House Republicans once again voted to reject the nomination of Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, to be the next speaker of the House. Jordan lost a second vote in as many days as opposition to his nomination grew from 20 GOP defections to 22. Link (https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206757302/house-speaker-vote-news)
During his 16 years in Congress, Rep Jordan has not gotten one bill passed. So it really shouldn't be surprising he's having trouble getting the votes to become House Speaker, whose primary job is to move legislation and have the House function properly.
Link (https://www.cleveland.com/darcy/2023/10/jordan-speaker-bid-darcy-cartoon.html)
John Boehner called Jim Jordan a "legislative terrorist" Link (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/29/john-boehner-trump-house-republican-party-retirement-profile-feature-215741/)
From the hour and a half video of the House vote roll call, I skipped to the end to hear the vote tally.
https://youtu.be/3Wh8lfQxIug?t=4790
Hakeem Jeffries received 212 votes
Jim Jordan received 199 votes.
The humorous moment came when John Boehner received 1 vote.
It's a disaster. How long will (or can) this clown show go on?
2 seconds before Nov. 15?
Jim Jordan on a 3rd ballot for Speaker of the House did even worse than he did on the previous ballots. The three time loser went into private Republican session to see if the caucus still wanted him to run for the Speakership. By secret vote a 112 Republicans said no. Only 86 said yes. So, Jim Jordan three strikes out will no longer run for the Speakership.
'Multiple rounds of voting have been necessary 16 times since 1789, most recently in October 2023. In the longest speaker election in House history, 133 ballots (cast over a two-month period) were needed before representatives chose Nathaniel Banks as their presiding officer for the 34th Congress (1855–1857).'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections#:~:text=Multiple%20rounds%20of%20voting%20have,Congress%20(1855%E2%80%931857).
One thing I know for sure is Hakeem Jeffries won't be speaker in this Congress.
Yesterday the House Republicans had a closed door meeting and when Gaetz stood up to speak he was booed and a couple of Reps told him to sit down and shut up.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4265490-mccarthy-scolds-gaetz-in-gop-meeting-sit-your-ass-down/
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 20, 2023, 12:16 PM'Multiple rounds of voting have been necessary 16 times since 1789, most recently in October 2023. In the longest speaker election in House history, 133 ballots (cast over a two-month period) were needed before representatives chose Nathaniel Banks as their presiding officer for the 34th Congress (1855–1857).'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections#:~:text=Multiple%20rounds%20of%20voting%20have,Congress%20(1855%E2%80%931857).
One thing I know for sure is Hakeem Jeffries won't be speaker in this Congress.
That is a sure bet, lol.
The question that remains is will Hakeem Jeffries help Republicans to elect a Speaker, since Republicans seem unable to do it on their own.
Quote from: HighStepper on Oct 20, 2023, 12:22 PMThe question that remains is will Hakeem Jeffries help Republicans to elect a Speaker, since Republicans seem unable to do it on their own.
No, the Democrats keeping voting no so the days of cooperation are over.
It's one big clusterf_k.
repubs own this.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 20, 2023, 12:28 PMNo, the Democrats keeping voting no so the days of cooperation are over.
It's one big clusterf_k.
The Democrats have been united all along. It's ridiculous for anyone to blame the Dems for the Republicans' dysfunction. Even most Republicans know this.
The Republicans could try to compromise with the Democrats to give the Speaker Pro Tempore enough power that they could at least bring bills to the floor. But they're too fucked up even to do that.
Quote from: bats on Oct 20, 2023, 01:06 PMThe Democrats have been united all along.
Are they united with what the "Squad" has been saying the past two weeks?
The answer is no, in fact some such as Fetterman and Biden have called them out.
Both parties are dysfunctional and have fringe members who say crazy shit that are outside the mainstream.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 20, 2023, 01:19 PMAre they united with what the "Squad" has been saying the past two weeks?
The answer is no, in fact some such as Fetterman and Biden have called them out.
Both parties are dysfunctional and have fringe members who say crazy shit that are outside the mainstream.
I thought we were talking about the selection of a Speaker. Wasn't that the topic? *checks notes* Yes, it was!
