https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/04/-donald-trump-unsealed-indictment-ny-arraingment.html
The indictment against former President Donald Trump charges him with 34 criminal counts of falsifying business records and conspiracy in connection with hush money payments to two women before the 2016 presidential election.
The indictment says those payments aimed to suppress claims by those women of having sex with Trump, in order to avoid those accounts harming his chances of winning the election over Hillary Clinton.
A Manhattan Supreme Court grand jury indicted Trump on Thursday after hearing testimony for several months about a hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels.
Trump separately is under criminal investigation by the Department of Justice and a state prosecutor in Georgia for efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss to President Joe Biden.
The charging document was unsealed at his arraignment in Manhattan Supreme Court, where a prosecutor said Trump's crimes had undermined the 2016 election.
"Not guilty," Trump told Judge Juan Merchan.
There are two women previously known to have received hush money payments in 2016 to buy their silence about Trump.
One was the porn star Stormy Daniels, who received $130,000 from Trump's then-lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen at Trump's direction.
The other was Playboy model Karen McDougal, who received $150,000 from the publisher of The National Enquirer, the supermarket tabloid that was allied with Trump.
Next hearing will be in December with the trial likely to start in January 2024.
The judge ordered that no video cameras or cellphones will be allowed inside the courtroom.
Even Mitt Romney, who is no fan of Trump, says the charges are "over-reaching and politically charged"...
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/donald-trump-indictment-news-new-york-stormy-daniels-04-04-2023
In other news:
The left-leaning 9th Circuit Court ruled in favor of Trump and Stormy has to pay more money.
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/trump-indictment-9th-circuit-awards-trump-121962-in-attorney-fees-from-stormy-daniels-articleshow.html
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 04, 2023, 02:45 PMEven Mitt Romney, who is no fan of Trump, says the charges are "over-reaching and politicly charged"...
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/donald-trump-indictment-news-new-york-stormy-daniels-04-04-2023
Yeah, who could think that politicians could over reach and be politically motivated?
Aren't they still trying to pin charges on Biden due to his son? And I am fairly certain for YEARS conservatives were harping on Benghazi.
Yeah, it's just AWFUL when politicians use an issue for political gain, right?
The DA of NYC is going to waste $ millions of tax-payers money on a $140,000 hush settlement which doesn't make any sense, while an investigation of the Secretary of State was necessary because several Americans died in Benghazi.
Murder will always be a more serious crime than hush money, murderers are running free in NYC and so are negligent politicians.
Aren't they still trying to pin charges on Biden due to his son? And I am fairly certain for YEARS conservatives were harping on Benghazi
Benghazi embassy was Obama's responsibility and needed to be investigated as to why it happened. People died there! Benghazi could have been prevented had Obama paid attention to and responded to reports prior to the attack.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 04, 2023, 02:45 PMIn other news:
The left-leaning 9th Circuit Court ruled in favor of Trump and Stormy has to pay more money.
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/trump-indictment-9th-circuit-awards-trump-121962-in-attorney-fees-from-stormy-daniels-articleshow.html
It's as if you have no idea that Stormy's defamation suit never had anything to do with the current criminal indictment against Trump.
"Under New York state law, it is a felony to falsify business records with intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime," Bragg said in a news conference later Tuesday. "That is exactly what this case is about. Thirty-four false statements made to cover up other crimes. These are felony crimes in New York no matter who you are."
Outside the courthouse, the number of reporters covering the event outnumbered those who came to protest the arrest of the twice-impeached former president. The dozens of Trump supporters who did show up were met with counter protestors, and both groups were separated by police barriers.
Mitt Romney is a spoiled, entitled Mormon patriarch who only cares about himself (has no backbone since he is not made accountable like Utah Governor who is duly entitled). You know it's the patriarch thingy that the cult takes very serious. Mitt is trying to save his own ass and anything out of his mouth needs a gag order.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 04, 2023, 02:55 PMThe DA of NYC is going to waste $ millions of tax-payers money on a $140,000 hush settlement which doesn't make any sense, while an investigation of the Secretary of State was necessary because several Americans died in Benghazi.
Murder will always be a more serious crime than hush money, murderers are running free in NYC and so are negligent politicians.
