Imagine that..
It is a transitional period.. LMFAO...
Lets not discuss the hazardous waste being produced by electric cars. But hey, No carbon is being released.
We just put hazardous directly in the ground.. Hide it.. CRAZY...
https://youtu.be/kAps1Uk_9Uc
Quote from: Bande on May 27, 2022, 04:35 PMImagine that..
It is a transitional period.. LMFAO...
Lets not discuss the hazardous waste being produced by electric cars. But hey, No carbon is being released.
We just put hazardous directly in the ground.. Hide it.. CRAZY...
https://youtu.be/kAps1Uk_9Uc
You do know we've been putting car hazardous waste into the ground for decades right? Car batteries, oil, other fluids? That the process of getting the oil for gas can and has polluted the environment? To say that EV is crazy is to say gas cars are crazy too...
You obviously missed the point.
There is no gain trading one for the other.
They have taken and made us dependent.
Fossil fuels are used to manufacture so much there is virtually no getting rid of.
Making vehicles electric when we can not even sustain electricity for homes or businesses is Crazy.
The Government needs to build more Reservoirs to store water & electricity plants..
https://youtu.be/CTGP5yYBHtQ
Quote from: Bande on May 27, 2022, 06:38 PMYou obviously missed the point.
There is no gain trading one for the other.
They have taken and made us dependent.
Fossil fuels are used to manufacture so much there is virtually no getting rid of.
Making vehicles electric when we can not even sustain electricity for homes or businesses is Crazy.
The Government needs to build more Reservoirs to store water & electricity plants..
Bande you be better off talking to a fence post. Anyone who thinks Biden knows what he is doing doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
Lets see what the economy was like during the Trump Presidency..
Dow Jones:
dow jones Trump.PNG
Gas prices:
gas prices Trump.PNG
I and most Americans miss those days.
Wow. Imagine that. When the country was completely shut down gas prices went down. Who could have expected a lack of demand would mean lower prices. Oh wait, everybody...
The country
Quote from: Blkfyre on May 30, 2022, 08:56 PMWow. Imagine that. When the country was completely shut down gas prices went down. Who could have expected a lack of demand would mean lower prices. Oh wait, everybody...
Quote from: Blkfyre on May 30, 2022, 08:56 PMWow. Imagine that. When the country was completely shut down gas prices went down. Who could have expected a lack of demand would mean lower prices. Oh wait, everybody...
When the country was shut down no one was going anywhere. No trips, no vacations. Stay in place. So it really didn't matter what the price of gas was now did it? Could have been 10 cents per gallon or 10.00 per gallon no one benefited other than those that had to work. Prices did start to rise back to normal pre-pandemic levels and for a short period but the real hike came after Biden started attacking fossil fuels and throwing out all of Trump EOs. Democrats were so full of shit in 2020 they cause the entire US to run out of toilet paper yet the shortage did not set record prices at stores for craper wrapper.
Quote from: Hobby on May 30, 2022, 10:49 PMThe country
When the country was shut down no one was going anywhere. No trips, no vacations. Stay in place. So it really didn't matter what the price of gas was now did it? Could have been 10 cents per gallon or 10.00 per gallon no one benefited other than those that had to work. Prices did start to rise back to normal pre-pandemic levels and for a short period but the real hike came after Biden started attacking fossil fuels and throwing out all of Trump EOs. Democrats were so full of shit in 2020 they cause the entire US to run out of toilet paper yet the shortage did not set record prices at stores for craper wrapper.
That's great. That's not what Romanticlover was saying tho. He was trying to make a dig at Biden for gas prices by showing what they were under Trump (no other possible reason to add that graph for gas prices)
Quote from: Blkfyre on May 30, 2022, 11:32 PMThat's great. That's not what Romanticlover was saying tho. He was trying to make a dig at Biden for gas prices by showing what they were under Trump (no other possible reason to add that graph for gas prices)
Under Trump precovid fuel prices were stable. I would not say low, but a hell of a lot lower than they are today.