Well shoot..... Jordan is a loser. Why give up so early? I was hoping he'd keep trying to gain more votes and at least outdo McCarthy by going through at least 16 rounds of votes.
Hakeem Jeffries(D-NY) has the full support of Dems in the House but he's a radical wacko who is bought and paid for by the Soros family, his views are way outside the mainstream. Go check out his Twitter/X posts, they are hilarious but the comments are even more funny.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 20, 2023, 03:01 PMHakeem Jeffries(D-NY) has the full support of Dems in the House but he's a radical wacko who is bought and paid for by the Soros family, his views are way outside the mainstream. Go check out his Twitter/X posts, they are hilarious but the comments are even more funny.
Seems unlikely they'd pick a Speaker whose views are outside the mainstream.
Then again, whenever I hear words falling out of Hannity's mouth, he's talking about the "radical socialist" left, so maybe it depends on what you consider mainstream.
Soros family believe in an open society, where equal treatment for all—regardless of ethnicity, religion, gender, disability, or sexual identity—as a fundamental part of healthy democracies. What's wrong with that? Seems pretty main stream to me.
Has given away over $32 Billion of his money. Double Eagle did well.
https://hakeemjeffries.com/issues/
yup, radical wacko, but Trump is just fine. lol
If it was on Tweeter it probably isn't true
The Soros foundation gives all their money to left-wing Democrats that hate America and are pro-criminal, they haven't donated to any Republican candidate. We took him in after WWII(even though he sold his own people out) and he became a billionaire and this is the thanks we get.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/
The Open Society funded the protestors who stormed the Capitol building the other day:
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/soros-backed-groups-storm-u-s-capitol-accuse-israel-of-genocide/
Jeffries tweets are from him(verified account), you can read them yourself:
https://twitter.com/RepJeffries
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 20, 2023, 06:38 PMThe Soros foundation gives all their money to left-wing Democrats that hate America and are pro-criminal, they haven't donated to any Republican candidate. We took him in after WWII(even though he sold his own people out) and he became a billionaire and this is the thanks we get.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/
The Open Society funded the protestors who stormed the Capitol building the other day:
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/soros-backed-groups-storm-u-s-capitol-accuse-israel-of-genocide/
Jefferies tweets are from him(verified account), you can read them yourself.
You may believe that Democrats "hate America" and are "pro-criminal," but those aren't serious interpretations.
Also, the protestors didn't "storm" the Capitol building. They entered a nearby office building legally and with permission.
If you've got some tweets to share from Jeffries, feel free.
12 Soros funded DA's have quit or have been recalled because of citizen outrage from rampant crime:
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/12-soros-backed-prosecutors-left-office-in-the-last-year-nonprofit-says-law-enforcement-legal-defense-fund-baltimores-marilyn-mosby-san-franciscos-chesa-boudin-and-tampas-andrew-warren
Whenever Soros funds a candidate I always vote for the other person.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 20, 2023, 07:08 PM12 Soros funded DA's have quit or have been recalled because of citizen outrage from rampant crime:
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/12-soros-backed-prosecutors-left-office-in-the-last-year-nonprofit-says-law-enforcement-legal-defense-fund-baltimores-marilyn-mosby-san-franciscos-chesa-boudin-and-tampas-andrew-warren
Whenever Soros funds a candidate I always vote for the other person.
Man, try to stay on topic. We've gone from you blaming Democrats for Republican dysfunction to saying Democrats are pro-criminal in a topic about the Speaker of the House.
The story you linked says nothing about "citizen outrage" or "rampant crime." It does say, however, that a group calling itself the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund (LELDF)
believes Soros-backed prosecutors are linked to "spiking crime rates." No facts were cited, as per usual.
Also, digging deeper, you see eight newly elected Soros-backed prosecutors. I guess there's no citizen outrage in those jurisdictions.
Quote from: bats on Oct 20, 2023, 08:44 PMAlso, digging deeper, you see eight newly elected Soros-backed prosecutors. I guess there's no citizen outrage in those jurisdictions.
That's because most Democrats are soft headed that don't do their research, they would vote for Josef Stalin if he had a (D) behind his name.
Hakeem Jeffries will never be speaker no matter how much he thinks he deserves it.
