I can't find the post where I predicted Trump would run for President again but it's happened.......
It was very obvious to me he would.
Quote from: dogwalker on Nov 15, 2022, 07:56 PMI can't find the post where I predicted Trump would run for President again but it's happened.......
It was very obvious to me he would.
We've discussed it here several times. I thought it was obvious to just about everyone?
The only question I have is WHY???? Trump is a lightning rod and as such almost guarantees the Democrats a win in the next election cycle. While many of the policies that were put in place were great, he is a piece of narcissistic shit.
Quote from: CigarMan on Nov 16, 2022, 06:21 AMWhile many of the policies that were put in place were great, he is a piece of narcissistic shit.
I couldn't have said it better. As a lifelong card-carrying Republican I have never voted for Trump, nor would I ever. He's a POS.
The show MUST go on! (At all costs)
FAKE America Great Again!
My prediction was a long time ago like the day after he "beat" Biden, not recently.
name a few so I can explain it to a 6th grader
Quote from: CigarMan on Nov 16, 2022, 06:21 AMThe only question I have is WHY???? Trump is a lightning rod and as such almost guarantees the Democrats a win in the next election cycle. While many of the policies that were put in place were great, he is a piece of narcissistic shit.
Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner the former president's beloved daughter appears to want no part of a Trump 2024 campaign, pointedly skipping his launch event and then telling reporters that she "did not plan to be involved in politics". "This time around, I am choosing to prioritise my young children and the private life we are creating as a family," Ms Trump said. "While I will always love and support my father, going forward I will do so outside the political arena."
More and more big-money bundlers are abandoning former President Donald Trump's bid to return to the White House in 2024 in favor of rising GOP stars like Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Link (https://nypost.com/2022/11/16/gop-megadonors-ditch-donald-trumps-2024-white-house-run/)
Quote from: HighStepper on Nov 16, 2022, 04:08 PMIvanka Trump and Jared Kushner the former president's beloved daughter appears to want no part of a Trump 2024 campaign, pointedly skipping his launch event and then telling reporters that she "did not plan to be involved in politics". "This time around, I am choosing to prioritise my young children and the private life we are creating as a family," Ms Trump said. "While I will always love and support my father, going forward I will do so outside the political arena."
When the Trump Family Grifters sat for a 60 Minutes interview shortly after the 2016 election, Vanky said she was just going to be a daughter. Here's the transcript of her response to Leslie Stahl's question about whether she would serve in her father's administration:
"I'm going to be a daughter," she said. "Wage equality, childcare. These are things that are very important for me. I'm very passionate about education. Really promoting more opportunities for women. So you know, there're a lot of things that I feel deeply, strongly about. But not in a formal administrative capacity."
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ivanka-went-daughter-special-assistant-162618213.html
Ivanka's statement, translated: I don't care if Dad goes to jail but I'm not going to prison for him, like so many of his friends have. I'm done with risking that.
Guess you couldn't come up with anything good that he did.
Quote from: Danno on Nov 16, 2022, 11:16 AMname a few so I can explain it to a 6th grader
Quote from: CigarMan on Nov 16, 2022, 06:21 AMThe only question I have is WHY???? Trump is a lightning rod and as such almost guarantees the Democrats a win in the next election cycle. While many of the policies that were put in place were great, he is a piece of narcissistic shit.
Trump is a bully, racist and sexist and those that follow him can use him as an excuse for them to have the same behaviors, after all, if the president can do/say that, then why can't they?
A few days ago Trump announced he's running for President and yesterday he got his Twitter account reinstated and leftists are having a mental meltdown. The past few days I stayed off social media and this website and it was relaxing, I did some reading and listened to music.
File photo of leftist meltdown...
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 20, 2022, 02:37 PMA few days ago Trump announced he's running for President and yesterday he got his Twitter account reinstated and leftists are having a mental meltdown.
What is this "meltdown?" Where is it?
If you're talking about a few people complaining on social media, well, that happens on both sides all day, every day.
Quote from: bats on Nov 20, 2022, 03:40 PMWhat is this "meltdown?" Where is it?
Mainly on this website.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 20, 2022, 03:53 PMMainly on this website.
Still looking for where people are melting down...