Quote from: Hobby on May 31, 2022, 07:47 AMUnder Trump precovid fuel prices were stable. I would not say low, but a hell of a lot lower than they are today.
Yes, stable because of Covid. Go look at his chart. Before Covid the gas prices were ticking up as they do, when Covid hit, they dropped and didn't start going back up until the country opened up when they jumped up. On 5/5 2020 they were $1.74 when he left office they were approximately $2.30. Doesn't seem stable to me when people were actually getting out and about now does it?
But again, that stability and drop were due to Covid, and it's kinda hypocritical for RL to claim that stability due to an outside influence (Covid) but then turn around and deny another outside influence (Russia) is not affecting the prices now.
It's not hypocritical, the chart speaks for itself.
Under Trump gas was around $3.25 in CA now it's almost $6.
The Dow Jones was trending up under Trump but now it's trending down.
Quote from: Romanticlover on May 31, 2022, 09:29 AMIt's not hypocritical, the chart speaks for itself.
Under Trump gas was around $3.25 in CA now it's almost $6.
The Dow Jones was trending up under Trump but now it's trending down.
The hypocritical part was not the price in and of itself. It's you crediting Trump for the price and ignore that the price was due to Covid, a direct reason for the lowering price, but want to ignore the war and Russia driving up the price under Biden.
The same with the Dow. Everytime there is a conflict out there it affects the Dow and the fact that this conflict is causing raised prices in EVERY COUNTRY (thus, can not be Biden's fault) it's not only the DOW but other country's markets that are trending down as well. But you won't admit to that because those facts make it so you can't just blame Biden for everything...
Quote from: Romanticlover on May 31, 2022, 09:29 AMIt's not hypocritical, the chart speaks for itself.
Under Trump gas was around $3.25 in CA now it's almost $6.
The Dow Jones was trending up under Trump but now it's trending down.
You are right... Blkfry is wrong... First 3 years economy was booming under Trump. First 1.5 years Biden is not so good... The majority of Dems do not favor Biden on the economy. The stock market is reacting to inflation and cost of fuel...
When Trump was President Democrats blamed everything on him even though the economy was good, now that Biden is President it's Republicans turn to blame him...except this time it's legitimate because inflation is hurting everyone.
Quote from: Romanticlover on May 31, 2022, 01:29 PMWhen Trump was President Democrats blamed everything on him even though the economy was good, now that Biden is President it's Republicans turn to blame him...except this time it's legitimate because inflation is hurting everyone.
Not only that they pushed a fake Russia collusion investigation base on lies.
Quote from: Hobby on May 31, 2022, 01:35 PMNot only that they pushed a fake Russia collusion investigation base on lies.
That is the MAGA crowd spin.
The Mueller investigation was created by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein (Republican). Investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, links between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials, and possible obstruction of justice by Trump and his associates.
they say we have a gas supply problem. I say bull shit. I waiting in lines in the early seventies for gas because of shortage.
Quote from: Blkfyre on May 27, 2022, 06:15 PMYou do know we've been putting car hazardous waste into the ground for decades right? Car batteries, oil, other fluids? That the process of getting the oil for gas can and has polluted the environment? To say that EV is crazy is to say gas cars are crazy too...
Not true today. Car batteries are recycled, oil is collected and recycled along with other hazardous fluids. Cars themselves are recycled iron, steel, and plastics. There is no dumping of the items you mentioned allowed in landfills. I do agree there has to be a replacement for oil as someday we will run out then what? The cleanest form of energy is Nuclear but not practical for transportation. Batteries are not the answer at least not what they have today. Lithium batteries are extremely hazardous and can explode in auto accidents. Very unsafe in car crashes but little is said about this. Alternative fuels such as hydrogen is being looked at.