Funny, conservatives are willing to throw MILLIONS at getting illegal aliens who are paying TAXES to the US for the jobs they have thrown out of the country which doesn't make any sense, but when someone is breaking THIRTY-FOUR laws, all of a sudden DA's are wasting money...
How do illegals pay income taxes if they don't have a Soc Sec card or Tax ID?
If they don't have one they can't legally work in the US, if they use a phony Tax ID then that's also illegal.
I know falsifying an I-9 form is a serious crime because I've worked in HR and hired many people. Not only that but entering the US without a passport or VISA is also a crime.
Quote from: bats on Apr 04, 2023, 03:31 PMIt's as if you have no idea that Stormy's defamation suit never had anything to do with the current criminal indictment against Trump.
Oh but they do and I'm sure Trump's defense will bring it up in court during the trial...that is if the prosecution doesn't object and the judge allows it. Trump's lawyers will also bring up the fact that the statute of limitations has expired.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 04, 2023, 05:32 PMHow do illegals pay income taxes if they don't have a Soc Sec card or Tax ID?
If they don't have one they can't legally work in the US, if they use a phony Tax ID then that's also illegal.
I know falsifying an I-9 form is a serious crime because I've worked in HR and hired many people. Not only that but entering the US without a passport or VISA is also a crime.
They pay them very well:
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/
https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-state-local-tax-contributions-2017/
And again, you think that what illegal aliens do is VERY illegal, but want to dismiss the 34 things Trump is charged with.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 04, 2023, 05:36 PMOh but they do and I'm sure Trump's defense will bring it up in court during the trial...that is if the prosecution doesn't object and the judge allows it.
I mean, Trump does have a history of hiring stupid lawyers, but the lawyers thus far defending him in this criminal case don't seem like complete morons.
A guy named Pecker is going to be key. Pecker. lol
I heard he's a dick.
Quote from: Danno on Apr 04, 2023, 07:25 PMA guy named Pecker is going to be key. Pecker. lol
Yep. The Pecker is huge in this case.
That would be David J. Pecker, former CEO of American Media, Inc. (AMI), which publishes the National Enquirer and other publications.
"AMI" is found
49 times in the D.A.'s 13-page statement of facts.
By the way, it wasn't just the hush money paid to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. Trump also conspired (allegedly!) with Pecker and others to pay off a doorman who was shopping a story about an illegitimate child supposedly sired by Trump. (I think I read that that story turned out to be false, not that it matters.)
Quote from: zoezane on Apr 04, 2023, 04:27 PMMitt Romney is a spoiled, entitled Mormon patriarch who only cares about himself (has no backbone since he is not made accountable like Utah Governor who is duly entitled). You know it's the patriarch thingy that the cult takes very serious. Mitt is trying to save his own ass and anything out of his mouth needs a gag order.
During Trump's 2nd impeachment trial
Mitt Romney was one of seven Republicans who crossed the aisle and
voted to convict Trump for inciting an insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.
If more Republicans would have stepped up to the plate, all this Trump drama would not be happening.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 04, 2023, 05:36 PMTrump's lawyers will also bring up the fact that the statute of limitations has expired.
Since the time of Trump's crime he was primarily living in Washington D.C. and later in Florida outside New York's prosecutorial jurisdiction. Thus the limitations clock would have stopped multiple times
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the best one is. oh, it's only $130,000.
This witchunt will benefit Trump. Look at his campaign contributions. The contributions have been high since this shit was announced. They are helping people turn to Trump for this political bullshit that has no legal basis at all in my opinion.
Show a 10k settlement expense line item in their income statement. It can be in their analysis or discussion section but it is not in its own expense category. 10k which has reporting requirements. Trump is not publicly traded, therefore, his reporting standards are lower.
If Trump Has it under legal expense, the accounting is correct. Audits would pull details. If the invoice does not have payment to "Stormy Daniels" then that is a billing issue. Therefore if bookkeeping is the base for these 34 counts case will be dismissed.
Oh man. Trump really let me down at the Arraignment on Tuesday.