Remember when the SF DA was recalled last year? Yep it was due to rampant crime:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/08/chesa-boudin-san-francisco-district-attorney-recall-00038002#:~:text=Chesa%20Boudin%20was%20toppled%20by,and%20funded%20by%20business%20groups.&text=Voters%20have%20recalled%20San%20Francisco,movement%20toward%20more%20lenient%20prosecution.
No matter what Hakeem Jeffries' politics are or what people think of him the likelihood of him being House Speaker is not any better than that of most Republicans because the numbers are also against him. Even if all Democrats vote for him that's not enough. They'd need some Republican votes. Never going to happen. Also why would the Republican "hand over" control to Democrats? Never happening.
The Republicans will have a "forum" next Mon to try to figure out what to do next. Is it a job no Republican wants or no Republican can get enough votes for?
Results of next election might make numbers in each party different and their work less susceptible to being derailed by a minority but it sounds like that is way too long to wait to have a Speaker.
Now it feels to me like the Republicans are just "throwing spaghetti against a wall", spaghetti that also is not very sticky.
Tom Emmer won the closed door Republican caucus vote to be the House Speaker nominee. Then hours later he withdraws from his bid to Speaker after Donald Trump called him a RINO.
The weird thing about this is Trump is the biggest RINO (Republican In Name Only) around. He cannot even expressed Republican values. The long time Democrat before running as a Republican presidential candidate believed that the nation's economy ran better when Democrats were in control.Link (https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/index.html)
What is amazing to me is how Donald Trump has managed to hoodwink the majority of the Republicans that he is a Republican. Talk about a "wolf in sheep's clothing" Trump has managed to have chaos dominate the House of Representatives. Government failures suits Trump's purpose.
Kevin McCarthy has said he is willing to be speaker again but I doubt he will get enough votes, some Democrats will have to vote for him.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mccarthy-floats-partnership-jordan-assistant-house-speaker-rcna122037
Now Mike Johnson wants to be speaker.
Quote from: HighStepper on Oct 24, 2023, 02:23 PMTom Emmer won the closed door Republican caucus vote to be the House Speaker nominee. Then hours later he withdraws from his bid to Speaker after Donald Trump called him a RINO.
The weird thing about this is Trump is the biggest RINO (Republican In Name Only) around. He cannot even expressed Republican values. The long time Democrat before running as a Republican presidential candidate believed that the nation's economy ran better when Democrats were in control.Link (https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/index.html)
What is amazing to me is how Donald Trump has managed to hoodwink the majority of the Republicans that he is a Republican. Talk about a "wolf in sheep's clothing" Trump has managed to have chaos dominate the House of Representatives. Government failures suits Trump's purpose.
Some of those guys are genuine anti-democratic MAGA nuts, but I think most go along because they know the voters in their districts still think Trump is some messiah. Or maybe those voters
know what Trump is, and they
like it. (That's the scary version.)
your belfry will be filled here shortly. ax not hussein, the squad and the others tell you how to perform or what to do.
Quote from: bladegunner on Oct 24, 2023, 08:56 PMyour belfry will be filled here shortly. ax not hussein, the squad and the others tell you how to perform or what to do.
Can't you ever just spit it out in English? Why don't just say what you mean, rather than this cryptic bullshit?
@bats because I'm guessing he may be one of those from the "ancient times" that holds onto old tradition, even if less relevant in 2023 and feels one has to be discreet and use code for everything.....but this is not the ancient times and in theory this is a more private site where one can be more open, precise. and direct about what they say. That said, I do have one of only a few copies of the bladegunner-to-English dictionary for anyone that needs it! I'm willing to translate when necessary.
Alternate opinion: people are as they are. Instead of expecting them to be like you or adhere to a certain group dynamic, move on, ignore it, and allow them to be them as long as they are not breaking site rules. (kind of applies to your opinion of my posts too at times btw----my "useless" posts? .....your opinion as much as they are about BG's posts. Since you are (not) the owner or a mod on this site....keep on complaining.....)
As far as I know there is no blocking function here but I find that extremely useful on other sites....lol. If there was a blocking function here I'd recommend a block.....issue solved!
