but I couldn't let this statement go untested because it is simply false. I never heard of this woman until the trial but I heard of Trump all the way back in the 80's. Most Americans knew of Trump back in the 80's because of the drama with his first wife, he also dated supermodels, Regis Philbin would call him "The Donald" on his morning show and Trump had a cameo in Home Alone 2 in 1992.

What she wrote in her book was libel against Trump, he should counter-sue her.

Ok, now I'm done with this ridiculous topic.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Danno on Jan 30, 2024, 11:18 AM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 05:23 AMWhere do you people come up with this stuff?

I know I said I wasn't going to comment again but I couldn't let this statement go untested because it is simply false. I never heard of this woman until the trial but I heard of Trump all the way back in the 80's. Most Americans knew of Trump back in the 80's because of the drama with his first wife, he also dated supermodels, Regis Philbin would call him "The Donald" on his morning show and Trump had a cameo in Home Alone 2 in 1992.

What she wrote in her book was libel against Trump, he should counter-sue her.

Ok, now I'm done with this ridiculous topic.

only ridiculous to people that can't spit out the kool aid
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: HighStepper on Jan 30, 2024, 12:07 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 05:23 AMWhere do you people come up with this stuff?

I know I said I wasn't going to comment again but I couldn't let this statement go untested because it is simply false. I never heard of this woman until the trial but I heard of Trump all the way back in the 80's. Most Americans knew of Trump back in the 80's because of the drama with his first wife, he also dated supermodels, Regis Philbin would call him "The Donald" on his morning show and Trump had a cameo in Home Alone 2 in 1992.

What she wrote in her book was libel against Trump, he should counter-sue her.

Ok, now I'm done with this ridiculous topic.
Not libel when what was said was proven to be true in a court of law.

Ok, Trump had a brief cameo appearance in 1992, Home Alone 2 (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/home-alone-donald-trump-cameo-christmas-b2469874.html)

Consider that in order to get big money for defaming one's reputation one needs to have a big reputation.

E. Jean Carroll's was a trailblazer in New York City's elite literary circles. Carroll is a lauded writer, journalist and author. Carroll was an advice columnist who appeared on TV and was featured in Elle Magazine for nearly 30 years.  She wrote for Saturday Night Live in the 1980s and hosted "Ask E. Jean," a TV show that aired from 1994-96.

Carroll was a cheerleading beauty queen crowned Miss Indiana University in 1963, and in 1964, and won the Miss Cheerleader USA title

E. Jean Carroll (https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2024/01/18/who-is-e-jean-carroll-donald-trump-accuser-indiana-university-bloomington-fort-wayne-indiana/72266127007/)

Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 30, 2024, 12:49 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 05:23 AMWhat she wrote in her book was libel against Trump, he should counter-sue her.
It's too late for that because their issues have been decided in court. And he lost, bigly.

Where do you come up with this stuff?
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 03:28 PM
Ok people, lets look at the timeline:
E Jean Carroll wrote a book that was released in 2019, the assault civil case was in 2023.
That means she made libelous claims before the trial, Trump tried to sue her but the judge dismissed his case.
You and I know that her book influenced the jurors and judge.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/29/donald-trump-rape-e-jean-carroll/72295009007/

I still never heard of her before the trial, I never heard that she was a writer for SNL.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 03:51 PM
Here is an interview from 1989 on the #1 morning show in America at the time:

Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 30, 2024, 04:27 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 03:28 PMOk people, lets look at the timeline:
E Jean Carroll wrote a book that was released in 2019, the assault civil case was in 2023.
That means she made libelous claims before the trial, Trump tried to sue her but the judge dismissed his case.
You and I know that her book influenced the jurors and judge.

Trump didn't file his counterclaim until after the verdict in the sexual assault case. Carroll was on CNN the day after the verdict, and when a reporter asked what she thought when the jury answered "no" to the question of whether he raped her, she replied that she thought at the time, oh, yes he did--oh, yes, he did.

Trump claimed Carroll's comment was defamatory because it "disregarded the jury's finding that [Mr. Trump] did not rape her." The judge found, however, that although the jury answered "no" to the rape question, that didn't matter because the jury did find that he "raped" her digitally. The difference between a penile rape and a digital rape for purposes of a defamation claim, the judge found, was minimal since both acts are felonious sex crimes in NY.