I really was expecting him to pull an O. J. Simpson plea by saying he is:
"Absolutely, 100 %, Not Guilty". LOL
Or course Trump
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Quote from: Bande on Apr 05, 2023, 04:46 AMThis witchunt will benefit Trump. Look at his campaign contributions. The contributions have been high since this shit was announced. They are helping people turn to Trump for this political bullshit that has no legal basis at all in my opinion.
Show a 10k settlement expense line item in their income statement. It can be in their analysis or discussion section but it is not in its own expense category. 10k which has reporting requirements. Trump is not publicly traded, therefore, his reporting standards are lower.
If Trump Has it under legal expense, the accounting is correct. Audits would pull details. If the invoice does not have payment to "Stormy Daniels" then that is a billing issue. Therefore if bookkeeping is the base for these 34 counts case will be dismissed.
You do get that he has THIRTY-FOUR charges against him right? Not just to Stormy?
idiots sending money to a so called Billionaire. lol
Quote from: Bande on Apr 05, 2023, 04:46 AMThis witchunt will benefit Trump. Look at his campaign contributions. The contributions have been high since this shit was announced. They are helping people turn to Trump for this political bullshit that has no legal basis at all in my opinion.
Show a 10k settlement expense line item in their income statement. It can be in their analysis or discussion section but it is not in its own expense category. 10k which has reporting requirements. Trump is not publicly traded, therefore, his reporting standards are lower.
If Trump Has it under legal expense, the accounting is correct. Audits would pull details. If the invoice does not have payment to "Stormy Daniels" then that is a billing issue. Therefore if bookkeeping is the base for these 34 counts case will be dismissed.
Quote from: Bande on Apr 05, 2023, 04:46 AMIf Trump Has it under legal expense, the accounting is correct. Audits would pull details. If the invoice does not have payment to "Stormy Daniels" then that is a billing issue. Therefore if bookkeeping is the base for these 34 counts case will be dismissed.
If that were all they had the grand jury would have told them to piss off. Instead, they returned 34 counts. Obviously, there is a lot more to it.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Apr 05, 2023, 08:07 AMYou do get that he has THIRTY-FOUR charges against him right? Not just to Stormy?
Did you get the D.A. Did not have a thing to tie to a felony charge.
All 34 charges are based on 1 misdemeanor item that is to old to prosecute.
Did you miss it is all political and no legal basis at all. Many legal scholars have stated this case has no basis to prosecute. Including your favorite channel CNN..
Quote from: bats on Apr 05, 2023, 11:27 AMIf that were all they had the grand jury would have told them to piss off. Instead, they returned 34 counts. Obviously, there is a lot more to it.
You make me laugh... What is your comment about many respected and known legal experts say there is no basis for this.
Experts in the field. Grand Jury that is based where? Correct? Trump hating State that has made this political rather than legal based..
The ONLY thing I will listen to is David Packman because of so much bull shit and lies. DAVE PACKMAN!
Even Joe Scarborough on MSNBC and the legal experts on CNN are saying this is a weak misdemeanor case.
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ok, just
Since when did Sulu become a legal expert?
Quote from: Bande on Apr 05, 2023, 11:34 AMYou make me laugh... What is your comment about many respected and known legal experts say there is no basis for this.
Experts in the field. Grand Jury that is based where? Correct? Trump hating State that has made this political rather than legal based..
You should automatically disqualify any "expert" who claims there is no basis for the charges. Why? Because only the grand jury has seen the evidence thus far presented.
We do know, however, that PECKER is big, as is Michael Cohen. Former Trump Organization CFO Alan Weisselberg might also be a witness, as he is referenced 13 times in the DA's statement of facts.
the best thing is that they can't say a president hasn't ever been arrested. the next 4 arraignment won't have that to overcome.
Quote from: Bande on Apr 05, 2023, 11:31 AMDid you get the D.A. Did not have a thing to tie to a felony charge.
All 34 charges are based on 1 misdemeanor item that is to old to prosecute.
Did you miss it is all political and no legal basis at all. Many legal scholars have stated this case has no basis to prosecute. Including your favorite channel CNN..
You should get out of your echo chamber sometime. They aren't misdemeanors, they are felonies:
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/04/1168094097/donald-trump-felony-charges-reaction-trial
"The indictment unsealed Tuesday includes 34 counts of falsifying business records with "intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof." That's a Class E felony — the lowest level of felony in the state of New York.
