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Title: State of the Union
Post by: Romanticlover on Mar 07, 2024, 10:56 AM
Get ready for the babble-fest tonight as Biden does his state of the union address, I'm sure it will be cringe-worthy.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Danno on Mar 07, 2024, 11:18 AM
And you might learn something that is true, instead of the lies coming from babble baby Trump. Cracks me up every time he calls Biden a fascist. He doesn't even know what that means.
Still waiting for at least one of his white house staff to endorse him. That should tell you something.

Not one Military General is supporting him.
now his Dr that gave him the glowing health report, has been found out to be demoted because of bullying, sexual harassment, no wonder they are buddies.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: HighStepper on Mar 07, 2024, 12:21 PM
State of the Union Address (https://www.whitehouse.gov/state-of-the-union-2024/)
President Biden will address a Joint Session of Congress at the United States Capitol on Thursday, March 7, 2024 at 9 PM ET. (6 PM West Coast Time)

Live feed https://www.whitehouse.gov/state-of-the-union-2024/


Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Blkfyre on Mar 07, 2024, 12:26 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 07, 2024, 10:56 AMGet ready for the babble-fest tonight as Biden does his state of the union address, I'm sure it will be cringe-worthy.

Funny that republicans lost their minds in over Democrats not giving Trump respect during his State of the Union speeches due his being President but feel no remorse in denigrating Biden...
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: CigarMan on Mar 07, 2024, 12:38 PM
Quote from: Blkfyre on Mar 07, 2024, 12:26 PMFunny that republicans lost their minds in over Democrats not giving Trump respect during his State of the Union speeches due his being President but feel no remorse in denigrating Biden...

Well what do you expect they are ALL politicians. 
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: bats on Mar 07, 2024, 01:58 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 07, 2024, 10:56 AMGet ready for the babble-fest tonight as Biden does his state of the union address, I'm sure it will be cringe-worthy.
I'm thinking back to last year's SOTU when Biden owned the Republicans by calling them on their plans to gut Social Security and Medicare. Since that is unpopular, Republicans vocally denied it. The result was that Biden got them to agree en masse that those programs should be strengthened, not weakened.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: HighStepper on Mar 08, 2024, 12:49 AM
As it turns out Biden gave a high energy speech.  It seemed more at a political campaign speech rather than a State of the Union Speech. But, it certainly was not a "babble-fest" as some might have wanted. He effectively handled the hecklers who fell into the trap that Biden set for them.

Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: bats on Mar 08, 2024, 02:33 AM
For the second year in a row, Biden made fools of the Republicans by pointing out their plans to serve only the wealthy. When he brought up their plans to cut taxes for the wealthy and gut Social Security, they booed hypocritically.

Once again, however, Biden had set them up. They had to act like they weren't planning those things because that shit is so unpopular. As usual, however, their lies were obvious.

Babble-fest, my ass.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: CigarMan on Mar 08, 2024, 06:36 AM
Biden did much better than anticipated.  But who won last night, NO ONE! We are still stuck with a country divided with two probably candidates for President that almost all of one half of the country does not want the other one to be President.  Our "choices" are a narcissist who will never work with anyone and just stirs shit or an old man with dementia who probably will not make it another 4 years backed up by a politician who worked her way up the ladder on her knees giving us Prop 47 on the way.

And for all of the bloviating about the state of the union we had record low voter turnout for the recent primary where we elected people who ACTUALLY are in a position to make a real difference in our daily lives and I bet very few people can name their local representatives, their park board members, their schools board members, their fire department board members, their water/sewer district board members or the SMUD Board members all of which actually impact your daily lives in real ways.  The President should never have a direct impact on the people, this just shows congress has ceded is power to the executive branch and now the executive and legislative branch are doing their best to damage the judicial branch so they can do what every they want.
Rant over.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Romanticlover on Mar 08, 2024, 06:57 AM
Biden had less gaffes than I thought he would but he came across as a bitter old man sitting on his porch telling the neighborhood kids to "get off my lawn!"
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Danno on Mar 08, 2024, 11:17 AM
the rebuttal women never presented one think to help the American people, they just want to protect their rich donors.
Fully vested after 5 years is a joke. Pay MTG, Bobert for what?
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: zoezane on Mar 08, 2024, 11:30 AM
read why the main supporters follow trump. --- this imformation came from my TM meditation group

