I firmly believe the DOJ needs to review those on permanent disability to recheck their disability status. And for those found to have committed fraud forced to work to repay what they stole from taxpayers. I know someone who recently was approved for permanent disability but earns income under the table. This is so wrong. I haven't decided should report her to the DOJ. Yes she has health issues but not to the extent she can't work.
Fraud in Social Security Disability Insurance is estimated to be less than 1%. However, fraudsters should be sought out and prosecuted.
The SSA conducts Continuing Disability Reviews (CDRs) to ensure that individuals receiving disability benefits still meet the eligibility criteria. These reviews happen at intervals, depending on the recipient's medical condition.
The SSA has an Office of the Inspector General (OIG) that investigates potential fraud. When sufficient evidence of fraud is found, the OIG may recommend criminal charges, and the DOJ handles the legal proceedings to prosecute those responsible.
Quote from: HighStepper on Mar 08, 2025, 01:38 PMFraud in Social Security Disability Insurance is estimated to be less than 1%. However, fraudsters should be sought out and prosecuted.
The SSA conducts Continuing Disability Reviews (CDRs) to ensure that individuals receiving disability benefits still meet the eligibility criteria. These reviews happen at intervals, depending on the recipient's medical condition.
The SSA has an Office of the Inspector General (OIG) that investigates potential fraud. When sufficient evidence of fraud is found, the OIG may recommend criminal charges, and the DOJ handles the legal proceedings to prosecute those responsible.
If a full scale review has not been performed 1% may be a very low percentage. When I retired early from the state at age 62 I had severe heart issues and was passing out at work. I applied for ssi disability and it was approved after they reviewed medical and employment records. No way would a employer hire a person with a heart issues and passing out work. Since my retirement i have has multiple surgeries to improve my heart function and basically not fully disabled as I was at age 62. When a person on full disability turns 65 disability is converted to regular ssi. It wasn't until I turned 68 that the disability was resolved. My guess is there are many who are approved for full disability have received medical treatment like i did that resolved the disability and they can return to work.
I believe if the ssa reviews Disability payouts they will find billions in fraud.
All ssa would need to do is require permanent disability patients who undergo surgeries paid by Medicare that the doctor must send in a report as to the status of their patients limitations to social security for review.
Since my disability was approved I have not had any request by SSI to update my disability or health.
Quote from: Hobby on Mar 08, 2025, 02:07 PMMy guess is there are many who are approved for full disability have received medical treatment like i did that resolved the disability and they can return to work.
I believe if the ssa reviews Disability payouts they will find billions in fraud.
All ssa would need to do is require permanent disability patients who undergo surgeries paid by Medicare that the doctor must send in a report as to the status of their patients limitations to social security for review.
Since my disability was approved I have not had any request by SSI to update my disability or health.
You're making a lot of assumptions for a guy who frequently demands that other posters back up their claims with facts. lol
As HS stated, SSA has existing processes (https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/should-i-worried-upcoming-disability-review.html) for ensuring ongoing eligibility for SSDI.
The reason you haven't had any request to ensure your eligibility since you were first approved is that you weren't far from age 65 when that happened. At age 65, SSDI benefits convert to retirement benefits. Since you don't have to be disabled to receive retirement benefits, you're home free.
Quote from: bats on Mar 08, 2025, 02:35 PMYou're making a lot of assumptions for a guy who frequently demands that other posters back up their claims with facts. lol
As HS stated, SSA has existing processes (https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/should-i-worried-upcoming-disability-review.html) for ensuring ongoing eligibility for SSDI.
The reason you haven't had any request to ensure your eligibility since you were first approved is that you weren't far from age 65 when that happened. At age 65, SSDI benefits convert to retirement benefits. Since you don't have to be disabled to receive retirement benefits, you're home free.
Yes I know all of that. And no I am not making any claims assumptions that need facts. I am questioning big difference but to someone who constantly post misinformation and propaganda would not know the difference. What you posted was just a recap of what I had already said...
So I suppose you and HS are okay with or don't care if people are frauding ssi for disability they no longer have! I not surprised Democrats don't care about fraud spending. They don't care we have a 36 trillion debt. They don't care millions of illegals poured into our country. I sure would like to know what they do care about.
Quote from: Hobby on Mar 08, 2025, 03:05 PMYes I know all of that. And no I am not making any claims assumptions that need facts. I am questioning big difference but to someone who constantly post misinformation and propaganda would not know the difference. What you posted was just a recap of what I had already said...
So I suppose you and HS are okay with or don't care if people are frauding ssi for disability they no longer have! I not surprised Democrats don't care about fraud spending. They don't care we have a 36 trillion debt. They don't care millions of illegals poured into our country. I sure would like to know what they do care about.
I give up with you.
Getting ssdi is one of the hardest thing get.
They have a list of things that make qualified.
I retired 1 yr earlier than planned.
At 63. Herniated disc made doing my job dangerous.
Tried to get ssdi.
Nope. You need to retrain for different job.
