CBS ran a story, on election morning, about how the boarder has been closed and the asylum law has been changed since June.
And the numbers used in boarder crossings are missing leading.
They use the term contacts, it could be the same person 10 times that got denied.
So 10 million in 2 years isn't even close to real number.
Just watch. Hoards of illegal immigrants will be pouring over the border while they still can. Trump will decrease the crossings when he's back in office.
Quote from: Rockeyhard on Nov 07, 2024, 08:37 PMJust watch. Hoards of illegal immigrants will be pouring over the border while they still can. Trump will decrease the crossings when he's back in office.
You probably right immigrants will be trying to come into the US by the thousands. Biden won't lift a finger to stop them. I am all for legal immigration, it's what built our country. But allowing entering the US illegally not stopping it is not protecting our nation the president swears to do. All of our resources to aide and support immigrants who arrived legally is swamped. So not only does illegal immigration hurt our economy it hurts those here legally.
Mayor Adams of NYC stopped the free money the other day, it was a waste of taxpayer money to begin with. Chicago is another illegal sanctuary city and the residents have had enough of the giveaways.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 02:14 PMMayor Adams of NYC stopped the free money the other day, it was a waste of taxpayer money to begin with. Chicago is another illegal sanctuary city and the residents have had enough of the giveaways.
Texas should probably stop sending them to New York then, so that as a proper republican, he can give them nothing, right?
That, more than anything will stop those idiot libs from giving away money, right?
Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 08, 2024, 02:23 PMTexas should probably stop sending them to New York then, so that as a proper republican, he can give them nothing, right?
That, more than anything will stop those idiot libs from giving away money, right?
Why should Texas or any other state have to feed or house them?
If you can't take care of yourself then GTFO.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 04:05 PMWhy should Texas or any other state have to feed or house them?
If you can't take care of yourself then GTFO.
So you've changed your stance on this? If they
can take care of themselves, is it okay with you for them to stay? lol
Quote from: bats on Nov 08, 2024, 06:04 PMSo you've changed your stance on this? If they can take care of themselves, is it okay with you for them to stay? lol
If they're law-abiding and working I don't have a problem, the problem is many of them are coming here to commit crimes.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 06:57 PMIf they're law-abiding and working I don't have a problem, the problem is many of them are coming here to commit crimes.
Could you link us to some statistics that say that? I don't remember seeing that many of them were doing that. Also, what's "many"?
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 04:05 PMWhy should Texas or any other state have to feed or house them?
If you can't take care of yourself then GTFO.
They shouldn't. They should send them right back over the border like you and other conservatives say California should do, right?
Quote from: Rockeyhard on Nov 07, 2024, 08:37 PMJust watch. Hoards of illegal immigrants will be pouring over the border while they still can. Trump will decrease the crossings when he's back in office.
The border is closed. Get a clue
Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 08, 2024, 07:12 PMThey shouldn't. They should send them right back over the border like you and other conservatives say California should do, right?
Deportation is a Federal matter not a state matter, the senile dear leader and the VP who is in charge of the border aren't doing their jobs.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 08, 2024, 07:10 PMCould you link us to some statistics that say that? I don't remember seeing that many of them were doing that. Also, what's "many"?
Google is your friend...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/group-illegals-used-blowtorches-cellphone-jammers-disguises-rob-banks-across-multiple-states-feds
https://www.propublica.org/article/chinese-organized-crime-gift-cards-american-retail
https://nypost.com/2024/11/04/us-news/execution-style-slay-in-texas-pinned-on-tren-de-aragua/
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 06:57 PMIf they're law-abiding and working I don't have a problem, the problem is many of them are coming here to commit crimes.
Assuming the Precrime unit hasn't yet been established, should an immigrant properly seeking asylum be able to stay even if they haven't yet found employment?
(You don't have to answer. I'm just messing with you.)
Quote from: Danno on Nov 08, 2024, 07:18 PMThe border is closed. Get a clue
The border is hardly closed. They have many hoodwinked.
You visit the border and tell me what you see.
I know 1st hand it is not closed.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 08, 2024, 07:12 PMThey shouldn't. They should send them right back over the border like you and other conservatives say California should do, right?