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 20, 2022, 03:53 PMMainly on this website.
A search shows that nobody on this site has used either "tweet" or "Twitter" since Trump announced. Otherwise, it's just the usual discussion about a prominent political figure in the political forum.
But if it somehow makes you feel good go ahead and imagine that a "meltdown" is happening
Trump's reinstatement on Twitter: but what has changed? I'd say nothing so no one should have a meltdown. So far Trump said he's not going to use Twitter in spite of his account being restored.......duh..... because he now owns his own social media site, Truth Social, where he gets to make the rules.
The one thing about that situation that disappointed me is Trump was reinstated by voting on Twitter. So that says to me Twitter's terms of service only applies to certain people. Letting a public vote on a social media site overrule a corporate policy seems dumb. Imagine if the general public could do that for other corporate rules. Yes there is more traffic on Twitter now but only because it's become that train wreck some have to see, not because it's better than it was before Musk owned it. So far, since Musk bought Twitter it seems like it's been a disaster, mostly for the employees. Instead of being a place one could find real information about the very latest things happening in the world it seems like Twitter is devolving into a useless clown show.
I thought this was funny:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1594394966221914112
Quote from: dogwalker on Nov 20, 2022, 05:40 PMTrump's reinstatement on Twitter: but what has changed? I'd say nothing so no one should have a meltdown. So far Trump said he's not going to use Twitter in spite of his account being restored.......duh..... because he now owns his own social media site, Truth Social, where he gets to make the rules.
The one thing about that situation that disappointed me is Trump was reinstated by voting on Twitter. So that says to me Twitter's terms of service only applies to certain people. Letting a public vote on a social media site overrule a corporate policy seems dumb. Imagine if the general public could do that for other corporate rules. Yes there is more traffic on Twitter now but only because it's become that train wreck some have to see, not because it's better than it was before Musk owned it. So far, since Musk bought Twitter it seems like it's been a disaster, mostly for the employees. Instead of being a place one could find real information about the very latest things happening in the world it seems like Twitter is devolving into a useless clown show.
Also, part of the thing with Musk buying Twitter was a concern about all the bots on the platform, one which wasn't resolved. So, to think that a real vote could be taken on a platform EVERYBODY knows has tons of Trumpbots is, well, pretty damn stupid...
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/tech/elon-musk-twitter-bot-analysis-cyabra
Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 20, 2022, 01:52 PMTrump is a bully, racist and sexist and those that follow him can use him as an excuse for them to have the same behaviors, after all, if the president can do/say that, then why can't they?
Most of that I agree with, I am curious about the racist part? How is it that someone who received the award from the NAACP for supporting them and then hires more people of color that his predecessor racist?
It's mostly lies from Democrats, they also say Trump is an anti-Semite when his daughter and son-in-law are Jewish.
There is not one tweet, speech, whatever of him making anti-Semitic remarks.
Trump is a longtime racist and anti-Semite. The racism goes back at least as far as the 1970s, when DOJ sued Donald and his dad for housing discrimination.
Then there were the full-page ads Donald ran in the NY newspapers urging the conviction of five black kids known as the Central Park Five. (They were all exonerated more than a decade later, but Donald has never conceded that he was wrong about the case.)
His anti-Semitism also runs deep. There are many examples. A simple Google search will show you, though I'm sure some people will refuse to see what is right in front of their faces.
award 1986 Posts on social media claim that former U.S. President Donald Trump was awarded a medal of honor by the Ellis Island Honors Society in 1986 "for contributing to the conditions of inner city [sic] Black youths, standing alongside Muhammad Ali and Rosa Parks." This claim is partly false: though Trump, along with Ali and Parks, was a recipient of one of the inaugural Ellis Island Medals of Honor, it was given in acknowledgement of his German heritage and his contributions to New York's business and real estate world, rather than civil rights or racial justice.
Quote from: CigarMan on Nov 21, 2022, 06:49 AMMost of that I agree with, I am curious about the racist part? How is it that someone who received the award from the NAACP for supporting them and then hires more people of color that his predecessor racist?
Democrats and the MSM throw accusations to see what will stick:
This past weekend several Democrats in Congress said allowing Trump back on Twitter would be dangerous, yes dangerous to free speech. As of this morning Trump still hasn't tweeted anything.