Now my wife had the worst kind of Brain cancer and it is #1 on the list. Approved. But was only 1100/mo.
Be easier to just stop paying the oil companies billion in subsidies.
Stop paying for fighter jets we don't need.
Stop paying for Trumps golf.
Stop letting Musk use air force 1 as his personal plane.
Cancel the 2 new air force 1s that are 8 billion each that Trump ordered.
Restore maning the national parks that make 55 billion and only cost 3.5 billion to run.
Quote from: Hobby on Mar 08, 2025, 03:05 PMSo I suppose you and HS are okay with or don't care if people are frauding ssi for disability they no longer have!
No reasonable person with basic reading comprehension skills could possibly get from what I posted as a not caring about fraud.
I know someone that truly is disabled. He gets something like $12K/year to live on....in CA. Yet SSI hassles him, digs through all his expenses and bank accounts every year seemingly hoping to find a way to catch him breaking some tiny rule so they can cut him off.
Quote from: dogwalker on Mar 08, 2025, 05:49 PMI know someone that truly is disabled. He gets something like $12K/year to live on....in CA. Yet SSI hassles him, digs through all his expenses and bank accounts every year seemingly hoping to find a way to catch him breaking some tiny rule so they can cut him off.
And yes they do have show proof every year they are still disabled. One time I had to mail in all my wife's medical records for the year. 160 pages.
They claim there are all these 150 year olds getting ss, but they have no names. hmmmm
Quote from: dogwalker on Mar 08, 2025, 05:49 PMI know someone that truly is disabled. He gets something like $12K/year to live on....in CA. Yet SSI hassles him, digs through all his expenses and bank accounts every year seemingly hoping to find a way to catch him breaking some tiny rule so they can cut him off.
I know SSA will audit someone like you describe here who having a criminal record. And I didn't say they never audit.
Quote from: Danno on Mar 09, 2025, 07:50 PMAnd yes they do have show proof every year they are still disabled.
This is not true. I've been on SSDI for over 20 years due to a second back surgery that went wrong. This has resulted in other issues, mainly from nerve damage.
I've had to have a doctor sign a form several times that I'm disabled.
In 2023 I had to visit a SSDI doctor. I had to fill out a 10 page questionnaire and mail it back. Then the doctor did a full 40 minute interview and physical.
Every person's benefit is different. It is based on your income the last 3 or 4 years they worked. Yet, every person on SSDI can only make $1,550 per month in 2025, no matter if your monthly benefit is $1K or $3K. To supplement my benefit I've had a part-time job since 2006.
Quote from: DoctorTaco on Mar 10, 2025, 09:53 AMThis is not true. I've been on SSDI for over 20 years due to a second back surgery that went wrong. This has resulted in other issues, mainly from nerve damage.
I've had to have a doctor sign a form several times that I'm disabled.
In 2023 I had to visit a SSDI doctor. I had to fill out a 10 page questionnaire and mail it back. Then the doctor did a full 40 minute interview and physical.
Not what our experience was like at all. On SSDI and still working is what shouldn't be allowed
Every person's benefit is different. It is based on your income the last 3 or 4 years they worked. Yet, every person on SSDI can only make $1,550 per month in 2025, no matter if your monthly benefit is $1K or $3K. To supplement my benefit I've had a part-time job since 2006.
So instead of going after the ones bilking millions, we should first focus on the ones who are bilking 10-40k? I guess when the one stealing millions are your bosses we should look the other way.
Quote from: Danno on Mar 10, 2025, 10:03 AMOn SSDI and still working is what shouldn't be allowed
Per my Google search: While many SSDI beneficiaries cannot work due to their disability, a significant portion do work, and of those who do, a substantial number are employed part-time. In 2023, 29% of disabled workers worked part-time.
Got you beat! I had two low back
Quote from: DoctorTaco on Mar 10, 2025, 09:53 AMThis is not true. I've been on SSDI for over 20 years due to a second back surgery that went wrong. This has resulted in other issues, mainly from nerve damage.
I've had to have a doctor sign a form several times that I'm disabled.
In 2023 I had to visit a SSDI doctor. I had to fill out a 10 page questionnaire and mail it back. Then the doctor did a full 40 minute interview and physical.
Every person's benefit is different. It is based on your income the last 3 or 4 years they worked. Yet, every person on SSDI can only make $1,550 per month in 2025, no matter if your monthly benefit is $1K or $3K. To supplement my benefit I've had a part-time job since 2006.
I injured my low back in 1994. I kept working. In 2000 I hand my first operation. I reinjured in 2008 second surgery 2011. Returned to work. Two years later I reinjured it again. Wasn't failure of surgery it was my failure to limit my lifting and activity. I didn't apply for SSI instead I was put on hydrocordone pain medicine that I still have to take four times per day just so I can walk. Yep back pain is no joke. Now that my heart is repaired I could return to work for the state at $8,500 per month but because of my low back pain there is no way.
If I was audited for my heart disability I would be happy they are auditing for fraud.
Was denied at age 63, told to retrain. lol. Hard to stand on a ladder and work on live 480 volts when your leg goes numb from herniated disc.