Quote from: dogwalker on Oct 25, 2023, 12:24 AM@bats because I'm guessing he may be one of those from the "ancient times" that holds onto old tradition, even if less relevant in 2023 and feels one has to be discreet and use code for everything.....but this is not the ancient times and in theory this is a more private site where one can be more open, precise. and direct about what they say. That said, I do have one of only a few copies of the bladegunner-to-English dictionary for anyone that needs it! I'm willing to translate when necessary.
Alternate opinion: people are as they are. Instead of expecting them to be like you or adhere to a certain group dynamic, move on, ignore it, and allow them to be them as long as they are not breaking site rules. (kind of applies to your opinion of my posts too at times btw----my "useless" posts? .....your opinion as much as they are about BG's posts. Since you are (not) the owner or a mod on this site....keep on complaining.....)
As far as I know there is no blocking function here but I find that extremely useful on other sites....lol. If there was a blocking function here I'd recommend a block.....issue solved!
dog, as usual, you offered your opinion where nobody asked and where it didn't concern you. I know blade, and he can take a suggestion from me without getting butt-hurt and without you butting in. But thanks for your concern. ::)
totally agree, waste of time nonsense. take it someplace else. this isn't elementary school
Quote from: bats on Oct 24, 2023, 11:44 PMCan't you ever just spit it out in English? Why don't just say what you mean, rather than this cryptic bullshit?
Mike Johnson still thinks Trump is President. These MAGA nuts aren't smart enough to be elected dog catcher.
Looks like Mike Johnson will be the new speaker, of course every Democrat voted for Jeffries.
The days of cooperation with Democrats are over.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 25, 2023, 10:36 AMLooks like Mike Johnson will be the new speaker, of course every Democrat voted for Jeffries.
The days of cooperation with Democrats are over.
More surprisingly every Republican voted for Mike Johnson.
Johnson from Louisiana was elected to Congress in 2016 and has kept a relatively low profile since then though he is very socially conservative and a solid part of the Trumpist right wing of the party. Johnson served on Donald Trump's legal defense team during his first impeachment. Link (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/25/who-is-mike-johnson-republican-2020-election)
Johnson is an election denier that vote against certifying the 2020 election results.
North Korea might be reading this so everything should be coded to be safe, right?
The problem with that hypothesis in then no one else can understand it either which would make all posts irrelevant.
Back on topic though, I'm shocked there is a new House Speaker.
I thought they'd wait until 2 sec before a crisis to do anything,
so congratulations to them for getting something important done.
Now how long will Johnson last? (only until his Viagra wears off----bad joke!)
emergency retrieval.
maybe not a bad move.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 25, 2023, 10:36 AMLooks like Mike Johnson will be the new speaker, of course every Democrat voted for Jeffries.
The days of cooperation with Democrats are over.
Reportedly, the Democrats offered to work with the Republicans to elect a speaker who met two basic requirements. First, the new speaker couldn't be some right-wing nutcase who believed (or at least took the public position) that the 2020 election was stolen. Second, the Democrats wanted a speaker who would agree to bring to the floor for an up-or-down vote issues with broad bipartisan support.
But since Trump and his anti-democracy base control the Republicans, they couldn't come up with anyone who met those basic tests. Thus, we have Mike Johnson, the least experienced speaker in over 100 years.
Blaming Democrats here is like taking the fire department to task for being unable to extinguish a fire after public works cut off the water supply.
Quote from: bats on Oct 26, 2023, 02:42 AMReportedly, the Democrats offered to work with the Republicans to elect a speaker who met two basic requirements.
I don't believe that statement bats, do you have a link?
They voted McCarthy out even though he is a moderate and was willing to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats, every vote for speaker they chose Hakeem Jeffries who is a radical. So now they get a MAGA speaker that won't work with them, like I said earlier, be careful what you wish for.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 26, 2023, 07:48 AMI don't believe that statement bats, do you have a link?
They voted McCarthy out even though he is a moderate and was willing to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats, every vote for speaker they chose Hakeem Jeffries who is a radical. So now they get a MAGA speaker that won't work with them, like I said earlier, be careful what you wish for.
THEY didn't bring up the vote to oust him, they just went along with the REPUBLICANS who did
Quote from: Blkfyre on Oct 26, 2023, 08:26 AMTHEY didn't bring up the vote to oust him, they just went along with the REPUBLICANS who did
True but it was a childish move: "I'm going to cut off my nose to spite my face!"