Many countries to enter one must show they can sustain themselves while visiting.
To get residency one must show a consistent income to live or put $$$$$ in a account to show they are not a burden.
These illegals are here on our tax dollars, that means each and everyone of us pay for it while our citizens and veterans suffer homelessness. I guess many are ok with that.
Quote from: Bande on Nov 08, 2024, 09:01 PMMany countries to enter one must show they can sustain themselves while visiting.
To get residency one must show a consistent income to live or put $$$$$ in a account to show they are not a burden.
These illegals are here on our tax dollars, that means each and everyone of us pay for it while our citizens and veterans suffer homelessness. I guess many are ok with that.
We've previously discussed the fact that undocumented immigrants contribute significantly to the federal and state governments through taxes. And some of those taxes go to programs like Social Security and Medicare, that the undocumented don't even benefit from.
Immigration should be managed, and both parties have failed in that task. The claim that illegal immigrants contribute to the homelessness of veterans and other lawful citizens is baseless, but that's the kind of hate that Trump has been selling.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 02:14 PMMayor Adams of NYC stopped the free money the other day, it was a waste of taxpayer money to begin with. Chicago is another illegal sanctuary city and the residents have had enough of the giveaways.
I think if a family illegal or not was homeless and starving I would take them into custody give them food shelter and minimum medical then arrange for them to leave our country. Yeah I know they should not be here illegally in the first place but children involved it's only right to help them.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 07:30 PMGoogle is your friend...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/group-illegals-used-blowtorches-cellphone-jammers-disguises-rob-banks-across-multiple-states-feds
https://www.propublica.org/article/chinese-organized-crime-gift-cards-american-retail
https://nypost.com/2024/11/04/us-news/execution-style-slay-in-texas-pinned-on-tren-de-aragua/
So, SOME illegals are committing crimes:
First story - "
A group of illegal immigrants",
Second story - "
some of the individuals who were arrested were within weeks to months of being encountered illegally crossing the southern border."
Third story - "
Three illegal migrants"
How, exactly, does that qualify for "many"????
There are more natural born white citizens in a single block of Houston Texas than in those three stories...
Quote from: Bande on Nov 08, 2024, 09:01 PMMany countries to enter one must show they can sustain themselves while visiting.
To get residency one must show a consistent income to live or put $$$$$ in a account to show they are not a burden.
These illegals are here on our tax dollars, that means each and everyone of us pay for it while our citizens and veterans suffer homelessness. I guess many are ok with that.
How are they here on your tax dollars?
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 04:05 PMWhy should Texas or any other state have to feed or house them?
If you can't take care of yourself then GTFO.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 07:28 PMDeportation is a Federal matter not a state matter, the senile dear leader and the VP who is in charge of the border aren't doing their jobs.
Hmmm, so it's a Federal issue, not a state one, yet the conservatives in this forum constantly ragged on Newsom for the illegal problem in California when Trump was President.
I guess it was Trump who wasn't doing his job then huh?
Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 09, 2024, 12:03 AMHmmm, so it's a Federal issue, not a state one, yet the conservatives in this forum constantly ragged on Newsom for the illegal problem in California when Trump was President.
I guess it was Trump who wasn't doing his job then huh?
No we were ragging on Democrats, it was California Democrats who passed the law that forbad LE from contacting ICE.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 09, 2024, 06:47 AMNo we were ragging on Democrats, it was California Democrats who passed the law that forbad LE from contacting ICE.
So, states rights are everything when it comes to YOUR interests, but states shouldn't have any right to do as they want when you don't like it.
Got it
Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 09, 2024, 10:06 AMSo, states rights are everything when it comes to YOUR interests, but states shouldn't have any right to do as they want when you don't like it.
Got it
Only if they make sense, Democrats have no common sense.
Got it?
Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 08, 2024, 07:10 PMCould you link us to some statistics that say that? I don't remember seeing that many of them were doing that. Also, what's "many"?
It wouldn't make any difference to you if he linked a 1000 crimes illegals have committed here. You must be sleeping if you don't believe illegals in the US are committing crimes.