So if you are on SSDI and can still work part time, that shouldn't be allowed.
Quote from: Danno on Mar 10, 2025, 12:18 PMSo if you are on SSDI and can still work part time, that shouldn't be allowed.
While receiving Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) benefits, you can
work part-time as long as your earnings remain below the Substantial Gainful Activity (SGA)
limit, which is
currently $1,620 per month.Encouraging someone on Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) to work can offer several benefits:
- Access to Work a trial work period so individuals can test their ability to work without immediately losing their benefits.
- Improved Financial Stability which can provide additional income.
- Skill Development. Working can help people to develop and maintain valuable skills.
- Social Interaction can help reduce feelings of isolation and improve overall quality of life.
- Enhanced Self-Esteem and Confidence can positively impact emotional well-being.
- Health Benefits from meaningful work can contribute to better physical and mental health. Working can promote a healthier lifestyle.
My GF has a 39 yr old son that is None Verbal Down Syndrome. Born that way of course. She still has to show proof every year that he still has Downs. Dumbest thing ever.
So all this Fraud nonsense is just a detraction from them stealing all your money with this crypto BS. Trump is doing the same thing that Sam Bankman-Fried got 25 years in prison.
ALL of OUR money that Trump put into crypto just fell 7%. Great investment, lose that much in 5 days. Fuckin idiot. No wonder he went bankrupt 5 times.
Johnson says. We need to get back to what the founding fathers wanted this country to be. You mean like not having a king, freedom of religion. Following the Constitution.
Here's Elon Musk on Fox Business today:
"The waste and fraud in entitlement spending ‒ which most of the federal spending is entitlements ‒ that's like the big one to eliminate. That's the, sort of, half trillion, maybe $600 or $700 billion a year."
So this prick with his elite levels of both arrogance and ignorance thinks he's going to find $600 billion in waste and fraud in Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Last year we spent about $2.4 trillion on those three programs. He's suggesting that 25 percent of that is waste and fraud.
I think we know who's a waste and a fraud. Get that fucker away from our money.
He's wasted most of the time.
Quote from: bats on Mar 10, 2025, 08:58 PM"The waste and fraud in entitlement spending ‒ which most of the federal spending is entitlements ‒ that's like the big one to eliminate. That's the, sort of, half trillion, maybe $600 or $700 billion a year."
Here's a video (https://x.com/atrupar/status/1899201171111264676) of Musk lying through his teeth about this. He follows up with another lie about how fraud in Social Security and Medicare is
"a mechanism by which Democrats attract illegal immigrants, by essentially paying them to come here, and then turning them into voters."
Both of these statements are obviously false, as undocumented immigrants are estimated to pay about $12 billion annually into Social Security and Medicare but are not entitled to receive benefits.
As to voting, first they have to get a green card, which takes at least five years, then they have to apply to become citizens. It's a long process that could take a decade or more if it ever happens.
Quote from: DoctorTaco on Mar 10, 2025, 10:41 AMPer my Google search: While many SSDI beneficiaries cannot work due to their disability, a significant portion do work, and of those who do, a substantial number are employed part-time. In 2023, 29% of disabled workers worked part-time.
Yes there disabled working but are the fully disabled drawing social security?
Quote from: bats on Mar 10, 2025, 08:58 PMHere's Elon Musk on Fox Business today:
"The waste and fraud in entitlement spending ‒ which most of the federal spending is entitlements ‒ that's like the big one to eliminate. That's the, sort of, half trillion, maybe $600 or $700 billion a year."
So this prick with his elite levels of both arrogance and ignorance thinks he's going to find $600 billion in waste and fraud in Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Last year we spent about $2.4 trillion on those three programs. He's suggesting that 25 percent of that is waste and fraud.
I think we know who's a waste and a fraud. Get that fucker away from our money.
You have to understand Musk's thinking. Giving entitlements is a waste.
Quote from: HighStepper on Yesterday at 04:22 PMYou have to understand Musk's thinking. Giving entitlements is a waste.
That seems to actually be the case with him. He just decides what seems wasteful to him, and whack! lol
Quote from: bats on Yesterday at 04:29 PMThat seems to actually be the case with him. He just decides what seems wasteful to him, and whack! lol
I doubt Musk is making things up. I don't know why anyone would object to auditing our government spending unless they have something to hide.
I remember when Trump withheld his income tax information and Democrats raised he'll over it.
Quote from: Hobby on Yesterday at 04:45 PMI doubt Musk is making things up. I don't know why anyone would object to auditing our government spending unless they have something to hide.
I remember when Trump withheld his income tax information and Democrats raised he'll over it.
Musk isn't conducting an audit in any legitimate sense.
The super rich look at things differently from others.
Quote from: Hobby on Yesterday at 04:45 PMI doubt Musk is making things up. I don't know why anyone would object to auditing our government spending unless they have something to hide.
I remember when Trump withheld his income tax information and Democrats raised he'll over it.
So, according to your logic, Trump objecting means he had something to hide, right?