THAT, older white haired women, her evil bullying who said "SHUT UP" probably got paid. Mike Johnson is so full of himself. Look what I did. Yeah, his intention is to bully America. All of them at the stand tells me who they are. They are not peacemakers.
https://news.yahoo.com/us-house-speaker-tried-help-040400094.html
They used that women, made sure she was rude. Little does she know she will get harassed like she did. So stupid.
One thing we all know, all governments are corrupt. All of them. I support the least corrupt government. I support truth not some paid bull-shit.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Oct 26, 2023, 07:48 AMI don't believe that statement bats, do you have a link?
Jeffries--that wacko who is outside the mainstream, according to you--made a very public offer almost three weeks ago:
https://wapo.st/3QxBcA7
BOOM!
It is about to happen. Major changes and left wingers will be eating crow..
ChinaBiden lovers will see the major Liars......
Mike Johnson was awesome choice....
Quote from: Bande on Oct 26, 2023, 06:04 PMBOOM!
It is about to happen. Major changes and left wingers will be eating crow..
ChinaBiden lovers will see the major Liars......
Mike Johnson was awesome choice....
- Opposes abortion rights
- Opposes same-sex marriages
- Opposes separation of Church and State
- Opposes people's ability to chose their sexuality
- Opposes the electoral results of the 2020 election
How well he is in alignment with MAGA political views will not be the determining factor as to how good of a choice he was as Speaker.
The test will be can he govern. He has to deal with a slim Republican majority in the house, a Democratic control Senate, and a Democratic White House.
Mike Johnson is the mouthpiece for thug Mr. Trump/ The economy is just fine BUT the collective energy field of America is Pessimistic. The negative words and vibrations from Mr. Trump, Putin, China, No Korea, Hamas are bombing the minds of America (the world). November 2023, America Collective Pessimism is here. Too many humans are pouring too many negative thoughts into the Quantum Field.
I'm a TM meditator THAT was laughed at in a forum we all know about. Meditators in Washington DC, biggest crime month, August, made the crime go down. That's how powerful people's minds are. They do not want us to know how powerful we are.
https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/12452936/526826495132288160?hl=en
New speaker thinks they had dinosaurs on Noah's ark, because he thinks the earth is 6000 yrs old.
Blames divorce and abortion for mass shootings. Blames abortion for the reason social security must be cut, less bodies paying into it.
He was the #1 leader of overturning the election. Thus the big lie. How Christian of him.
We had a moderate speaker(McCarthy) but the Democrats voted him out, now we are stuck with a religious MAGA speaker.
Like I said before, be careful what you wish for.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 02, 2023, 09:48 AMWe had a moderate speaker(McCarthy) but the Democrats voted him out, now we are stuck with a religious MAGA speaker.
Like I said before, be careful what you wish for.
IMO, How the Democrats messed up was by not getting word to Tom Emmer, Republican whip, when he was a nominee for Speaker. Emmer voted to certify the 2020 election results and is not a Trump sycophant. The Democrats could have all "not voted" leaving the majority of voting republicans to electing the Speaker.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 02, 2023, 09:48 AMWe had a moderate speaker(McCarthy) but the Democrats voted him out, now we are stuck with a religious MAGA speaker.
Like I said before, be careful what you wish for.
McCarthy had the advantage of being a semi-normal human being compared to so many other Republicans today, but he proved he would do
anything to get the speakership. That is, until it was obvious he'd lost it, at which point he acted as though he was a man of principle. LOL
For Democrats, McCarthy's dishonesty made him unworthy of their support during his ouster by his fellow Republicans. (Again, blaming Democrats for that is missing the point by a wide margin.)
But, yes, for the moment we've got a MAGA nutcase in charge. But he's a weak speaker who gives the Democrats an advantage in 2024 not only because Trump's movement is dying but also because he doesn't have the fundraising ability of a McCarthy.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 02, 2023, 09:48 AMWe had a moderate speaker(McCarthy) but the Democrats voted him out, now we are stuck with a religious MAGA speaker.
Like I said before, be careful what you wish for.
You keep leaving out Republicans voted him out, Democrats just went along with it...