Quote from: CigarMan on Nov 21, 2022, 06:49 AMMost of that I agree with, I am curious about the racist part? How is it that someone who received the award from the NAACP for supporting them and then hires more people of color that his predecessor racist?
Glad you asked!
First, on his award by the NAACP:
https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-2601590439
THE FACTS: Trump was among the first group of Americans to be given the award, which recognized people from a variety of ethnic backgrounds who have made significant contributions to the country, Otto Coca, communications director for the Ellis Island Honors Society told The Associated Press Monday. But Trump was
honored for his work as a successful developer in New York City and his German heritage, Coca said, not for helping inner city youth.So no, that award had NOTHING to do with honoring him by the Black community for things that he did for them and in fact, the NAACP has come out strenuously AGAINST Trump's behavior:
https://naacp.org/articles/naacp-delivers-scathing-message-response-president-trumps-tweets-labeling-citizens-thugs
On to the next thing, why do people believe he's racist:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-racism-asian-mcconnell-youngkin-b2227283.html
""Is McConnell approving all of these Trillions of Dollars worth of Democrat sponsored Bills, without even the slightest bit of negotiation, because he hates Donald J. Trump, and he knows I am strongly opposed to them, or is he doing it because he believes in the Fake and Highly Destructive Green New Deal, and is willing to take the Country down with him?" Mr Trump wrote on Truth Social. "In any event, either reason is unacceptable. He has a DEATH WISH. Must immediately seek help and advise from his
China loving wife, Coco Chow!
The lack of understanding of political history necessary to accuse a Taiwanese immigrant of being "China-loving" aside, Mr Trump's deliberate misspelling of Ms Chao's family name is not the first time he's hurled racist abuse at his former secretary of Transportation, only the latest.
l performance by his hand-selected candidates in last week's midterms, Mr Trump once again took to his social media platform to bash rivals in the GOP who had blamed him and the Maga movement for their party's failings. One of those rivals targeted by the former president was Glenn Youngkin, the new governor of Virginia who became a rising star in the party after defeating Terry McAuliffe in a highly-watched race last year. Quipping that Mr Youngkin's name "sounds Chinese, doesn't it?", the ex-president insisted that the Virginia governor "couldn't have won without me".
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/14/trump-congress-go-back-where-they-came-from-1415692
"President Donald Trump, jumping into the middle of a feud among House Democrats, called out progressive congresswomen in xenophobic terms on Sunday, saying, "Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came."
While he didn't mention them by name in his series of tweets, Trump was presumably targeting some of the caucus's best-known freshman women of color: Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.).
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918483794/from-debate-stage-trump-declines-to-denounce-white-supremacy
WALLACE: You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out antifa and other left-wing extremist groups. But are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Are you prepared to specifically do that?
TRUMP: Sure, I'm prepared to do that. But I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. If you look, I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace.
WALLACE: Then do it, sir.
BIDEN: Do it. Say it.
TRUMP: You want to call them? What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead — who would you like me to condemn?
WALLACE: White supremacists, white supremacists and right-wing militia.
TRUMP: Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.