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/11/1015120444/study-looks-at-what-motivates-trump-supporters

2011, hate groups latched onto trump over muslim and african americans etc

that is why they like trump, they found a energy portal to express their hatred towards marginalized groups

anything behind trump is racist, it's for war

YOU can't reason with raging hating racists

like MTG, like Mike Johnson etc.

they hate life and fueled by their hatreds
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Blkfyre on Mar 08, 2024, 11:36 AM
Quote from: Danno on Mar 08, 2024, 11:17 AMthe rebuttal women never presented one think to help the American people, they just want to protect their rich donors.
Fully vested after 5 years is a joke. Pay MTG, Bobert for what?



https://secondnexus.com/katie-britt-sotu-handmaids-tale

But her remarks—made from her kitchen table in Montgomery, Alabama—inspired comparisons to The Handmaid's Tale, a novel by Canadian author Margaret Atwood that was written at the height of the Reagan administration and satirized political, social, and religious trends of the 1980s.

We know the Republicans put her in the kitchen on purpose, and we know they dressed her like a Handmaid's Tale villain on purpose.

Both are "too obvious to miss" kinds of choices.

That means both were intended. And we should pay attention to that.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Blkfyre on Mar 08, 2024, 11:41 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/politics/cnn-poll-biden-sotu-speech-reaction/index.html


More than 6 in 10 Americans who watched President Joe Biden's State of the Union address had a positive reaction to the speech, according to a CNN Poll conducted by SSRS, with a smaller 35% reacting very positively.

Americans who watched on Thursday said, 62% to 38%, that the policies Biden proposed will move the US in the right direction, rather than the wrong direction. In a survey conducted before the speech, just 45% of those same people said Biden's policies would move the US in the right direction.

So, contrary to conservative beliefs, the American people's confidence in Biden rose 17% after his speech, from unfavorable to favorable.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: zoezane on Mar 08, 2024, 12:02 PM
State of the Union Biden, I saw a clear path for democracy, how Biden hold's his heart, that America is hope.  I saw it and felt it.  I'm not a hater which helps a lot to see the truth.  I'm hopeful and doing meditation that gets rid of the clouds of hating, violent war trump, his words and actions.

Hate, anger, despair, anxiety, panic does not make a brain hopeful.  My phone calls from my abused Republican sister who loves trump, ted cruz, tells me what hate does to any human.

Blkfyre, you are correct about the rise in confidence in Biden and America.  Truth social was down which tells me that the hate of trump and his hating followers did to their social media energy field.  Trump manipulated the value of the company and the VC did not like it. 
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Hobby on Mar 08, 2024, 02:47 PM
Biden spoke really good.  I still wont vote for him or Trump
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: HighStepper on Mar 08, 2024, 07:14 PM
Quote from: CigarMan on Mar 08, 2024, 06:36 AMOur "choices" are a narcissist who will never work with anyone and just stirs shit or an old man with dementia ...
 
We have had these discussions numerous before. Link (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=8633)
Dementia is not a specific disease but is rather a general term for the impaired ability to remember, think, or make decisions that interferes with doing everyday activities. CDC Link (https://www.cdc.gov/aging/dementia/index.html)

For a fuller discussion on cognitive issues see:  https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=2935

If anyone ever had a love one suffer from dementia they probably would not be cavalier in throwing the term around.

Personally I think people should just say they hate Biden rather than coming up with some label to justify their dislike. You have a right to not like someone.

Quote from: CigarMan on Mar 08, 2024, 06:36 AM...elected people who ACTUALLY are in a position to make a real difference in our daily lives and I bet very few people can name their local representatives, their park board members, their schools board members, their fire department board members, their water/sewer district board members or the SMUD Board members all of which actually impact your daily lives in real ways.
Your point is very well taken.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: bats on Mar 08, 2024, 07:57 PM
Quote from: HighStepper on Mar 08, 2024, 07:14 PMPersonally I think people should just say they hate Biden rather than coming up with some label to justify their dislike. You have a right to not like someone.
Yesterday, a geriatrician wrote a column in the LA Times about Biden's age and memory. The doc suggested that Biden's lifelong speech impediment makes his benign age-associated memory impairment appear worse in public speaking than it actually is.