Quote from: Hobby on Nov 09, 2024, 11:32 AMIt wouldn't make any difference to you if he linked a 1000 crimes illegals have committed here. You must be sleeping if you don't believe illegals in the US are committing crimes.
I am sure they are. I am also sure that the crimes committed by natural born citizens FAR eclipse that of illegal aliens.
I am also sure that the "many" illegals committing crimes is just another republican scare tactic against brown people...
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 09, 2024, 11:22 AMOnly if they make sense, Democrats have no common sense.
Got it?
So, if a law doesn't make sense to the people of the state as opposed to the government, it should be struck down?
You know, like the laws making abortion illegal in many republican states: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/05/politics/abortion-state-ballot-measure-dg
As everyone knows when a person enters our country unauthorized or over stays their visa or work permit they have committed a felony. So to saw undocumented migrantes don't or haven't committed a crime is false.
When illegals are apprehended for a crime they usually have committed dozens before they were caught and often they just pay a fine and released. When criminals arrive at a reception prison they are tested for their education and if they speak English. If they fail the test they are put into a school at the prison. Grades 1 to 12 and taught English. After they serve their sentence they may be deported or released.
It's a total waste of money to educate illegals. We need federal prison work camps where the illegal is paid to work at minimum wage until they have repaid the cost of imprisonment any fines and retribution and earn the money to send them out of our country.
I don't want anyone here illegally. I do want an extreme increase in legalized immigration. Our nation's population is dropping. We need more people joining the work force, paying into social security and paying taxes. We cannot sustain our current benefits with a dwindling population.
Whether some Americans like it or not, we need more coming across the border, not less.
prior discussion on this topic. https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=22327
The Onion reported on the border...
Blocking our border really won't stop illegals from crossing. The United States needs to first go into Mexico and take out, and destroy all the drug cartels. Next identify and declare corrupt officials as enemies and terrorist who have allowed cartels to operate and imprison them. We need to take over Mexico and punish all those who break the law. Then we move south to the next country and so on. We give back opportunity and freedom to the good citizens of those countries. We have the most powerful military in the world what's the point of being number one if we allow other countries to poison us? The US can make it where people thrive and do well in their country and not want to come here. We just need to stop trying to control our border by helping people reclaim their home country.
Quote from: Hobby on Nov 09, 2024, 04:51 PMBlocking our border really won't stop illegals from crossing. The United States needs to first go into Mexico and take out, and destroy all the drug cartels. Next identify and declare corrupt officials as enemies and terrorist who have allowed cartels to operate and imprison them. We need to take over Mexico and punish all those who break the law. Then we move south to the next country and so on. We give back opportunity and freedom to the good citizens of those countries. We have the most powerful military in the world what's the point of being number one if we allow other countries to poison us? The US can make it where people thrive and do well in their country and not want to come here. We just need to stop trying to control our border by helping people reclaim their home country.
It's bad form to invade neighboring countries. We save that shit for the Middle East and parts of Asia.
Quote from: Hobby on Nov 09, 2024, 04:51 PMBlocking our border really won't stop illegals from crossing. The United States needs to first go into Mexico and take out, and destroy all the drug cartels. Next identify and declare corrupt officials as enemies and terrorist who have allowed cartels to operate and imprison them. We need to take over Mexico and punish all those who break the law. Then we move south to the next country and so on. We give back opportunity and freedom to the good citizens of those countries. We have the most powerful military in the world what's the point of being number one if we allow other countries to poison us? The US can make it where people thrive and do well in their country and not want to come here. We just need to stop trying to control our border by helping people reclaim their home country.
Aren't people complaining about Russia doing to to Ukraine?
Quote from: Zep on Nov 09, 2024, 03:15 PMI don't want anyone here illegally. I do want an extreme increase in legalized immigration. Our nation's population is dropping. We need more people joining the work force, paying into social security and paying taxes. We cannot sustain our current benefits with a dwindling population.
Whether some Americans like it or not, we need more coming across the border, not less.