As already stated, Trump has a history of being racist against Blacks and housing: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-check-trump-had-been-accused-of-racism-by-contemporaries-prior-to-presidential-campaign-idUSL1N2MT312
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
Trump launched his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech in which he spoke with an extremist view of Mexican immigrants: "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." He said that Justice Gonzalo P. Curiel, who was born in Indiana, should be disqualified from deciding cases against him because "this judge is of Mexican heritage". He retweeted false statistics claiming that African Americans are responsible for the majority of murders of white Americans, and in some speeches he has repeatedly linked African Americans and Hispanics with violent crime.] During the campaign, Trump used the fears of the white working class voters, and created the impression of global danger of groups that are deemed to pose a challenge to the nation
The U.S. Department of Justice concluded that Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio oversaw the worst pattern of racial profiling in U.S. history.[121] The illegal tactics that he was using included "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates". The DoJ filed suit against him for unlawful discriminatory police conduct. He ignored their orders and was subsequently convicted of contempt of court for continuing to racially profile Hispanics. Calling him "a great American patriot", President Trump pardoned him soon afterwards, even before sentencing took place. House speaker Paul Ryan, and both Arizona senators, John McCain and Jeff Flake, were critical of Trump's decision. Constitutional scholars also opposed the decision to grant the pardon, which according to Harvard Law School professor Noah Feldman was "an assault on the federal judiciary, the constitution and the rule of law itself". The American Civil Liberties Union, which was involved in the case resulting in Arpaio's conviction, tweeted: "By pardoning Joe Arpaio, Donald Trump has sent another disturbing signal to an emboldened white nationalist movement that this White House supports racism and bigotry." According to ACLU deputy legal director Cecilia Wang, the pardon was "a presidential endorsement of racism"
In her 2012 campaign for the Senate, Elizabeth Warren's opponent raised accusations concerning Warren's having listed partial Native American ancestry on her profile in a professional directory. Warren denies that she ever claimed to be a minority for the purpose of securing employment, and a review of her employment history and interviews of her past employers has been unable to find anything that supports the charge. Picking up on the controversy, Trump has frequently referred to her as "Pocahontas", including at a White House event where he addressed Native American veterans who served in the US military during World War II. Warren responded: "It was deeply unfortunate that the President of the United States cannot even make it through a ceremony honoring these heroes without throwing out a racial slur."
On June 28, 2020, Trump retweeted video footage of Trump supporters and anti-Trump protesters arguing with one another during which a supporter is recorded yelling, among other things, 'White Power'. He praised supporters in the retweet, calling them "great people" in his caption of a video uploaded and tweeted by another account. Trump wrote "Thank you to the great people of The Villages. The Radical Left Do Nothing Democrats will Fall in the Fall. Corrupt Joe is shot. See you soon!!!".The tweet included an embedded video showing several pro-Trump senior citizens in Florida having an exchange with anti-Trump protestors and supporters of Black Lives Matter as well as Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.
n his book published in September 2020, journalist Bob Woodward describes a recorded interview with Trump in which Woodward talks about white privilege. Woodward asked Trump if he was working to "understand the anger and the pain, particularly, Black people feel in this country." Trump replied "No. You really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you? Just listen to you. Wow. No, I don't feel that at all."
And of course, one of the first when he announced that he was launching his presidential bid. "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said. "...They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
His supporters continuously claim that liberals just want to paint him in a bad light, but his words do that for him.
Quote from: Danno on Nov 21, 2022, 10:36 AMaward 1986 Posts on social media claim that former U.S. President Donald Trump was awarded a medal of honor by the Ellis Island Honors Society in 1986 "for contributing to the conditions of inner city [sic] Black youths, standing alongside Muhammad Ali and Rosa Parks." This claim is partly false: though Trump, along with Ali and Parks, was a recipient of one of the inaugural Ellis Island Medals of Honor, it was given in acknowledgement of his German heritage and his contributions to New York's business and real estate world, rather than civil rights or racial justice.
Is that the one that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were present at?
Quote from: CigarMan on Nov 21, 2022, 12:42 PMIs that the one that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were present at?
It is possible that they were. Perhaps your point is relative to when Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson praised/thank Trump for his donations. Like many political savvy businessmen Trump made donations to community organizations. He was big donor to the Clintons. Trump changed back and forth from being a Democrat/Republican/Independent depending on what was politically expedient for him at any given time.
The initial reference to Trump being a recipient of the Ellis Island Honors was to claim he is not racist. I don't get into debates about is Trump a racist in his heart and mind. I observe that not all Trump supporters are racist, but all racist are Trump supporters. Wonder why that is?
I disagree that all racists are Trump Supporters, there are many racists on the Left who think that because you are a person of color you are incapable of getting an id, making a living etc. I call it the bigotry of low expectations and I detest it wherever it comes from.
That being said, I agree that many of the asshole racists do support Trump which is something else I do not understand.
Finally I sincerely hope Trump goes away, his brand of politics is way too divisive as is Pelosi's and Shumer's and McConnell.
Quote from: CigarMan on Nov 22, 2022, 06:06 AMI disagree that all racists are Trump Supporters, there are many racists on the Left who think that because you are a person of color you are incapable of getting an id, making a living etc. I call it the bigotry of low expectations and I detest it wherever it comes from.