Although it's clear that Biden has "lost a step," there is no valid reason to suggest, as the propagandists at Fox News and elsewhere have done for years, that his relatively mild decline makes him unfit to be president.

I don't know whether people will be able to view the column without a subscription, but here's the link just in case:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-03-07/joe-biden-age-memory-alzheimers-cognition
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Bande on Mar 10, 2024, 09:24 PM
No one mentions nor has a problem with Bidens top priority being Ukraine while a Invasion is happening at Our borders fathoms me...
Bidens priority should be the Country he is President over...
Not to mention supporting Hamas... Israel needs to take out Hamas. Hamas was the attacker not Israel..
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: bats on Mar 11, 2024, 01:18 AM
Quote from: Bande on Mar 10, 2024, 09:24 PMNo one mentions nor has a problem with Bidens top priority being Ukraine while a Invasion is happening at Our borders fathoms me...
Bidens priority should be the Country he is President over...
Not to mention supporting Hamas... Israel needs to take out Hamas. Hamas was the attacker not Israel..
You'll get what you want if Trump is elected, but our national security will be severely weakened if that happens.

Some people can't "fathom" what a second Trump term would mean for democracy in the U.S. and the Western world.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: HighStepper on Mar 11, 2024, 02:08 AM
Quote from: Bande on Mar 10, 2024, 09:24 PMNo one mentions nor has a problem with Bidens top priority being Ukraine while a Invasion is happening at Our borders fathoms me...
Bidens priority should be the Country he is President over...
Not to mention supporting Hamas... Israel needs to take out Hamas. Hamas was the attacker not Israel..
"Biden's TOP priority being Ukraine" is another MAGA spin lie.
A real president has to deal with a number of priorities simultaneously, NOT just ONE TOP priority. Biden supported a bipartisan bill that was negotiated by Republicans and Democrats to deal with the border as well as Ukraine, Israel, twain and humanitarian aid. Like Trump said, blame him for not taking care of American interest related to immigration.

This issue has been previously discussed a number of times. Most recently  in Freedom Hall February 15, 2024 (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=17320)
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Bande on Mar 13, 2024, 11:13 AM
Quote from: HighStepper on Mar 11, 2024, 02:08 AM"Biden's TOP priority being Ukraine" is another MAGA spin lie.
A real president has to deal with a number of priorities simultaneously, NOT just ONE TOP priority. Biden supported a bipartisan bill that was negotiated by Republicans and Democrats to deal with the border as well as Ukraine, Israel, twain and humanitarian aid. Like Trump said, blame him for not taking care of American interest related to immigration.

This issue has been previously discussed a number of times. Most recently in Freedom Hall February 15, 2024 (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=17320)


Did you not watch the State Of The Union? ChinaBiden had a big focus on Funding Ukraine War and focused hardly on the Border Invasion. Dishing out $$$$ for Ukraine and Not using Executive orders to control the Border pretty much says it..
Biden can with a stroke of a pen control the border and chooses not to.
Not to Mention flying 320.000 Illegals into the States. A Fact....
Everything Maga lies LMAO. Proof is in the State Of The Union..
We should be FOCUSED On America not UKRAINE...
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Romanticlover on Mar 13, 2024, 12:14 PM
There won't be any America if we don't focus on our borders.  This battle is very important to stop Biden Dem traitors.  Biden hates America.
See it goes both ways.

Biden announced on Tuesday the US will be sending $300 million in weapons to Ukraine. I don't have a problem with giving other countries weapons, it's the endless tax dollars I have a problem with. If we give weapons then it boosts our manufacturing.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: bats on Mar 13, 2024, 02:25 PM
Quote from: Bande on Mar 13, 2024, 11:13 AMDid you not watch the State Of The Union? ChinaBiden had a big focus on Funding Ukraine War and focused hardly on the Border Invasion. Dishing out $$$$ for Ukraine and Not using Executive orders to control the Border pretty much says it..
Biden can with a stroke of a pen control the border and chooses not to.
Not to Mention flying 320.000 Illegals into the States. A Fact....
Everything Maga lies LMAO. Proof is in the State Of The Union..
We should be FOCUSED On America not UKRAINE...
We've already discussed the fact that House Republicans, under orders from Trump, have so far refused to vote on a bipartisan bill that would have addressed the issues at the border. Neither Trump nor the Republicans give a shit about the border, or they wouldn't be letting the problem fester so they can continue to use it for political points during this election year.

