https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/08/us/trump-indictment-documents
The Justice Department took the legally and politically momentous step of lodging federal criminal charges against former President Donald J. Trump, multiple people familiar with the matter said on Thursday, following a lengthy investigation of his handling of classified documents that he took with him upon leaving office and then obstructing the government's efforts to reclaim them.
The indictment, filed in Federal District Court in Miami, is the first time in American history a former president has faced federal charges. It puts the nation in an extraordinary position, given Mr. Trump's status not only as a onetime chief executive but also as the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination to face President Biden, whose administration will now be seeking to convict his potential rival.
It was not immediately known what specific charges Mr. Trump is facing. One person briefed on the matter said there were seven counts.
Mr. Trump is expected to surrender himself to authorities in Miami on Tuesday, according to a person close to him and his own post on Truth Social.
And, for those poor Trump excusers who will say "FAKE NEWS!!!!"
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/donald-trump-says-hes-been-indicted-on-charges-of-mishandling-classified-documents
MIAMI (AP) — Donald Trump said Tuesday he's been indicted on charges of mishandling classified documents at his Florida estate, igniting a federal prosecution that is arguably the most perilous of multiple legal threats against the former president as he seeks to reclaim the White House.
The Justice Department did not immediately publicly confirm the indictment.
Trump is currently in Bedminster, New Jersey. A person familiar with the situation who was not authorized to discuss it publicly said Trump's lawyers were contacted by prosecutors shortly before he announced on his Truth Social platform that he had been indicted.
Within 20 minutes of his announcement, Trump had begun fundraising off it for his 2024 presidential campaign.
Trump said he is due in court Tuesday afternoon in Miami.
lots of baggage, as the saying goes
And, of course, as usual, Trump fanatics lose their what little minds they have:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxjjgb/trump-supporters-are-threatening-civil-war
In what is becoming a now all-too-familiar trend, former President Donald Trump's far-right supporters have threatened civil war after news broke Thursday that the former president was indicted for allegedly taking classified documents from the White House without permission.
"We need to start killing these traitorous fuckstains," wrote one Trump supporter on The Donald, a rabidly pro-Trump message board that played a key role in planning the January 6 attack on the Capitol. Another user added: "It's not gonna stop until bodies start stacking up. We are not civilly represented anymore and they'll come for us next. Some of us, they already have."
Trump supporters are making specific threats too. In one post on The Donald titled, "A little bit about Merrick Garland, his wife, his daughters," a user shared a link to an article about the attorney general's children.
Under the post, another user replied: "His children are fair game as far as I'm concerned."
In addition to threats of violence against lawmakers and politicians, many were also calling for a civil war.
"Perhaps it's time for that Civil War that the damn DemoKKKrats have been trying to start for years now," a member of The Donald wrote. Another, referencing former President Barack Obama and former secretary of State Hillary Clinton, said: "FACT: OUR FOREFATHERS WOULD HAVE HUNG THESE TWO FOR TREASON..."
I am avidly waiting to hear someone defend this sedition and the killing of children...
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/trump-indictment-in-classified-records-case-is-unsealed.html
Trump charged with 37 counts in classified documents case, indictment says
A 37-count criminal indictment against Donald Trump for retaining classified government records and conspiring to prevent their return to U.S. officials was unsealed Friday.
The charging document was made public a day after the former president was indicted by a grand jury in U.S. District Court in Miami.
Among other allegations, the indictment says that Trump showed classified documents to other people in the summer of 2021, after leaving office.
One of those documents was a "plan of attack" that he said was prepared by the Pentagon, while the other was a classified map related to a military operation, the indictment alleges.
Also charged in the indictment was Trump's valet, Walter Nauta, who faces several of the same charges as his boss, with whom he allegedly conspired to keep classified records and hide them from a federal grand jury.
The indictment says Trump was aware of the highly sensitive nature of the documents, quoting him at one point as saying: "As president, I could have declassified it ... but this is still secret."
We have a set of laws that apply to everyone.
Read the indictment, which has been unsealed.
Trump is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
The case will be presented to a jury of his peers in Florida.
Trump only has himself to blame. He brought this on his own through his hubris.