That being said, I agree that many of the asshole racists do support Trump which is something else I do not understand.
Finally I sincerely hope Trump goes away, his brand of politics is way too divisive as is Pelosi's and Shumer's and McConnell.
If you support a racist and vote for them to be out in a position of power over others, isn't that just as bad as being one?
racists on the Left who think that because you are a person of color you are incapable of getting an id, making a living etc.
never heard that one before, must be a Fox talking point.
This coming from the same person who wrote 'Dr Oz should go back to Turkey'.
The hypocrisy of the left has no bounds.
Quote from: Danno on Nov 22, 2022, 10:45 AMracists on the Left who think that because you are a person of color you are incapable of getting an id, making a living etc.
never heard that one before, must be a Fox talking point.
I believe the poster may have been describing "playing the race card" in when people assert the reason for disadvantages is the person's race.
I used the generic term racist in saying how "racists" support Trump. Should have clarified white racists.
Top law enforcement officials say the domestic terror threat comes from white supremacists. Link (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/us/politics/domestic-terror-white-supremacists.html)
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 22, 2022, 11:59 AMThis coming from the same person who wrote 'Dr Oz should go back to Turkey'.
The hypocrisy of the left has no bounds.
Dr. Oz's vote in 2018 Turkish election renews criticism
Dr. Mehmet Oz has largely shied away from discussing his ties to Turkey where he maintains citizenship.Link (https://abcnews.go.com/US/dr-ozs-vote-2018-turkish-election-renews-criticism/story?id=84326742)
Personally I think he can live wherever he wants, like New Jersey, or any of his 12 residential properties around the world, lol.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 22, 2022, 11:59 AMThis coming from the same person who wrote 'Dr Oz should go back to Turkey'.
The hypocrisy of the left has no bounds.
Yeah, it's not like he was hounded for months over his birth certificate or anything.
Hypocrisy is a bitch...
Dr Oz was the one bragging about have citizenship in Turkey and would consider moving there if he lost.....
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 22, 2022, 11:59 AMThis coming from the same person who wrote 'Dr Oz should go back to Turkey'.
The hypocrisy of the left has no bounds.
Here are just a few of the lies in Trump's first "incredible campaign ad"
Claiming a double-standard with regard to the search of Mar-a-Lago, Trump wrongly said former President Barack Obama "took a lot of things with him" when he left office. The National Archives and Records Administration says it always controlled and managed Obama administration records after his tenure.
Trump claimed that "Joe Biden has intentionally surrendered our energy independence," but the U.S. was never 100% self-sufficient or not reliant on energy imports under Trump.
Comparing gasoline prices during his administration to Biden's, Trump cherry-picked the pandemic low during his administration and greatly exaggerated current prices. And in any case, experts say neither president was primarily responsible for the prices.
Trump also falsely claimed to have "filled up" the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which he said Biden has "virtually drained." Neither is true.
The former president wrongly said the southwest border was the "strongest ever" during his term and now is "open." Apprehensions, a proxy for illegal immigration, were higher during Trump's term than either of Obama's terms. While they've increased considerably under President Joe Biden, well over 1 million, at least, have been expelled.
Trump came up short of building the border wall he promised, despite his claim that he "completed" it.
Trump downplayed the risk of climate change, incorrectly stating that sea level rise will be just "one-eighth of an inch over the next 200 to 300 years." For U.S. coastlines, scientists project an increase of 10 to 12 inches in the next 30 years alone.
For a detailed response to each of Trump's falsehoods, go here: https://www.factcheck.org/2022/11/factchecking-trumps-presidential-bid-announcement/
I suppose it could be interpreted that way. That also assumes that I think he is a racist which I am still trying to find actual evidence of.
Quote from: CigarMan on Nov 23, 2022, 07:06 AMI suppose it could be interpreted that way. That also assumes that I think he is a racist which I am still trying to find actual evidence of.
There is no evidence, they keep throwing accusations to see what will stick.
They are totally oblivious to Biden's statements when he was a Senator pushing for the crime bill:
Quote from: Bande on Nov 22, 2022, 05:14 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZG4w94zo8&t=118s
Video:
ON A ROLL! Trump Drops 2nd Incredible Campaign Ad That'll Bring a Tear To Your EyeA studio edited bullshit video makes the MAGA cult excited.