Quote from: Danno on Jun 04, 2022, 11:10 AMthey say we have a gas supply problem. I say bull shit. I waiting in lines in the early seventies for gas because of shortage.
I have not heard of any gas lines at the pumps... this tells me the story of gas shortages is BS...
Imagine that.
ChinaBiden Feeling heat and puts heat on a Industry. Step up production that ChinaBiden stopped. LMAO.
STUPID ChinaBiden.
Watch and maybe one can learn something..
Or just watch only your Leftwing channels and still be in a brainwashed State..
Quote from: Hobby on Jun 04, 2022, 11:29 AMNot true today. Car batteries are recycled, oil is collected and recycled along with other hazardous fluids. Cars themselves are recycled iron, steel, and plastics. There is no dumping of the items you mentioned allowed in landfills. I do agree there has to be a replacement for oil as someday we will run out then what? The cleanest form of energy is Nuclear but not practical for transportation. Batteries are not the answer at least not what they have today. Lithium batteries are extremely hazardous and can explode in auto accidents. Very unsafe in car crashes but little is said about this. Alternative fuels such as hydrogen is being looked at.
I know for a FACT there is hazardous waste being dumped in the ground in rural Nevada.
This is not public Knowledge that I'm aware of.
Hazardous waste is transported from California and other areas to Nevada and buriied.
Biden isn't stupid... he is incompetent or should I say the people pulling his strings are incompetent. The stupid ones are those who believe what he is saying and ignore what Biden did the first few weeks of his term. More and more Democrats and far-left are realizing what is happening and Biden is to blame for it but they will never admit to it... Everything that is going wrong started going wrong on Jan 21 2021. Gas prices started climbing, housing rent is climbing, food costs... now the stock market is declining rapidly and people are getting financially crushed as they see their investments lose money every week. All the gains since Biden took office are wiped out. Soon all the extensions for Covid relief will be gone and things will get far worse in the coming months. All we can do is hang on and ride this storm out. This is going to be a replay of 2007 when bank loans caused the recession only this will recession will be caused by high fuel prices and piss poor president. People are spending all their money to buy gas and food, and soon won't be able to pay the rent or credit cards.
Quote from: Bande on Jun 16, 2022, 11:01 AMI know for a FACT there is hazardous waste being dumped in the ground in rural Nevada.
This is not public Knowledge that I'm aware of.
Hazardous waste is transported from California and other areas to Nevada and buriied.
OK. You know it for a fact. How, if what you say is true and it's not public knowledge? Can you link us to these FACTS so we can see them for ourselves?
Quote from: Blkfyre on Jun 16, 2022, 12:37 PMOK. You know it for a fact. How, if what you say is true and it's not public knowledge? Can you link us to these FACTS so we can see them for ourselves?
Bande is correct again! Hazardous waste is hauled in and buried less than 40 miles from where I live unless you think nuclear waste is nonhazardous! LMAO...
Re: gasoline prices. See my other posts on this. For the most part gasoline prices correlate to crude oil prices, which makes sense since crude oil is the raw material for making gas. Each $20/bbl in crude oil price results in about $1/gal in gasoline price in CA. Crude oil is currently about $120/bbl and that is why gas is about $6/gal. So who determines crude oil prices? Commodity traders. Not oil companies. Supply and demand come into play with regard to the contracts the traders sell but like any FUTURES contract it has more to do with the PERCEIVED situation in the future than the real one today. Anyway all the things you all talk about play SOME role in gas prices BUT no one item is the sole cause of the current situation.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Jun 16, 2022, 12:37 PMOK. You know it for a fact. How, if what you say is true and it's not public knowledge? Can you link us to these FACTS so we can see them for ourselves?
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You really think this is public knowledge?
Pure political Buyllshit.
I know personally many hazardous waste drivers that dump in Nevada and they are working Overtime doing this.
