President Trump through EO order the Army Core of Enineers to release water in California to fight wildfires fires. This is really good LA needs all the water it can get. Only problem is the two resivors opened Kaweah Lake and Success Lake in Tulare county none of that water can ever reach Southern California. No aqueduct system or canels. The water stored is for irrigation in Tulare County. I doubt Trump was informed any of this. The water will flow west out to the Tulare Lake... it is huge waste of water.
Quote from: Hobby on Feb 06, 2025, 12:13 PMPresident Trump through EO order the Army Core of Enineers to release water in California to fight wildfires fires. This is really good LA needs all the water it can get. Only problem is the two resivors opened Kaweah Lake and Success Lake in Tulare county none of that water can ever reach Southern California. No aqueduct system or canels. The water stored is for irrigation in Tulare County. I doubt Trump was informed any of this. The water will flow west out to the Tulare Lake... it is huge waste of water.
The only reason Trump ordered this release (https://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/news/local/california/2025/02/01/trump-orders-san-joaquin-valley-water-release-from-dams-causes-chaos/78124775007/) was so he could tell his people that he released some water in California. Most of his supporters outside California have no idea how large the state is or how complex our water systems are. So Trump orders a big release and tweets about it (https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1885473025476145386), and they think he did a good thing.
You think he wasn't informed? I think he was informed but said do it anyway. He doesn't care.
Now that these reservoirs are emptied of all the winter runoff, what will the central valley farmers use to irrigate their crops all summer?
If this water really was released, I wonder if all the farmers (many Republicans) were told of this plan?
Quote from: Zep on Feb 06, 2025, 04:23 PMNow that these reservoirs are emptied of all the winter runoff, what will the central valley farmers use to irrigate their crops all summer?
If this water really was released, I wonder if all the farmers (many Republicans) were told of this plan?
Nope they weren't told and are furious. No they won't empty the resivors but there could be a water shortage this summer
My wife worked for many years at the highest planning levels of this state's complicated water system. She is devastated.
He blatantly shows that he's fucking dumber and mentally more lazy than a failing 3rd grader. Sadly there are too many people in this country obviously just as dumb and mentally lazy as he is. So he gets away with it. He's been getting increasingly (geometrically, not linearly) more unhinged over the past 10 years. It kills me to say that I have little hope for this country surviving the disaster that will be worse than the 30's depression and WWII combined. And which will go on longer. "You can't make this stuff up" is not a joke and not hyperbolic, it is factually the truth. The Dems are looking mighty weak and helpless.
After 10 years of this insanity, trying to laugh at Colbert and Kimmel now is like being one of the staff standing on the deck of the Titanic, listening to the orchestra play as you watch the last life boat being launched and floating away. And knowing that the nearest ship is hours away.
Well, at least most of us enjoyed the previous 70 plus years of middle class comfort if not affluence.
Quote from: Legman469 on Feb 06, 2025, 05:34 PMMy wife worked for many years at the highest planning levels of this state's complicated water system. She is devastated.
He blatantly shows that he's fucking dumber and mentally more lazy than a failing 3rd grader. Sadly there are too many people in this country obviously just as dumb and mentally lazy as he is. So he gets away with it. He's been getting increasingly (geometrically, not linearly) more unhinged over the past 10 years. It kills me to say that I have little hope for this country surviving the disaster that will be worse than the 30's depression and WWII combined. And which will go on longer. "You can't make this stuff up" is not a joke and not hyperbolic, it is factually the truth. The Dems are looking mighty weak and helpless.
After 10 years of this insanity, trying to laugh at Colbert and Kimmel now is like being one of the staff standing on the deck of the Titanic, listening to the orchestra play as you watch the last life boat being launched and floating away. And knowing that the nearest ship is hours away.
Well, at least most of us enjoyed the previous 70 plus years of middle class comfort if not affluence.
It was stupid. I don't think it was Trump's idea to release the water but he sure took credit for it. My guess is it was Devin Nunez former congressman of that District and now Trump's CEO of Trump media told him to do this. Back in 2018 Nunez was fighting for the Westside farmers to diverted water from Northern California to the Westside farmers. Trump visited landing in Fresno and along with Nunez drove down the 99 to the Tulare Ag Center. Along the way Trump pointed to fields that appeared to be dead and Nunez told Trump this is because of the water shortage. The crops Trump was looking at were wheat fields turning golden for harvest. None of the northern water can be diverted to Fresno or Tulare counties because there are no canel links between the Westside to farms Trump was viewing. Devin was feeding Trump a bunch of shit. I have known Devin for over 30 years. When he got around Trump he changed.
Much of the released water will find it's way and help replenish the underground water so it all won't be wasted... but never the less it was stupid...
Quote from: bats on Feb 06, 2025, 01:58 PMThe only reason Trump ordered this release (https://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/news/local/california/2025/02/01/trump-orders-san-joaquin-valley-water-release-from-dams-causes-chaos/78124775007/) was so he could tell his people that he released some water in California. Most of his supporters outside California have no idea how large the state is or how complex our water systems are. So Trump orders a big release and tweets about it (https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1885473025476145386), and they think he did a good thing.