As for the SOTU, here's a partial transcript:

In November, my team began serious negotiations with a bipartisan group of Senators. The result was a bipartisan bill with the toughest set of border security reforms we've ever seen in this country.

That bipartisan deal would hire 1,500 more border security agents and officers, 100 more immigration judges to help tackle a backload of 2 million cases, 4,300 more asylum officers and new policies so they can resolve cases in 6 months instead of 6 years, 100 more high-tech drug detection machines to significantly increase the ability to screen and stop vehicles from smuggling fentanyl into America.

This bill would save lives and bring order to the border.

It would also give me as President new emergency authority to temporarily shut down the border when the number of migrants at the border is overwhelming. 

The Border Patrol Union endorsed the bill. The Chamber of Commerce endorsed the bill. I believe that given the opportunity a majority of the House and Senate would endorse it as well.

But unfortunately, politics have derailed it so far.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: bats on Mar 13, 2024, 02:28 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 13, 2024, 12:14 PMThere won't be any America if we don't focus on our borders.  This battle is very important to stop Biden Dem traitors.  Biden hates America.
See it goes both ways.

Biden announced on Tuesday the US will be sending $300 million in weapons to Ukraine. I don't have a problem with giving other countries weapons, it's the endless tax dollars I have a problem with. If we give weapons then it boosts our manufacturing.
You can't substitute words like you're playing Mad Libs and then proclaim that it goes both ways. That's absurd.

As for "endless tax dollars," apart from the fact that the bulk of our assistance to Ukraine has been in the form of weaponry and equipment, our backing Ukraine against Trump's invading idol is the cheapest possible way for us to protect our national security and the world's.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: HighStepper on Mar 13, 2024, 03:09 PM
Quote from: Bande on Mar 13, 2024, 11:13 AMDid you not watch the State Of The Union? ChinaBiden had a big focus on Funding Ukraine War and focused hardly on the Border Invasion. Dishing out $$$$ for Ukraine and Not using Executive orders to control the Border pretty much says it..
Biden can with a stroke of a pen control the border and chooses not to.
Not to Mention flying 320.000 Illegals into the States. A Fact....
Everything Maga lies LMAO. Proof is in the State Of The Union..
We should be FOCUSED On America not UKRAINE...
More MAGA lies
Yes I watch the State of the Union. Guess you missed this part. Perhaps out of the room for a pee break, lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64ivmhyyRSI
Video length 5:35 minutes.

Biden called out the Republican on the border, making them look stupid. MAGA extremist don't want to serve the American people on the border bill they want to play politics.


Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: HighStepper on Mar 13, 2024, 03:36 PM
Quote from: Romanticlover on Mar 13, 2024, 12:14 PMBiden announced on Tuesday the US will be sending $300 million in weapons to Ukraine. I don't have a problem with giving other countries weapons, it's the endless tax dollars I have a problem with. If we give weapons then it boosts our manufacturing.
Agree.
American business/workers manufacturing weapons are benefiting from the aid given to Ukraine
This issue has been previously discussed a number of times. Most recently in Freedom Hall February 15, 2024 (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=17320)

Democrats do a lousy job of communicating this.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: dogwalker on Mar 13, 2024, 03:55 PM
Umm tax dollars pay for something....jobs, infrastructure, wages.  The government doesn't just burn the tax money they collect.    That said a lot of it is wasted on paying interest on our huge debt.  That goes to countries like China and Japan that buy our T bills to fund the debt.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Bande on Mar 14, 2024, 07:04 PM
Quote from: HighStepper on Mar 13, 2024, 03:36 PMAgree.
American business/workers manufacturing weapons are benefiting from the aid given to Ukraine
This issue has been previously discussed a number of times. Most recently in Freedom Hall February 15, 2024 (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=17320)

Democrats do a lousy job of communicating this.
Thus They rage war and fund it so we can manufacture weapons...
Totally wrong.
That money could do so much in OUR Country and not sponsor WAR..