However, in person, BORING.
Trump's announcement speech was so boring that people started leaving early before Trump finished. Staff kept people from leaving. Pathetic.
Trump's Announcementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPW2geDf4qY
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 23, 2022, 07:22 AMThere is no evidence, they keep throwing accusations to see what will stick.
They are totally oblivious to Biden's statements when he was a Senator pushing for the crime bill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-tBq85q6PI&t=2s
This video makes Trump look a lot worse than Biden. BTW, when will you ever hear narcissistic Trump admit that something he did was a mistake. Biden is advocating treatment over incarceration. Biden issued a presidential proclamation that pardons federal convictions for simple marijuana possession offenses.
Quote from: HighStepper on Nov 23, 2022, 12:00 PMThis video makes Trump look a lot worse than Biden. BTW, when will you ever hear narcissistic Trump admit that something he did was a mistake. Biden is advocating treatment over incarceration. Biden issued a presidential proclamation that pardons federal convictions for simple marijuana possession offenses.
IMO that video makes Trump look calm and collected, Biden stutters and looks unhinged.
I watched that debate on TV and I yelled at the TV: "You are a f..king liar Biden."
Biden lied about saying that in 1993, he didn't say black men are super predators but everyone knew who he was talking about.
Look how well he spoke back then...
Remember we started down this path to counter Trump being racist by showing Biden to have supported a racist bill. (I do not agree with the premise relative to Trump or Biden)
The video you posted shows a passionate and eloquent plea. Us Republican law and order folks would applaud it.
1994 crime bill earmarked billions in funding for states to build new prisons, train and hire additional police, expanded the federal death penalty and instituted a federal "three-strikes" life sentence mandate, which was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
The crime bill included the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, or the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. The law prohibited the manufacture, transfer, or possession of a semiautomatic assault weapon.
The bill passed in the House of Representatives with 188 Democrats, 46 Republicans, and 1 Independent voting in favor of it. Against the bill were 64 Democrats and 131 Republicans. (can you say bipartisan)
In the Senate, the bill passed with the support of 54 Democrats and 7 Republicans. The opposition to the vote included 2 Democrats and 36 Republicans, with 1 Republican not voting. (can you say bipartisan)
The 1994 crime bill had wide support in the black community tired of black on black crime. Numerous black mayors and dozens of pastors from the community signed a letter in favor of it.
My issue is Biden lied about what he said back then, he(and other Democrats) said the crime bill was a mistake in 2020 during the debates. "Stop and frisk" was successful in reducing crime in NYC that Mike Bloomberg used when he was mayor, he later apologized during the Democrat debates of 2020. They were clearly pandering for votes.
When Trump was President he pardoned many inmates who were convicted in the 90's due to the crime bill.
Biden and Mike Bloomberg apologizing during the Democrat debates of 2020. They were clearly pandering for votes. Politicians changing political rhetoric for votes. That is your issue? Seriously? I do not think we want to go there, listing Democrat/Republican candidates that do this.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 23, 2022, 01:20 PMMy issue is Biden lied
This from the guy who is just fine with the most prolific liar in American political history. Consistency doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
All politicians lie, the issue is making the voters think you are telling the truth.
Quote from: Bande on Nov 22, 2022, 05:14 PM
It's funny. Weren't you the one railing about how bad it was that a studio-made video was just a few weeks ago?
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 23, 2022, 02:10 PMAll politicians lie, the issue is making the voters think you are telling the truth.
What does this even mean?
Quote from: bats on Nov 23, 2022, 04:36 PMWhat does this even mean?
'Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. '
- George Orwell
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 23, 2022, 04:52 PM- George Orwell
George Orwell's book
Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949). Gave good warning. So, we should not be susceptible to con artist like Trump and the Right Wing echo chamber.
Actually 1984 was about all totalitarian governments. Animal Farm was about the Soviet Union, he wrote it during WWII but the British didn't want to piss off Stalin so they waited until after the war to publish it.