This is THE position. Not the unfiltered last few years of anyone from anywhere version of migration
Quote from: bligslick on Nov 10, 2024, 02:01 AMThis is THE position. Not the unfiltered last few years of anyone from anywhere version of migration
Yet you voted AGAINST that position. Trump's model for immigration is Viktor Orban's Hungary. A few years ago Orban said this:
"It's my personal conviction that migration leads in the end to the destruction of nations and states." Trump doesn't want to increase legal immigration. Remember, he's the guy who said immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country."
As to his mass deportation program, he says he'll start with criminals, but he wants ALL undocumented immigrants out, and he doesn't care if some lawful residents get swept up in the process:
Quote from: bats on Nov 10, 2024, 02:56 AMYet you voted AGAINST that position. Trump's model for immigration is Viktor Orban's Hungary. A few years ago Orban said this:
"It's my personal conviction that migration leads in the end to the destruction of nations and states."
Trump doesn't want to increase legal immigration. Remember, he's the guy who said immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country."
As to his mass deportation program, he says he'll start with criminals, but he wants ALL undocumented immigrants out, and he doesn't care if some lawful residents get swept up in the process:
LMAO
Yet, no complaints when Obama deported 3 million during his 2 terms...
Deport all the Illegals starting with the Criminals... No other Country allows this, why should the States allow it?
Yes, some lawful residents may get swept up if they choose to keep family together.. Asta...
I must say since Trump was elected the mass influx has decreased in Tijuana..
Lets see if this continues...
So, Either the leftists stepped up the illegal flights to the States or they got the point that that open Border is OVER..
Quote from: Bande on Nov 28, 2024, 05:26 PMLMAO
Yet, no complaints when Obama deported 3 million during his 2 terms...
Deport all the Illegals starting with the Criminals... No other Country allows this, why should the States allow it?
Yes, some lawful residents may get swept up if they choose to keep family together.. Asta...
Previous administrations have attempted to manage immigration within budgetary and legal constraints. Trump promises to act as if he has no constraints.
It's all part of the strongman fantasy that Trump is selling and that so many, unfortunately, are buying.
He didn't complete the fence he promised 4 years ago.
How long does it take to Make America Great Again? 4 years? 40 years? Never since nothing is ever perfect?
Why wasn't it as great as it could be after Trump's first term? His byline really should be Make America Great Again (again) but that admits some degree of failure in his first term.
Blig is 100% correct for all the reasons he mentioned. We need legal immigration and a system that works. Neither party has been interested in fixing it for decades (term limits will go a long way to help fix shit like this). This does NOT mean that the millions (whether Danno wants to admit the number is irrelevant) of illegal aliens who entered our country criminally get to stay here! My heart will be happy to see planes, trains, and automobiles of illegals deported out of our borders, kids and all. NO, I am not compassionate.
I'm all for the military going into Mexico and exterminating the drug cartels to the best of their capability (It is not the same as Russia/Ukraine simply put, we don't want the fucking land, just kill all the cartel members). But, if we do that, it will dry up all the CIA drug money that the stupid US drug addict populations supplies to them for all their sneaky shit.
Mr D Walker, Trump was hamstrung at EVERY turn; the demtards are a no brainer, but fucking Paul Ryan is to blame for the slow start along with all the other RINOS (McCain certainly didn't help because his feelings were hurt by Trump's STUPID comment about POW's etc. Trump was certainly an asshole and I'm not sure he has learned his lesson on this point) in getting the wall built. Combine that with the now proven hoax that was the politically motivated Russia investigation, impeachment and all the other shit, and it's any wonder that he got anything done at all. Add to that, that fucking little weasel face Fauci and his gain of function CHINA virus that just "happened" to escape China JUST before a Presidential election. I don't care what anybody says, that's what happened. Add to THAT, all of the medical harm that little fucker did to the world population, along with fucking Gates, with the completely ineffective and harm causing vaccine and the lives it ruined. Fuck that guy.
I think the best thing that happened to the US, WAS that Biden/Harris, and the MIRACULOUS 15 million votes that existed on election night, but have never been seen again, took office. It only took about three years for the normal American population to see what a total shit show those Idiots, and all their DEI appointments, caused for our country. I certainly hope that Trump/Vance is able to complete more of his agenda with the clear mandate they were given by the normal American people.