America perpetuating War is WRONG. Just put the $$$ to Our America, that would equal to the manufacturing Dollars, more than likely more..
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: HighStepper on Mar 15, 2024, 06:42 PM
Quote from: HighStepper on Mar 13, 2024, 03:36 PMAmerican business/workers manufacturing weapons are benefiting from the aid given to Ukraine
This issue has been previously discussed a number of times. Most recently in Freedom Hall February 15, 2024 (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=17320)
 

Quote from: Bande on Mar 14, 2024, 07:04 PMThus They rage war and fund it so we can manufacture weapons...
Totally wrong.
That money could do so much in OUR Country and not sponsor WAR..

America perpetuating War is WRONG. Just put the $$$ to Our America, that would equal to the manufacturing Dollars, more than likely more..
It sounds like naive pacifism.  In the words of Pete Seeger "ain't gonna study war no more" from the old folk singers. It would be nice to have a world like that. The Trillions of dollars spent on the military industrial complex could go a long way toward better health care, education, and things associated with living a better life. So, do you think you can get Putin, North Korea, Iran and the enemies of democracy to go along? 

War and military preparedness by its very nature is filled with inefficient obsolesces. The technology is constantly changing and the US needs to continuously update. This updating of US military capabilities is one of the benefits that come from supplying Ukraine with weapons.

The fantasy of going back to the 1930's isolation from the rest of the world is not viable.
Title: Re: State of the Union
Post by: Blkfyre on Mar 16, 2024, 12:07 PM
Quote from: Bande on Mar 14, 2024, 07:04 PMThus They rage war and fund it so we can manufacture weapons...
Totally wrong.
That money could do so much in OUR Country and not sponsor WAR..

America perpetuating War is WRONG. Just put the $$$ to Our America, that would equal to the manufacturing Dollars, more than likely more..

https://www.newsweek.com/us-sold-42-billion-weapons-foreign-governments-2017-727808

"The U.S. government sold $41.9 billion in weapons to foreign partners in 2017, the Pentagon announced Thursday.

The total was a 25 percent increase over sales in 2016, but short of records set in 2015 and 2012. The announcement does not include a breakdown of who bought the weapons or what types of weapons were sold.

President Donald Trump has been pushing for more U.S. arms sales, tweeting in September that he would help Japan and South Korea buy more weapons. The administration has taken a hands-on approach to arms sales, with his son-in-law Jared Kushner personally calling the chief executive of the world's largest defense company, Lockheed Martin, to help build a package of $110 billion in sales to Saudi Arabia."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905047095488516098?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E905047095488516098%7Ctwgr%5Ed5cd48fedcf3557b17fdcafafc2877fad88fd2be%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fus-sold-42-billion-weapons-foreign-governments-2017-727808

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I am allowing Japan & South Korea to buy a substantially increased amount of highly sophisticated military equipment from the United States.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2019/09/trump-has-sold-arms-lots-problematic-regimes-besides-ukraine-heres-list/160152/

Ukraine ranks as the world's 60th-most corrupt nation, according to Transparency International's 2018 ranking. Countries considered more corrupt include Mexico, Nigeria, Kenya and Iraq — all of which have received the Trump administration's approval to import U.S.-made weapons, including attack planes, armed helicopters and missiles.

Deals to these countries include:

Mexico: MH-60R submarine-hunting helicopters, $1.2 billion.
Mexico: Harpoon missile and Mk-54 torpedo, $98.4 million.
Mexico: Evolved Seasparrow tactical missiles, $41 million.
Iraq: warplane logistics, $1 billion.
Iraq: machine guns, rifles and armored vehicles and other infantry equipment, $295.6 million.
Iraq: warship repairs, $150 million.
Iraq: armed Bell 407 helicopters, $82.5 million.
Nigeria: armed A-29 Super Tucano attack planes, $593 million.
Kenya: attack planes, $418 million.
Kenya: attack helicopters, $253 million.

Conservative hypocrisy in action folks...