I believe it was Biden that wanted a disinformation board to fact check until critics complained it was too much like the "ministry of truth" in 1984:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/05/18/disinformation-board-dhs-nina-jankowicz/
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 23, 2022, 04:52 PM'Political language – and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists – is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. '
- George Orwell
So this was your way of both-sidesing Trump's firehose of lies? Give me a break.
You guys need to take a break from TDS and read some Orwell books.
Peace out and happy Thanksgiving.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 23, 2022, 06:19 PMYou guys need to take a break from TDS and read some Orwell books.
Anyone who uses the term "TDS" is resorting to a meaningless defense of the former president.
Quote from: bats on Nov 23, 2022, 06:27 PMAnyone who uses the term "TDS" is resorting to a meaningless defense of the former president.
You gotta love the fact that they can and will go on and on and on AND ON about Biden and Obama, never changing but start talking about Trump and it HAS to be TDS
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 23, 2022, 02:10 PMAll politicians lie, the issue is making the voters think you are telling the truth.
Think that Dr. Jeffrey Pelt (the National Security Advisor to the President of the United States
- the character in the The Hunt for Red October novel)
said it best and speaks for all politicians about lying.
Fact is during Trumps Administration, he accomplished so much than anyone could conceive. To bad many keep crying over stupid words while the economy goes to SHIT with this current Administration. Crybabies get no where. The Nation has turned to PUSSIES when stupid words make one think stupid shit..
Once again I have issues with Some of Trumps actions, overall he accomplished so much in 4 years Than ANY PRESIDENT IN RECENT HISORY.
In 2 years ECONOMY has gone to shit and we have gone from energy independent to energy dependent. And yes ChinaBiden accomplished this.
Quote from: Bande on Nov 25, 2022, 06:34 PMFact is during Trumps Administration, he accomplished so much than anyone could conceive. To bad many keep crying over stupid words while the economy goes to SHIT with this current Administration. Crybabies get no where. The Nation has turned to PUSSIES when stupid words make one think stupid shit..
Once again I have issues with Some of Trumps actions, overall he accomplished so much in 4 years Than ANY PRESIDENT IN RECENT HISORY.
In 2 years ECONOMY has gone to shit and we have gone from energy independent to energy dependent. And yes ChinaBiden accomplished this.
Uhm. Crying over stupid words? This coming from the same person who ENDLESSLY goes on about Biden being deficient because according to you he can't talk?
Quote from: Bande on Nov 25, 2022, 06:34 PMFact is during Trumps Administration, he accomplished so much than anyone could conceive. To bad many keep crying over stupid words while the economy goes to SHIT with this current Administration. Crybabies get no where. The Nation has turned to PUSSIES when stupid words make one think stupid shit..
Once again I have issues with Some of Trumps actions, overall he accomplished so much in 4 years Than ANY PRESIDENT IN RECENT HISORY.
In 2 years ECONOMY has gone to shit and we have gone from energy independent to energy dependent. And yes ChinaBiden accomplished this.
This is the "mean tweets" defense of Trump. Some on the right use this to suggest that Trump's only problem was being a social media bully, and gosh darn it why are liberals so thin-skinned anyway?
It conveniently ignores Trump's blatant misconduct throughout both his presidential campaigns and his time in office. It also ignores his continued criminality after leaving office.
Most remarkably, a lot of right-wingers seem to think it was understandable that Trump led a multi-faceted conspiracy to overturn a presidential election, including inciting a violent attack on the capitol.
People who continue to support Trump or anyone like him are plainly anti-democratic. And that makes those people, whether they realize it or not, anti-American.
Still waiting for the list of things that they think Trump did that was good for the average American
One year his tax cut saved me about $1000. I have no idea what his tax policies did for the "average American."
COVID vaccines....DUH! No further comment because this should be obvious......
One of my biggest concerns before Trump took office was that he'd start a major war like with North Korea. He didn't do that so I'd count that as something he did NOT do that was good.
One year his tax cut saved me about $1000. I have no idea what his tax policies did for the "average American."
the middle class tax cut is set to expire in 2024. The rich get to keep their cut.
Here's Biden back in 1988 when he first ran for President...
It was all lies and he has more hair nowadays, how is that possible?
All politicians lie. In fact, all people do. So what. Fact of life.