You can fill in the next eight pages of this rant, if you like.
Ah so Trump is not all powerful after all.......
Quote from: kidinacandystore on Nov 29, 2024, 08:30 AMI'm all for the military going into Mexico and exterminating the drug cartels to the best of their capability (It is not the same as Russia/Ukraine simply put, we don't want the fucking land, just kill all the cartel members). But, if we do that, it will dry up all the CIA drug money that the stupid US drug addict populations supplies to them for all their sneaky shit.
Isn't that invading another country because you don't believe in their sovereignty basically doing what Russia is doing to Ukraine, we can see how well that has turned out and how well the rest of the world is responding. And with that thinking, what would stop Russia from invading us for some bullshit reason? And why would any other country give a damn after we just showed them we don't give a damn about THEIR borders either?
QuoteMr D Walker, Trump was hamstrung at EVERY turn; the demtards are a no brainer, but fucking Paul Ryan is to blame for the slow start along with all the other RINOS (McCain certainly didn't help because his feelings were hurt by Trump's STUPID comment about POW's etc. Trump was certainly an asshole and I'm not sure he has learned his lesson on this point) in getting the wall built. Combine that with the now proven hoax that was the politically motivated Russia investigation, impeachment and all the other shit, and it's any wonder that he got anything done at all. Add to that, that fucking little weasel face Fauci and his gain of function CHINA virus that just "happened" to escape China JUST before a Presidential election. I don't care what anybody says, that's what happened. Add to THAT, all of the medical harm that little fucker did to the world population, along with fucking Gates, with the completely ineffective and harm causing vaccine and the lives it ruined. Fuck that guy.
For part of his term, Trump had the majority in both sides of congress, so blaming anyone other than him for his not passing things is disingenuous. By definition,
his own party had to vote against him for him not to do things. Trump wasn't a strong enough leader to get his people in line for what he said EVERYBODY wanted. He couldn't get enough support for something that he says was destroying the country. Kinda a classic example of a poor leader huh?
Quote from: kidinacandystore on Nov 29, 2024, 08:30 AMI'm all for the military going into Mexico and exterminating the drug cartels to the best of their capability (It is not the same as Russia/Ukraine simply put, we don't want the fucking land, just kill all the cartel members)...
Y'all have short selective memories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQukb6A_0bs
Americans Killed By Cartel In MexicoAt least nine U.S. citizens, including six children, who lived in a Mormon community in northern Mexico were killed Monday in a hail of gunfire. The families are members of the La Mora settlement, a decades-old community in Sonora state founded as an offshoot of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
November 5, 2019 the master tweeter, Donald Trump said. "This is the time for Mexico, with the help of the United States, to wage WAR on the drug cartels and wipe them off the face of the earth. Mexico's president, Lopez Obrador rejected Trump's call for a "war" with the cartels. "The worst that we could see is war," he said. "I always say politics was invented to avoid war... War is irrational. We are for peace. It is a characteristic of this new government." Link (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lebaron-mexico-family-reports-murder-relatives-including-children-suspected-drug-cartel-attack-2019-11-05/)
What did Bibi Netanyahu prime minister of Israel do when Hamas killed Israeli citizens...he bombed the fuck out of them vowing to destroy them. Trump is big on talk, that people just love to suck up.
This to me this was our justification to go in and annihilate the offending cartels.
Video length 1:31 minutes
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 04:05 PMWhy should Texas or any other state have to feed or house them?
If you can't take care of yourself then GTFO.
Once they are here they have to eat or they commit crime. Cheaper to just feed them until they can be deported than to lock them up
Quote from: kidinacandystore on Nov 29, 2024, 08:30 AMYou can fill in the next eight pages of this rant, if you like.
No need. You've pretty much covered the main unproven (and disproven) conspiracy theories spread by Trump and his right-wing supporters.
And it's no surprise that right-wingers would claim that the only reason Trump couldn't make America great again in his first term is that everything was rigged against him. EVERYTHING Trump fails to do is because the opposition rigged the game against him. Jesus, the propaganda works wonders.