Quote from: dogwalker on Jun 16, 2022, 04:39 PMRe: gasoline prices. See my other posts on this. For the most part gasoline prices correlate to crude oil prices, which makes sense since crude oil is the raw material for making gas. Each $20/bbl in crude oil price results in about $1/gal in gasoline price in CA. Crude oil is currently about $120/bbl and that is why gas is about $6/gal. So who determines crude oil prices? Commodity traders. Not oil companies. Supply and demand come into play with regard to the contracts the traders sell but like any FUTURES contract it has more to do with the PERCEIVED situation in the future than the real one today. Anyway all the things you all talk about play SOME role in gas prices BUT no one item is the sole cause of the current situation.
And your point of reposting this useless tidbit?
Fact is production is slowed down causing the issues at hand.
Why was it slowed down?
Well, look at ChinaBidens actions in his 1st week of office...
ChinaBiden directly caused are issues at hand..
umm no...production is ONE of many issues. Bando, it seems you need to read ALL my posts again including the "useless" one above....very carefully.....lol. So the war in Ukraine has NO role in increased gas prices? Russia is a major crude oil producer so guess what..... if there is risk to that supply being cut off then prices will increase. More production in the US can solve it but that is not happening overnight. duh. The other thing is even with more US production there is not enough pipe to transport it. Blame that on who you want, but that is another of MANY issues.
My point of reposting useless crap is "some people" just want to get on their tunnel vision, simplistic points of view that they are convinced are 10000% correct so they can slam who they hate while ignoring that life might be a bit more complicated than they think.....but they don't really think that well so some things need repeating until they get it....if they ever do. Or should I just give up? LOL
Quote from: Hobby on Jun 16, 2022, 01:28 PMBande is correct again! Hazardous waste is hauled in and buried less than 40 miles from where I live unless you think nuclear waste is nonhazardous! LMAO...
Bande said it was NOT public knowledge. That nuclear waste has been public knowledge since the 60s so he must be referring to something else
I love the idea of an electric vehicle.
However not going to pay 80k for a car.
I just ordered a Toyota Camrey LE Hybrid that will get 55mph.
The deposit was $400, purchase price of $29K, and will be delivered with the next 300 days.
I will purchase an electric car when I can get 400 miles of range for the price of a toyota prius or Toyota Camery, electric cars will take over the world.
Quote from: Fathernature69 on Jun 16, 2022, 09:51 PMI love the idea of an electric vehicle.
However not going to pay 80k for a car.
I just ordered a Toyota Camrey LE Hybrid that will get 55mph.
The deposit was $400, purchase price of $29K, and will be delivered with the next 300 days.
I will purchase an electric car when I can get 400 miles of range for the price of a toyota prius or Toyota Camery, electric cars will take over the world.
Just wait until you have to replace those Lithium batteries. You know there were electric cars before gas-powered cars and they had the same range problem. Electric cars I don't see as the answer... I see alternative fuels as the answer.
CA budget details released. No gas tax rebate included. In fact CA is raising gas tax by 3 cents instead.
They are giving a diesel tax break starting on Oct 1 but not gasoline, total BS.
Rebate checks up to $1050 will be sent out starting on Oct 1 if you make under a certain income, again BS.
Here's how they will work, according to Palmer: ▪ Single filers making less than $75,000 a year will receive $350, while joint filers making less than $150,000, will receive $700. If they have at least one dependent, they will receive an additional $350. ▪ Single filers making between $75,001 and $125,000 will receive $250, while joint filers making between $150,001 and $250,000 will make $500. If they have at least one dependent, they will receive an additional $250. ▪ Single filers making between $125,001 and $250,000 will receive $200, while joint filers making between $250,001 and $500,000 will receive $400. If they have at least one dependent, they will receive an additional $200. An estimated 82% of beneficiaries are in the first category, according to Palmer, with 12% in the second category and 6% in the third.
Instead of simply doing away with the gasoline tax they decided on this convoluted rebate.