Quote from: dogwalker on Nov 30, 2022, 06:52 PMAll politicians lie. In fact, all people do. So what. Fact of life.
I agree and that's my point, they are all pathological liars.
Quote from: dogwalker on Nov 30, 2022, 06:52 PMAll politicians lie. In fact, all people do. So what. Fact of life.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 30, 2022, 07:12 PMI agree and that's my point, they are all pathological liars.
Hold the phone. They are not all pathological liars. There is a huge difference between a person like Biden, who lies like a normal politician, and a sociopath like Trump, who lies constantly, compulsively, and pathologically.
Let's not equate two things that are so clearly not equivalent.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 30, 2022, 07:12 PMI agree and that's my point, they are all pathological liars.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/pathological-liars
Pathological liars tell compulsive lies without a clear motive. This type of lying is different than nonpathological lying, where the lie is often beneficial in some way.
Lying is a common feature of social interactions among humans. This behavior even occurs in some animals, such as monkeys.
Lies often lead to some benefit. For example, a person may lie to avoid social embarrassment. While some people lie more frequently than others, it is not typically a sign of a mental health condition.
Lying refers to making a false statement to deceive others intentionally, often for some form of personal gain.
Nonpathological lying is commonplace and not a sign of any disorder. A person who pathologically lies will lie compulsively and without any clear benefit to themselves.
Gee, I wonder which one describes Trump, who once lied and created his own sharpied weather map, and which Biden?
I don't personally know Trump or Biden so I feel I can't accurately comment on their personality traits.
From what I see on the news Trump comes off a a blatant liar. Biden may just be better at hiding it.
"50 years" from now....as with all governments.....US citizens will likely hear about all sorts of secret things done in recent years no matter who was President. I doubt any of them are angels even though some like that as their narrative (Obama)
Biden threatens people who ask him questions, in that video I posted he questioned the IQ of that man.
When he was campaigning in 2020 he also threatened anyone who dare ask him a question.
Biden said he had a full-scholarship and placed at the top of his class when in reality he had a half-scholarship and placed at the bottom of his class.
I don't give a shit what kind of liar he is.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Dec 01, 2022, 07:26 AMBiden threatens people who ask him questions, in that video I posted he questioned the IQ of that man.
When he was campaigning in 2020 he also threatened anyone who dare ask him a question.
Biden said he had a full-scholarship and placed at the top of his class when in reality he had a half-scholarship and placed at the bottom of his class.
I don't give a shit what kind of liar he is.
So, it would seem that two people could engage in similar behavior, yet the condemnation of the behavior depends on whether you like or don't like the person.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Dec 01, 2022, 07:26 AMBiden threatens people who ask him questions, in that video I posted he questioned the IQ of that man.
When he was campaigning in 2020 he also threatened anyone who dare ask him a question.
Biden said he had a full-scholarship and placed at the top of his class when in reality he had a half-scholarship and placed at the bottom of his class.
I don't give a shit what kind of liar he is.
I always love it when conservatives rail about a subject but then turn a blind eye on the fact that Trump is usually the poster boy for what they are complaining about:
https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/trump-call-violence-presidency
Quote from: Romanticlover on Dec 01, 2022, 07:26 AMWhen he was campaigning in 2020 he also threatened anyone who dare ask him a question.
You're making shit up again.
Making shit up huh?
You sound just like senile lying Biden...
WTF is a lying dogface pony?
Quote from: Romanticlover on Dec 01, 2022, 01:00 PMMaking shit up huh?
You sound just like senile lying Biden...
WTF is a lying dogface pony?
Note that I quoted your claim that Biden "
threatened anyone who dare ask him a question" during the 2020 campaign. Neither of the two videos you posted shows Biden threatening anyone. In fact, I'm not sure what it is that you think those videos prove.
And for Christ's sake, you can't even get the quote right. He said the lady was "a lying dogface pony
soldier." It's an expression Biden has used before. He apparently thinks it comes from a John Wayne movie, though it's not clear that it does. The point is that he was telling the lady that she was full of shit when she said she'd been to a caucus in Iowa. The audience, including the lady, apparently thought it was funny. But was she lying? I have no idea, but again there's no threat from Biden in the exchange.