I could go over this point-by-point, but I don't think anyone who hasn't figured it out by now would be swayed.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 10, 2024, 12:30 AMAren't people complaining about Russia doing to to Ukraine?
Russia invaded Ukraine to take the land not because Ukrainians were migrating to Russia in droves and smuggling lethal drugs into Russia. The UnitedcStates has every right to stop illegals and drug trafficking anyway we can. Biden diplomacy isn't and hasn't worked.
Quote from: Hobby on Nov 29, 2024, 08:41 PMRussia invaded Ukraine to take the land not because Ukrainians were migrating to Russia in droves and smuggling lethal drugs into Russia. The UnitedcStates has every right to stop illegals and drug trafficking anyway we can. Biden diplomacy isn't and hasn't worked.
Stopping them at our borders sure. He proposed we just go into another country and make war on some of their citizens (criminals sure, but still their citizens) and justify that by "keeping our borders safe"
Quote from: Blkfyre on Dec 01, 2024, 09:35 AMStopping them at our borders sure. He proposed we just go into another country and make war on some of their citizens (criminals sure, but still their citizens) and justify that by "keeping our borders safe"
Time for history...
In 1915 Pres Wilson(D) order the US Army to go into Mexico to capture banditos, that expeditionary force was commanded by Gen Pershing and George S Patton.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Dec 01, 2024, 09:35 AMStopping them at our borders sure. He proposed we just go into another country and make war on some of their citizens (criminals sure, but still their citizens) and justify that by "keeping our borders safe"
Yes Trump should go in when the leaders of the country allow drug trafficking to take place having the US their prime customer. So you would say terrorists are citizens despite all they have killed? Trump needs to send in our military to destroy the Cartel and make them an example what to expect if they kill Americans.
Quote from: Hobby on Dec 01, 2024, 12:26 PMYes Trump should go in when the leaders of the country allow drug trafficking to take place having the US their prime customer. So you would say terrorists are citizens despite all they have killed? Trump needs to send in our military to destroy the Cartel and make them an example what to expect if they kill Americans.
There are American citizens who have committed crimes against Mexico, who have facilitated those border crossings, who are just as responsible for the drug trade.
So you would be OK with Mexico sending troops into Texas and California and killing our citizens without regard for our laws or due process?
Quote from: Hobby on Dec 01, 2024, 12:26 PMYes Trump should go in when the leaders of the country allow drug trafficking to take place having the US their prime customer. So you would say terrorists are citizens despite all they have killed? Trump needs to send in our military to destroy the Cartel and make them an example what to expect if they kill Americans.
America is just as responsible for the drug trade, or do you think ONLY Mexican drug dealers are here? And yes, regardless of their crimes they are citizens, just like the American coyotes or drug mules or drug dealers are our citizens.
Stupidity or committing crimes doesn't strip your citizenship, or have you read about some laws someplace I have not?
Quote from: Romanticlover on Dec 01, 2024, 10:26 AMTime for history...
In 1915 Pres Wilson(D) order the US Army to go into Mexico to capture banditos, that expeditionary force was commanded by Gen Pershing and George S Patton.
Thank you Romanticlover for that bit of history. I did not know that.
As part of a campaign against U.S. interests in Northern Mexico, Pancho Villa's forces attacked U.S. mining executives in Mexico on January 9, 1916, provoking public anger in the United States, especially in Texas.
Villa's forces then raided the town of Columbus, New Mexico, on March 9, 1916, resulting in the death of sixteen Americans and much larger casualties for Villa's forces.Brigadier General John J. Pershing led a force of 12,000 soldiers, cavalry, observation aircraft, and motorized supply vehicles into Mexico. The expedition penetrated 419 miles into Mexico, but failed to capture Villa. Villa's popularity grew as the Americans pursued him, and his band grew to about 5,000. Wilson ordered Pershing to withdraw in January 1917.