You think he wasn't informed? I think he was informed but said do it anyway. He doesn't care.
From the posted link: "Unscheduled water releases require close coordination with local officials and safety personnel, as well as downstream agricultural water users, in order to reduce flood risks to communities and farms," Padilla wrote. "Based on the urgent concerns I have heard from my constituents, as well as recent reporting, it appears that gravely insufficient notification was given, recklessly endangering residents downstream."
It's just Trump being Trump.
Quote from: Hobby on Feb 06, 2025, 12:13 PMPresident Trump through EO order the Army Core of Enineers to release water in California to fight wildfires fires. This Is really good LA needs all the water it can get. Only problem is the two resivors opened Kaweah Lake and Success Lake in Tulare county none of that water can ever reach Southern California. No aqueduct system or canels. The water stored is for irrigation in Tulare County. I doubt Trump was informed any of this. The water will flow west out to the Tulare Lake... it is huge waste of water.
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5126534-trump-california-water-release-order-criticism/
"That water can't get to Los Angeles," Schiff continued. "The fires are out, they're not 5 percent contained, or 20 percent, or 50 percent contained. They're 100 percent contained. So, that water is going to be of no use to firefighters."
"The water is flowing in California," the president posted on Monday. "These once empty 'halfpipes' are now brimming with beautiful, clean water, and heading to farmers throughout the State, and to Los Angeles."
But experts and California lawmakers have called out Trump's statements as inaccurate, as water from the lakes in question does not usually reach Los Angeles, while also slamming the releases as reckless and wasteful in a dry winter.
"There isn't as much snowpack as we would usually have," Schiff said on Monday. "We rely on water that is stored like this water when farmers need it in summer to irrigate. They're not irrigating now. So, that water is going to sit in a lake, it's going to evaporate, it's going to be wasted."
Does not affect me....next topic.
Quote from: dogwalker on Feb 06, 2025, 09:34 PMDoes not affect me....next topic.
Eventually it could affect you. Depends on what you like to eat.
Quote from: Hobby on Feb 06, 2025, 07:00 PM.... My guess is it was Devin Nunez former congressman of that District
Nunez is a putz.
My grandfather was on a valley irrigation board for over thirty years in the 50s-70s. He used to say, "Wars are fought over three things: Land, Religion, and Water."
Trump is so fucking uneducated about CA's complex water rights and issues I don't understand how the conservative farmers in the valley support this delusional narcissistic asshole.
Quote from: DoctorTaco on Feb 06, 2025, 10:45 PMNunez is a putz.
My grandfather was on a valley irrigation board for over thirty years in the 50s-70s. He used to say, "Wars are fought over three things: Land, Religion, and Water."
Trump is so fucking uneducated about CA's complex water rights and issues I don't understand how the conservative farmers in the valley support this delusional narcissistic asshole.
I see now where Nunez is on a Trump Intel committee advising Trump. Trump knows Devin is from the area so I bet I am right Devin told Trump to release the water... or if not he should have told Trump not to do it because the water would just flow out into the valley. Someone should have the media find out who Trump was listening to. Trump knows nothing about Calif so someone had to suggest to open those gates...
Quote from: HighStepper on Feb 06, 2025, 09:38 PMEventually it could affect you. Depends on what you like to eat.
No it won't because I'll find a way to adapt instead of whining about it.
Quote from: dogwalker on Feb 06, 2025, 11:08 PMNo it won't because I'll find a way to adapt....
You could do like Stanley Tucci and travel the world sampling food. So, go where there is abundance. Probably won't cost less, lol.
Quote from: DoctorTaco on Feb 06, 2025, 10:45 PM.....Trump is so fucking uneducated about CA's complex water rights and issues I don't understand how the conservative farmers in the valley support this delusional narcissistic asshole.
Just like lapdog hobbyist that have an ATF provider that keeps ripping them off financially. They stick with her because they love her. When it comes to emotions (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=26034) there is no logic.
Yes, I think it was a dumb move as well. Trump was clearly not informed of the ramifications that it would cause. With that said I do think the State Of California could do a hell of a lot better with the water that is available in Northern California for the Central Valley and Southern California.
The state needs to build more reservoirs with hydroelectric not high speed rails. Over here in nevada we have huge unpopulated areas where huge solar farms can be built. So much can be done to increase water and energy to California.
Quote from: Hobby on Feb 07, 2025, 02:06 PMThe state needs to build more reservoirs with hydroelectric not high speed rails. Over here in nevada we have huge unpopulated areas where huge solar farms can be built. So much can be done to increase water and energy to California.
As of January 25, 2024 the largest combined
solar and energy-storage project in the U.S. is now online and operating in California's Mojave Desert. The sprawling megaproject stretches across 4,600 acres in Kern County and is located on private land as well as the Edwards Air Force Base. Link (https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/the-biggest-solar-plus-storage-project-in-the-us-just-came-online#:~:text=The%20largest%20combined%20solar%20and,the%20Edwards%20Air%20Force%20Base.)