The bottom line is that Trump lost badly in these cases, continued to make things worse for himself, and had shitty lawyers to boot. In other words, it was another Trump legal clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 04:50 PM
Trump did have incompetent lawyers, I will give you that.
But when you load the jury with naïve gullible people who hate the defendant then said defendant doesn't stand a chance.

"She wrote it in her book so it must be true, women never lie." - brain dead juror mentality
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 30, 2024, 05:22 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 04:50 PMBut when you load the jury with naïve gullible people who hate the defendant then said defendant doesn't stand a chance.

"She wrote it in her book so it must be true, women never lie." - brain dead juror mentality
Do you know something about the jurors? Anything at all? Of course not. You're speculating based on a result you don't like.

But let's say the jurors came to dislike Trump. Why wouldn't they? They were convinced, at least by a preponderance of the evidence, that he sexually assaulted a woman and that, after she dared talk about it publicly, he attacked her personally in a way that only a man as loathsome as Trump would.

Note: I misspoke in my earlier post. In the first trial, Trump had competent counsel in Joe Tacopina, a respected litigator in New York. But "Joe Taco" got himself out of representing Trump, most likely because Trump is both the world's worst client and the world's worst witness.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 05:34 PM
"A jury is twelve people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty." - anonymous
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 30, 2024, 05:38 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 05:34 PM"A jury is twelve people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty." - anonymous
At least when you trash America's jury system, you don't do so as an officer of the court. So you're a smidge above Trump's lawyer, Alina Habba.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Danno on Jan 31, 2024, 08:02 AM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 30, 2024, 05:34 PM"A jury is twelve people who are too stupid to get out of jury duty." - anonymous
I've been on 3 juries.
One a murder trial that lasted 3 months. took 2 weeks and 250 people to get down to 12
Liked every minute of it.
Very interesting and learned a lot
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: zoezane on Jan 31, 2024, 05:06 PM
E. Jean Carroll was raped by rapist trump.  I find this informative how men talk about rape who have not been raped.
When I did phone sex in Las Vegas, I had famous male rock stars confess to me how they were raped by family memebers. I don't think they would talk about it in here.  Those raped men would be supportive of E. Jean Carroll.  They wouldn't come up with the boring gold digger escuse.  How many times have rapists got away with raping women, thousands. 

Raping women on this planet, it's a noraml thing men do.  It's okay I can rape as many as I want and get away with it.  I'm glad, I'm not one of those raping men. 
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Jan 31, 2024, 05:35 PM
The jury said Trump assaulted her, the jury said he didn't rape her under the definition of NY law.
Again, this was a civil trial and not a criminal trial so he wasn't convicted.

My brain hurts from reading lies and non-sense, I need to take a break.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Bande on Jan 31, 2024, 08:52 PM
Neil in the following video could not of said it better.
MSNBC interview? Anyone see that? Kind of proved what a whack job EG Carol is.

Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Jan 31, 2024, 10:23 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 31, 2024, 05:35 PMThe jury said Trump assaulted her, the jury said he didn't rape her under the definition of NY law.
Again, this was a civil trial and not a criminal trial so he wasn't convicted.

My brain hurts from reading lies and non-sense, I need to take a break.
We know it was a civil case and that by the time Trump's victim spoke out about her assault, it was too late for him to be charged criminally. But here's some "nonsense" offered by the judge in granting Carroll's motion to dismiss Trump's counterclaim:

The jury in Carroll II was instructed that it could find that Mr. Trump "raped" Ms. Carroll only if it found that he forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll's vagina with his penis. It could not find that he "raped" her if it determined that Mr. Trump forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll's private sexual parts with his fingers - which commonly is considered "rape" in other contexts - because the New York Penal Law definition of rape is limited to penile penetration. As the Court explained in its recent decision denying Mr. Trump's motion for a new trial on damages and other relief in Carroll II, based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury's verdict as a whole, the jury's finding that Mr. Trump "sexually abused" Ms. Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally- in other words, that Mr. Trump in fact did "rape" Ms. Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York Penal Law.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: dogwalker on Jan 31, 2024, 10:41 PM
Ok.....but again....the verdict is the verdict.
Whether you agree with it or not that's the current situation.
Will it change in the future?  Maybe. Maybe not.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: HighStepper on Feb 01, 2024, 01:04 AM
Quote from: Bande on Jan 31, 2024, 08:52 PMNeil in the following video could not of said it better.
MSNBC interview? Anyone see that? Kind of proved what a whack job EG Carol is.
Your opinion is she is a whack job. Other people may have a different opinion. Carroll's writing style—which often incorporates humor—has been described as "quirky", "cheeky," and "irreverent. Link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll#:~:text=Carroll's%20writing%20style%E2%80%94which%20often,%2C%22%20and%20%22irreverent.%22)

Neil the lumberjack guy is not a lawyer. He spews a lot of misinformation. However, we can see how it all unfolds on appeal. He is probably right when he said Trump won't have to pay anything...his campaign donors will pay for it.

Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Feb 01, 2024, 10:04 AM
Quote from: Bande on Jan 31, 2024, 08:52 PMNeil in the following video could not of said it better.
Neil--let's not sugarcoat it--is full of shit. We can give him the benefit of the doubt initially because we know nothing about him, but it takes very little cross-checking to see that he's pedaling BS.

Yet, Neil has 128,000 subscribers on YouTube. Thus, Neil's video illustrates one of the problems with a world where anyone can publish whatever they want at minimal cost.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Bande on Feb 01, 2024, 11:41 AM
Quote from: bats on Feb 01, 2024, 10:04 AMNeil--let's not sugarcoat it--is full of shit. We can give him the benefit of the doubt initially because we know nothing about him, but it takes very little cross-checking to see that he's pedaling BS.

Yet, Neil has 128,000 subscribers on YouTube. Thus, Neil's video illustrates one of the problems with a world where anyone can publish whatever they want at minimal cost.

LMAO
I bet you did not watch the video to make a valid statement. That is how you are.
Peddling Bullshit? Most of what he speaks has been all over mainstream media as well.
Not to Mention, who financed and pushed this Lawsuit?
We will see how it works out. Clearly a Community that is not diverse.
Have you seen the accuser speak. She is a definite wax job, and has no evidence at all, Not even dates. No Court that I know of would of validated this civil lawsuit.

What is happening here should concern all Americans about how the future may be.
Glad many are ok with the oversteps of this administration.

So far Trump is WINNING. Demoncrats are in a scurry with all their LIES and Bullshit. Those that do not see it need to reeducate themselves. After what 6 years of lies, deceit, and fake evidence it fathoms me why Demoncrats have support. Oh Yeah, Cuz pussies are hurt, crying, and voting against Trump instead of what is right for the Country.
Yes, both parties have issue, one has more issues than anything. Look at the economies performance.



Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Danno on Feb 01, 2024, 01:29 PM
Boy, you must of had 2 glasses of the kool aid. According to the latest Fox poll, which was conducted Jan. 25-29, Biden leads Trump 50%-44%

Quote from: Bande on Feb 01, 2024, 11:41 AMLMAO
I bet you did not watch the video to make a valid statement. That is how you are.
Peddling Bullshit? Most of what he speaks has been all over mainstream media as well.
Not to Mention, who financed and pushed this Lawsuit?
We will see how it works out. Clearly a Community that is not diverse.
Have you seen the accuser speak. She is a definite wax job, and has no evidence at all, Not even dates. No Court that I know of would of validated this civil lawsuit.

What is happening here should concern all Americans about how the future may be.
Glad many are ok with the oversteps of this administration.

So far Trump is WINNING. Demoncrats are in a scurry with all their LIES and Bullshit. Those that do not see it need to reeducate themselves. After what 6 years of lies, deceit, and fake evidence it fathoms me why Demoncrats have support. Oh Yeah, Cuz pussies are hurt, crying, and voting against Trump instead of what is right for the Country.
Yes, both parties have issue, one has more issues than anything. Look at the economies performance.




Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Danno on Feb 01, 2024, 01:30 PM
Boy, you must of had 2 glasses of the kool aid. According to the latest Fox poll, which was conducted Jan. 25-29, Biden leads Trump 50%-44%

Quote from: Bande on Feb 01, 2024, 11:41 AMLMAO
I bet you did not watch the video to make a valid statement. That is how you are.
Peddling Bullshit? Most of what he speaks has been all over mainstream media as well.
Not to Mention, who financed and pushed this Lawsuit?
We will see how it works out. Clearly a Community that is not diverse.
Have you seen the accuser speak. She is a definite wax job, and has no evidence at all, Not even dates. No Court that I know of would of validated this civil lawsuit.

What is happening here should concern all Americans about how the future may be.
Glad many are ok with the oversteps of this administration.

So far Trump is WINNING. Demoncrats are in a scurry with all their LIES and Bullshit. Those that do not see it need to reeducate themselves. After what 6 years of lies, deceit, and fake evidence it fathoms me why Demoncrats have support. Oh Yeah, Cuz pussies are hurt, crying, and voting against Trump instead of what is right for the Country.
Yes, both parties have issue, one has more issues than anything. Look at the economies performance.




Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Danno on Feb 01, 2024, 01:31 PM
to file an appeal he has to pay the money to the courts first. doubt he has it
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Feb 01, 2024, 01:42 PM
Quote from: Danno on Feb 01, 2024, 01:29 PMAccording to the latest Fox poll, which was conducted Jan. 25-29, Biden leads Trump 50%-44%


It's not a Fox News poll, it was from Quinnipiac University(whoever the f--k that is):
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-tops-trump-new-poll-lead-shrinks-third-party-candidates
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: bats on Feb 01, 2024, 01:52 PM
Quote from: Bande on Feb 01, 2024, 11:41 AMLMAO
I bet you did not watch the video to make a valid statement. That is how you are.
Peddling Bullshit? Most of what he speaks has been all over mainstream media as well.
I watched the video before I commented because that is how I am.

Trump's stupid lawyer, Alina Habba, filed a letter with the court claiming that she had just learned that there was an "incestuous" conflict of interest between the judge and Carroll's lawyer because the two worked at the same law firm over thirty years ago.

Neil made a big deal of this because that's what he does on his channel. But I knew as I watched the video that he was full of shit because it's obvious (to me) that being employed at the same law firm three decades ago would not typically create any conflict of interest.

After Habba filed her letter, Carroll's lawyer filed a letter in response. That letter made Trump's lawyer look so stupid that Habba filed a new letter telling the judge, essentially, "never mind."

As a footnote, today Trump said in one of his deranged Truth Social posts that he is looking for a new lawyer to represent him in his appeal.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: HighStepper on Feb 01, 2024, 02:24 PM
Trumpers keep going back in history trying to change the facts. Trump lost the election. He knows he lost, yet has gotten his cult followers to believe that he didn't.

In a court of law a jury found he sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll and awarded her 5 million dollars. The case is on appeal. Link (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24388989/71923-trump-notice-of-appeal-on-first-carroll-verdict.pdf)
Dumb Dumb Donald couldn't wait for the appeals process to finish and shot his big mouth off and racked up an additional 83 million.

Trump and his minions can't argue the law, so they resort to ad hominem attacks on E, Jean Carroll. Shows the weakness of Trump's case.

"Not to Mention, who financed and pushed this Lawsuit?" Reid Hoffman who also funded civil lawsuits filed by the victims of the racist "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. Funding source doesn't affect the jury verdict.
 
Trump is so scarred about the General Election that he cries to the Republicans in Congress to not pass bills that would improve the border crisis. Trump wants to keep the border chaos for his campaign.

"Glad many are ok with the oversteps of this administration."
Oh please. The problem is the Biden administration has gone overboard with maintaining political distance. So much so, that Merrick Garland sat on his hands, rather than initiating prosecution against Trump a lot sooner. Short memories about Trump putting his fingers all over governmental agencies for his own corrupt interests.

The truly sad thing is how many Republicans support this RINO (yes, Trump is a RINO) that is a constant looser that focus on his sorry state of affairs, rather than what is good of America.

Republicans need to wake up and pick Nikki Haley as the nominee. She will beat Biden. A Trump win is trending downward.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: Romanticlover on Feb 01, 2024, 02:30 PM
Haley is not going to be President, RFK Jr has a better chance than her.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: zoezane on Feb 01, 2024, 06:06 PM
Danno, you are correct.  To file an appeal Mr. Trump has to pay the money to the courts first. Doubt he has it.  I can hardly wait till 378 million ? it tacked on and his business revoked forever because of fraud.  It still amazes me how his followers love his rapes, his frauds and bullies.  It says a lot about them as individuals.

HighStepper, yes Trump is causing chaos and using the border, make Biden look like he did it.  It's all backed up by Putin.  Trump has low-self esteem and wants to be like the Putin dictator traitor to life.
Title: Re: Trump ordered to pay $83.3 million for defamation suit
Post by: zoezane on Feb 02, 2024, 03:09 PM
Trump is a loser.  He bragged about his billions while lying to get more millions.  His followers are will go spiritually broke with their false Jesus GOD.  The whole energy field of trump is broken.  How can a male with tanning lotion drag his left leg with his big mouth that loves Hitler succeed ?  He won't and neither did Hitler.

All his followers will be betrayed by trunp traitor and Russia.