Wilson also attempted to appease Mexican President Venustiano Carranza by
claiming that the raid was conducted "with scrupulous regard for the sovereignty of Mexico." Nevertheless, Carranza regarded Wilson's actions as a violation of Mexican sovereignty and refused to aid the U.S. expedition.For more background see: U.S. State Dept. Archive (https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/wwi/108653.htm#:~:text=Pancho%20Villa's%20forces%20then%20raided,United%20States%20despite%20the%20raid.)
Quote from: Romanticlover on Dec 01, 2024, 10:26 AMTime for history...
In 1915 Pres Wilson(D) order the US Army to go into Mexico to capture banditos, that expeditionary force was commanded by Gen Pershing and George S Patton.
Time for some history...
President Wilson was a racist who hated Black voters who had broken away from the Republican party to vote "progressive". He failed to address Jim Crow laws and his administration practiced active segrigation.
He also signed the 1924 National Origins Quota Act (A.K.A. The Johnson-Reed Act), the American government for the first time set strict limits on the number of immigrants permitted into the United States. Seeking to not only limit the number of immigrants but also the racial and ethnic make-up of those hoping to start a new life in the United States, the quotas deliberately targeted migrants from Asia, Eastern and Southern Europe who nativists argued were 'unfit' and unassimilable.
No wonder he had no problem sending in troops to take care of all the brown people...
Yes, this is someone we should want to emulate...Oh wait, that would be a perfect person a Trump fan would want to be like, my bad...
I knew all that about Pres Wilson, he was a typical Democrat.
Now look up what Pres Lyndon Johnson(D) thought of black folks, the first Pres Johnson was also evil.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Dec 01, 2024, 04:04 PMI knew all that about Pres Wilson, he was a typical Democrat.
Now look up what Pres Lyndon Johnson(D) thought of black folks, the first Pres Johnson was also evil.
Wait, why are we changing the subject? You brought up Wilson as an example of us doing something patently illegal and it being ok because the President said so.
I replied showing that the President you wanted us to emulate now was a piece of trash person so why should we want to follow his example.
So why are we whatabouting away to another person?
Quote from: Blkfyre on Dec 01, 2024, 03:28 PMNo wonder he had no problem sending in troops to take care of all the brown people...
It is not as simple as claiming racism. The whole country was composed of "brown people." It was more about political alignment.
Pancho Villa, the Mexican revolutionary leader who controlled much of northeastern Mexico during 1914 and 1915, experienced military setbacks after breaking with the Carranza government and being subjected to a U.S. arms embargo. The Wilson Administration supported Carranza as the legitimate Mexican head of state and hoped that U.S. support could end Mexican political instability during the revolutionary period. Prior to the Mexican Revolution, the U.S.-Mexico border had been only lightly policed. The instability of the revolution led to an increased U.S. military presence, while U.S. citizens along the border often sympathized or aided the various factions in Mexico.
Again, For more background see: U.S. State Dept. Archive (https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/wwi/108653.htm#:~:text=Pancho%20Villa's%20forces%20then%20raided,United%20States%20despite%20the%20raid.)
Quote from: Blkfyre on Dec 01, 2024, 04:13 PMWait, why are we changing the subject? You brought up Wilson as an example of us doing something patently illegal and it being ok because the President said so.
I replied showing that the President you wanted us to emulate now was a piece of trash person so why should we want to follow his example.
So why are we whatabouting away to another person?
I was merely pointing out Wilson was a racist and actually sent troops into Mexico, Trump isn't President yet and hasn't sent troops into Mexico yet. What Wilson did was real but what Trump might do is hypothetical.
TDS is strong with some of you guys.
Yes Johnson was a real piece of work. He lied to the American people saying how well the US was doing in Vietnam. Johnson was a racist for sure. Times were much different when Wilson was president. It is unfair to judge a president from over 100 years ago by today's standards.
Quote from: HighStepper on Dec 01, 2024, 04:18 PMIt is not as simple as claiming racism. The whole country was composed of "brown people." It was more about political alignment.