The Copper Mountain Solar Facility is a Flat-panel PV 802 MW solar photovoltaic power plant in Boulder City, Nevada. The plant was developed and is owned by Sempra Generation. Construction for the plant began in January 2010. Link (https://www.certrec.com/blog/certrec-market-research/top-ten-largest-solar-farms-in-the-united-states/)
Quote from: Hobby on Feb 07, 2025, 02:06 PMThe state needs to build more reservoirs with hydroelectric not high speed rails. Over here in nevada we have huge unpopulated areas where huge solar farms can be built. So much can be done to increase water and energy to California.
The only problem with building big new dams and reservoirs are the environmentalists and their lawyers. Also, earthquake fault lines. This is why the Auburn Dam was abandoned way back when (early 70s as I recall)
Quote from: DoctorTaco on Feb 08, 2025, 08:44 AMThe only problem with building big new dams and reservoirs are the environmentalists and their lawyers. Also, earthquake fault lines. This is why the Auburn Dam was abandoned way back when (early 70s as I recall)
After the massive loss of Palicades environmentalist are cooked! Dams can be built today with technolgy, materials and designs to withstand high magnitude earthquakes.
Water hasn't been a problem for the last few years. With the new technology of recharging the Aquifer by reversing well pumps.
Quote from: Danno on Feb 08, 2025, 12:30 PMWater hasn't been a problem for the last few years. With the new technology of recharging the Aquifer by reversing well pumps.
Not a good idea to draw water from fields and pump back into the aquifer. Water may contain fertilizers, insecticide, herbicides and other toxic chemicals that would pollute the aquifer making drinking water unsafe.
Groundwater Recharge in California - A Key Water Resilience Strategy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyCzN3wGdbM
Video 3:56 minutes. Learn how groundwater recharge works and why it is so important for a resilient and sustainable water supply for California.
AI Generated: Preventing fertilizers, insecticides, herbicides, and other toxic chemicals from
polluting aquifers involves several strategies:
1.
Proper Application: Applying fertilizers and chemicals in the right amount, at the right time, and using the right methods can significantly reduce runoff. This includes avoiding application before heavy rains and using precision agriculture techniques1.
2.
Buffer Zones: Planting trees, shrubs, and grasses along the edges of fields can act as buffer zones to filter out contaminants before they reach water bodies.
3.
Cover Crops: Planting cover crops during off-seasons helps prevent soil erosion and nutrient leaching, keeping contaminants out of groundwater.
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Conservation Drainage Practices: Modifying drainage systems and using practices like woodchip bioreactors and saturated buffers can help reduce nutrient loads while maintaining adequate drainage.
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Proper Disposal: Ensuring that chemicals are disposed of properly at designated waste facilities rather than being dumped on the ground or into septic systems.
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Public Awareness: Educating farmers and the public about the impacts of chemical runoff and promoting best practices can lead to more widespread adoption of these methods.
By combining these strategies, we can significantly reduce the risk of aquifer pollution and protect our valuable groundwater resources.
Link (https://www.epa.gov/nutrientpollution/sources-and-solutions-agriculture)
Link (https://ecology.wa.gov/Water-Shorelines/Water-quality/Groundwater/Protecting-aquifers)
Link (https://futurefoodsolutions.co.uk/how-to-reduce-artificial-nitrates-ending-up-into-aquifers-surface-water/)
City of Roseville Pumps right out of Folsom Lake. Not from fields. They started doing it 2 years ago.
Quote from: Danno on Feb 09, 2025, 08:54 PMCity of Roseville Pumps right out of Folsom Lake. Not from fields. They started doing it 2 years ago.
I thought you were referring to farm irrigation water...
https://www.sfgate.com/centralcalifornia/article/trump-california-reservoir-dump-kaweah-success-20209496.php
"Rather than actually assist Los Angeles County with firefighting, the water was used downstream of the reservoirs for "limited irrigation demand" and "groundwater recharge," according to a joint statement from local water agencies. Caldwell's memo said 2.5 billion gallons were released, per the Post's report; that number conflicts with the local water agencies' calculation of 6,700 acre-feet, or 2.2 billion gallons.
Rep. Jim Costa, a Democrat who represents a chunk of the San Joaquin Valley, wrote in a Feb. 1 letter to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that the releases — coming as they did when there's little demand for irrigation, as well as a low snowpack — pose "grave threats to a reliable water supply this year."
He added: "This could increase the cost of water for farmers for this crop year exponentially due to dry conditions anticipated.""
Costa is making it appear worse than what happened. Water isn't going to cost more. I know this for fact, our family been farming Tulare County since 1860 one of the
founding families. The dams periodically release water in the winter months several times...but this release was totally uncalled for. I would like to know who's bright idea to do this was. Wasn't Trump, he has no clue about the waterways in California. Some idiot who knows the dams probably thought these dams or reservoirs tied into LA water system and suggested to Trump to release the water. No real waste of water just a stupid thing to have done...
Quote from: Hobby on Mar 08, 2025, 08:52 PMSome idiot who knows the dams probably thought these dams or reservoirs tied into LA water system and suggested to Trump to release the water.
Trump never to be deterred by facts, listens to "idiots" to make idiotic decisions.