Each check was processed by the Trump Organization and disguised as a monthly payment for legal services under a retainer agreement, prosecutors say. "In truth, there was no retainer agreement," reads a statement of fact that accompanied the charges.
"Manhattan is home to the country's most significant business market," Bragg said in a press release on the charges. "We cannot allow New York businesses to manipulate their records to cover up criminal conduct.""
And they aren't too old due to a New York law:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/what-charges-does-trump-face-new-yorks-hush-money-case-2023-04-05/
"The statute of limitations is unlikely to be an issue, as it does not count time a defendant spends living outside New York state. Trump lived in Washington, D.C., while he was president and has lived in Florida since leaving office in 2021."
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 05, 2023, 11:50 AMSince when did Sulu become a legal expert?
This has nothing to do with the law, it's the conservatives idiotic logic:
When Trump is in office:
You can't prosecute because he's President
When Trump is out of office:
You can't prosecute because it's just political
Quote from: Danno on Apr 05, 2023, 09:07 AMidiots sending money to a so called Billionaire. lol
People can say what they want about Trump, but he is a master at the con.
It is quite common for cult leaders to bilked their followers out of their hard earned money.
He wrote a book called "Art of the Deal" and I suppose "deal" can have a broad meaning or application.
I do not know what he means by art of the deal. What is the "art" he is talking about for example, specifically his particular style? I have not read the book. I thought I might to get some insight into him. However it's always checked out at my local library and I decided I'm not buying it.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Apr 05, 2023, 06:19 PMThis has nothing to do with the law, it's the conservatives idiotic logic:
When Trump is in office:
You can't prosecute because he's President
When Trump is out of office:
You can't prosecute because it's just political
It's common sense logic: prosecuting an ex-President for a misdemeanor when you don't prosecute violent criminals makes it political
Every legal expert I've read on this indictment has said this case is weak and will probably be dismissed once it goes to trial, the chances of getting a conviction are slim.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/opinion/trump-bragg-indictment.html
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 05, 2023, 07:13 PMIt's common sense logic: prosecuting an ex-President for a misdemeanor when you don't prosecute violent criminals makes it political
Every legal expert I've read on this indictment has said this case is weak and will probably be dismissed once it goes to trial, the chances of getting a conviction are slim.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/opinion/trump-bragg-indictment.html
Sigh, told Bande, now you.
He's NOT being charged with misdemeanors, it's felonies.
And more than likely every legal expert you've read are ones who are Trump fans, so their conclusions are suspect...
Quote from: Blkfyre on Apr 05, 2023, 10:59 PMSigh, told Bande, now you.
He's NOT being charged with misdemeanors, it's felonies.
And more than likely every legal expert you've read are ones who are Trump fans, so their conclusions are suspect...
So all the Trump haters such as John Bolton and Mitt Romney are suspect?
So Joe Scarborough on MSNBC and the legal experts on CNN are suspect?
The law professor who wrote that op ed is suspect?
Every legal expert is saying these charges are misdemeanors.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 06, 2023, 06:17 AMEvery legal expert is saying these charges are misdemeanors.
He is being charged with
felonies.
- Citizens get selected for jury duty, they vote to indict.
- Like anyone indicted he is arraigned.
- He is presumed innocent
- The prosecutor must convince 12 people, unanimously, to come back with a guilty verdict.
- Fuck Trump. Let him go through the judicial process like anyone else.
- If the verdict comes back "not guilty" then this story is over.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 06, 2023, 06:17 AMSo all the Trump haters such as John Bolton and Mitt Romney are suspect?
So Joe Scarborough on MSNBC and the legal experts on CNN are suspect?
The law professor who wrote that op ed is suspect?
Every legal expert is saying these charges are misdemeanors.
Every legal expert huh?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/legal-experts-donald-trumps-indictment/story?id=98362591
""The theory of the prosecution is exactly as we expected," Michael Bachner, former assistant district attorney in the Rackets Bureau of the Manhattan district attorney's office, told ABC News. "There was a scheme to bury stories through this catch and kill process in order to help Donald Trump get elected, and that these payments were in the campaign contributions which were improperly buried."