Pancho Villa, the Mexican revolutionary leader who controlled much of northeastern Mexico during 1914 and 1915, experienced military setbacks after breaking with the Carranza government and being subjected to a U.S. arms embargo. The Wilson Administration supported Carranza as the legitimate Mexican head of state and hoped that U.S. support could end Mexican political instability during the revolutionary period. Prior to the Mexican Revolution, the U.S.-Mexico border had been only lightly policed. The instability of the revolution led to an increased U.S. military presence, while U.S. citizens along the border often sympathized or aided the various factions in Mexico.
Again, For more background see: U.S. State Dept. Archive (https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/wwi/108653.htm#:~:text=Pancho%20Villa's%20forces%20then%20raided,United%20States%20despite%20the%20raid.)
Fair enough, but from your link:
"Wilson also attempted to mollify Mexican President Venustiano Carranza by claiming that the raid was conducted "with scrupulous regard for the sovereignty of Mexico."
Nevertheless, Carranza regarded Wilson's actions as a violation of Mexican sovereignty and refused to aid the U.S. expedition."
So, they quite rightly thought that Wilson was violating their boarders and nation. Back in 1915 not a whole lot would have come from that but in 2024, it would be a different story.
Quote from: Hobby on Dec 01, 2024, 04:21 PMYes Johnson was a real piece of work. He lied to the American people saying how well the US was doing in Vietnam. Johnson was a racist for sure. Times were much different when Wilson was president. It is unfair to judge a president from over 100 years ago by today's standards.
And similarly, using a president from over 100 years ago to justify doing the wrong they did wouldn't fly by today's standards either.
Whatever military action is taken, Americans can rest assured in the knowledge that an experienced weekend TV personality from Fox News will head the Department of Defense.
Johnson recorded himself saying terrible things, he was like the Hunter Biden of his time. lol
This one always cracks me up...
Quote from: Romanticlover on Dec 01, 2024, 04:04 PMNow look up what Pres Lyndon Johnson(D) thought of black folks
Quote from: Hobby on Dec 01, 2024, 04:21 PM...Johnson was a racist for sure...
WTF are you guys talking about. I was there. I don't know where you guys were.
Johnson said, "Until justice is blind to color, until education is unaware of race, until opportunity is unconcerned with the color of men's skins, emancipation will be a proclamation but not a fact."Johnson with his Southern accent had difficulty pronouncing "Negro."
Yet, he did more than JFK or any president since Lincoln when it came to Civil Rights for black people. His record was, very good for a Southern politician in his era. Early in his career, LBJ had been a quiet integrationist as the head of a National Youth Administration program. Johnson was one of only two Southern senators to refuse to sign the Southern Manifesto in 1956. Johnson guided the passage of the first civil rights bill since Reconstruction in 1957.
On July 2, 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the historic Civil Rights Act into law. He had use a lot of his political capital to get it through Congress. There were significant political repercussions. Many Southern Democrats, who were opposed to the civil rights legislation, began to shift their allegiance to the Republican Party.
Johnson was so racist he started a war on poverty.
Quote from: thaikhan on Dec 02, 2024, 04:06 PMJohnson was so racist he started a war on poverty.
The War on Poverty was a series of programs and legislation introduced by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964 to address the country's high poverty rate:
Goals
The War on Poverty's goals included:• Improving schools, health, homes, training, and job opportunities
• Providing temporary assistance
• Fighting discrimination
• Improving regional economies
• Rehabilitating urban and rural communities
Programs
The War on Poverty led to the creation of many programs, including:• Social Security
• Medicaid
• Food stamps (later the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP)
• Head Start
• Housing assistance
• Job Corps
Legislation
Congress passed many major pieces of legislation during Johnson's term, including:• The Civil Rights Act
• The Economic Opportunity Act
• The Food Stamp Act
• Elementary and Secondary Education Act
• The Manpower Act
• Medicare
• The Higher Education Act
• The Child Nutrition Ac
Impact
The War on Poverty led to a drop in the poverty rate from 22.2% to 12.6% between 1963 and 1970. The War on Poverty also led to the creation of other foundational elements of the current social welfare system, including:
The Civil Rights Act
The Food Stamp Act
The Elementary and Secondary Education Act
The Manpower Act
Medicare
Medicaid
The Higher Education Act
The Child Nutrition Act
We need another War on Poverty