Like I said in the other thread: this state is run by a bunch of retards
states that suspended their gas tax has not worked. the price per gallon didn't go down
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jun 30, 2022, 11:13 AMInstead of simply doing away with the gasoline tax they decided on this convoluted rebate.
Like I said in the other thread: this state is run by a bunch of retards
Removing the tax would have no impact on the gas companies continuing to raise the price. As another poster pointed out, they are OBLIGATED to rip us off to maximize their profits, and removing the tax just gives them an incentive to raise the prices since they know we can pay it, right?
And that in a nutshell is why Democrats don't see any issues with raising taxes. Because if we don't take your money the corporations will.
Quote from: Danno on Jun 30, 2022, 01:33 PMstates that suspended their gas tax has not worked. the price per gallon didn't go down
Then why are the idiots who run this state giving a tax holiday for diesel but not gasoline?
BTW: it has worked in other states because they pay less
Yes our gas tax is literally a dollar more than every other state's.
guess math isn't your strong suit, ca gas tax is 51.2 cents, the increase is tied to inflation
Quote from: thaikhan on Jun 30, 2022, 03:58 PMYes our gas tax is literally a dollar more than every other state's.
The more you raise taxes and the minimum wage the higher inflation gets, it's a vicious cycle that Democrats don't comprehend.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jun 30, 2022, 04:50 PMThe more you raise taxes and the minimum wage the higher inflation gets, it's a vicious cycle that Democrats don't comprehend.
It'd be cool if people would substantiate claims like this. It's easy to express uninformed "opinions" on complex topics.
It would be cool if people searched Google:
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/111314/what-causes-inflation-and-does-anyone-gain-it.asp#:~:text=Key%20Takeaways-,Inflation%20is%20a%20measure%20of%20the%20rate%20of%20rising%20prices,pay%20more%20for%20the%20product.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jun 30, 2022, 07:14 PMIt would be cool if people searched Google:
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/111314/what-causes-inflation-and-does-anyone-gain-it.asp#:~:text=Key%20Takeaways-,Inflation%20is%20a%20measure%20of%20the%20rate%20of%20rising%20prices,pay%20more%20for%20the%20product.
You said raising taxes and the minimum wage leads to inflation. The article you linked to didn't say anything about the inflationary effects of raising the minimum wage, and it said that
reduced taxes may cause inflation by increasing demand.
The article did discuss a relationship between inflation and increased wages broadly, but that's much different from saying that increases in the minimum wage cause inflation.
Nice try?
Stop being a troll and do some reading:
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052815/does-raising-minimum-wage-increase-inflation.asp
I'm done with this topic, enjoy your $6 a gallon gas and pitiful rebate.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jun 30, 2022, 07:29 PMStop being a troll and do some reading:
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052815/does-raising-minimum-wage-increase-inflation.asp
I'm done with this topic, enjoy your $6 a gallon gas and pitiful rebate.
LOL. Do you even read the articles you link? This article concludes that there are conflicting views about whether increases in the minimum wage lead to inflation.
Quote from: Danno on Jun 30, 2022, 04:13 PMguess math isn't your strong suit, ca gas tax is 51.2 cents, the increase is tied to inflation
Here you go since you don't want to tell the whole story.
https://ktla.com/news/taxes-fees-make-up-1-18-per-gallon-of-gas-in-california/ (https://ktla.com/news/taxes-fees-make-up-1-18-per-gallon-of-gas-in-california/)
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jun 30, 2022, 07:29 PMStop being a troll and do some reading:
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052815/does-raising-minimum-wage-increase-inflation.asp
I'm done with this topic, enjoy your $6 a gallon gas and pitiful rebate.
You do know this is a standard ploy by most politicians, specifically Democrats who like to use and abuse people for their gain and then throw them away when they're done with them. The rebate is similar to the stimulus ploy in which a small some was given back to people because they know people are dumb enough to be bought and distracted. It's why you see their rabid fanbase defending them while they get rimmed up the ass.