"The surprise here is that there were no surprises; at least no surprises that there was a more serious crime being charged," echoed Marc Scholl, who was a prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney's office for nearly 40 years before entering private practice."
Quote from: HighStepper on Apr 06, 2023, 01:10 PMHe is being charged with felonies.
- Citizens get selected for jury duty, they vote to indict.
- Like anyone indicted he is arraigned.
- He is presumed innocent
- The prosecutor must convince 12 people, unanimously, to come back with a guilty verdict.
- Fuck Trump. Let him go through the judicial process like anyone else.
- If the verdict comes back "not guilty" then this story is over.
The problem is Trump can't get a fair trial with an impartial jury with all the negative publicity, I'll bet his defense moves for a change of venue.
"rump-dump" has dark-evil, bad karma like Darth Vader but worse. You know Darth Vader is EVIL, but rump-dump he get the award for the HUGEST TRICKSTER ON THE PLANET (years of generational bad programming and low vibration emotions like hate, anger, horror).
I read, when rump=dump was in his huge hotel gig, he got furious over 4 black men. He spent lots of money to take them all out. They went to prison on false charges and later proven not guilty. Yeah, bad public words about people hurt them. rump-dump eat your own fucked up medicine.
When he saw Ivana got more attention than him he divorced her like a led balloon. Don't make "rump-dump" mad at America because ......he will not Make American Great Again.
Hi Zoe, did you like how rump-dump looked in his court money making appearance? Yes, I did. He looked like shit. Why Zoe? Because his own negative energies is killing him. He has been world-wide humiliated. He's going to go on rampage hurting ever human being on the planet like Hitler but worse.
Humans better check their own anger levels and not to get caught up in the hopeless shit show.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 07, 2023, 10:11 AMI'll bet his defense moves for a change of venue.
His defense will move for a lot of things. Hardly any of those motions (and certainly not a change of venue) will be granted.
when he gets arrested 2 or 3 more times, he'll probably have a heart attack
Quote from: Romanticlover on Apr 07, 2023, 10:11 AMThe problem is Trump can't get a fair trial with an impartial jury with all the negative publicity, I'll bet his defense moves for a change of venue.
Funny, people said the same thing about the Senate the TWO times Trump was impeached, and you had ZERO issue with them not being impartial...
Every hour another conservative man cries on TV about Donald Trump's indictment. Desi Lydic is asking you to help them.
Help These Conservatives Heartbroken By Trump's Indictmenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stZFo3_YonE
Short video -
1:27 minutes long.
Quote from: Bande on Apr 05, 2023, 04:46 AMThis witchunt will benefit Trump. Look at his campaign contributions. The contributions have been high since this shit was announced. They are helping people turn to Trump for this political bullshit that has no legal basis at all in my opinion.
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Graham is crying because he knows he is screwed in the case in Georgia.
Quote from: HighStepper on Apr 09, 2023, 06:41 PMEvery hour another conservative man cries on TV about Donald Trump's indictment. Desi Lydic is asking you to help them.
Help These Conservatives Heartbroken By Trump's Indictment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stZFo3_YonE
Short video -1:27 minutes long.
don't forget the gold toilet
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They are trying to tie Trump up with lawsuits so he can not capaign.
They are making Trump more popular and people are donating to Trump like crazy..
Quote from: Bande on Apr 13, 2023, 02:31 PMThey are trying to tie Trump up with lawsuits so he can not capaign.
They are making Trump more popular and people are donating to Trump like crazy..
They are filing lawsuits because he BROKE THE LAW and that's what you do in that situation. Trump is not above the law despite what you and the conservatives think.
THE KING OF LAWSUITS
From the 1980s until he was elected president in 2016, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts, including battles with casino patrons, million-dollar real estate lawsuits, personal defamation lawsuits, and over 100 business tax disputes.
PLUS 5 TIMES BANKRUPT
Quote from: Bande on Apr 13, 2023, 02:31 PMThey are trying to tie Trump up with lawsuits so he can not capaign.
They are making Trump more popular and people are donating to Trump like crazy..