Trump signed the law, when he was President, to increase the penalties for the crime he is being charged with.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Jun 09, 2023, 11:15 AMAnd, of course, as usual, Trump fanatics lose their what little minds they have:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxjjgb/trump-supporters-are-threatening-civil-war
As we have previously discussed MAGA Maniacs Incite Violence (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=7903)
He sure has a lot of legal troubles!
Quote from: HighStepper on Jun 09, 2023, 01:32 PMWe have a set of laws that apply to everyone.
Read the indictment, which has been unsealed.
Trump is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
The case will be presented to a jury of his peers in Florida.
Trump only has himself to blame. He brought this on his own through his hubris.
Trump signed the law, when he was President, to increase the penalties for the crime he is being charged with.
This rule of law does not apply to everyone.
This is Political. Sad to see the Justice dept prosecuting 1 party only.
The People should be OUTRAGED over the obvious politically motivated charges.
Hillary was not convicted and she actually destroyed evidence.
ChinaBiden has not been prosecuted so far.
Kind of weird this happened on the same day the story broke on ChinaBidens Crime family accepting payments for Favors. Cover up a Demoncrat issue with Trump Bullshit.
Legal scholars have stated this as well.
Purely a Political move. They can not get the Most Popular Republican candidate out, therefore, lets occupy Trump with all these Legal issues.
In actuality these stunts are making Trump more popular as people see the Swamp at work
Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMThis rule of law does not apply to everyone.
This is Political. Sad to see the Justice dept prosecuting 1 party only.
The People should be OUTRAGED over the obvious politically motivated charges.
Hillary was not convicted and she actually destroyed evidence.
ChinaBiden has not been prosecuted so far.
Kind of weird this happened on the same day the story broke on ChinaBidens Crime family accepting payments for Favors. Cover up a Demoncrat issue with Trump Bullshit.
Legal scholars have stated this as well.
Purely a Political move. They can not get the Most Popular Republican candidate out, therefore, lets occupy Trump with all these Legal issues.
In actuality these stunts are making Trump more popular as people see the Swamp at work
When are you going to figure out that Fox News and Benny Johnson and Dr. Steve Turley are all fucking liars?
Also, legal scholars? Give me a break.
Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMThis rule of law does not apply to everyone.
This is Political. Sad to see the Justice dept prosecuting 1 party only.
The People should be OUTRAGED over the obvious politically motivated charges.
Hillary was not convicted and she actually destroyed evidence.
ChinaBiden has not been prosecuted so far.
So you admit that what Trump did was wrong just like Biden, Pence, Hillary Clinton. Your issue seems to be that Clinton is not getting punished, only Trump. Biden's taking documents is still under investigation. Remember he is a sitting President. Pence did not lie and obstruct justice. Trump is NOT in trouble for the documents he returned after the subpoena. It is what he kept and lied about.
Hillary Clinton mishandling of information was a misdemeanor, while Trump's mishandling of information is a felony. Remember, Trump made it a felony.
The Trump Justice Department found that indicting Clinton was not warranted. Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMPurely a Political move. They can not get the Most Popular Republican candidate out, therefore, lets occupy Trump with all these Legal issues.
In actuality these stunts are making Trump more popular as people see the Swamp at work
That is exactly what Joe Biden is praying for. He wants the Republican nominee to be Trump.
Trump is probably the only Republican Biden can beat.
Real Republicans are tired of losing. When are the MAGA Republicans going to get tired of losing?
Quote from: bats on Jun 09, 2023, 10:01 PMQuote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMPurely a Political move.
So I finally got a chance to read the actual indictment. Holy shit. The facts as the special counsel has laid them out, and assuming they're able to prove them, are utterly devastating to Trump.
Because Trump is a major political figure, they would not have brought these charges
unless they had overwhelming evidence. So I think we can safely assume they will be able to prove all the charges beyond a reasonable doubt.
No wonder Trump and his media allies are flooding the zone with the usual claims of political motivation and corruption within the DOJ. In an actual courtroom, they won't have any viable defense.
lets occupy Trump with all these Legal issues.
That has been Trumps way his entire life. Everything about him is to lie and scam people.
From the 1980s until he was elected president in 2016, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts, including battles with casino patrons, million-dollar real estate lawsuits, personal defamation lawsuits, and over 100 business tax disputes.
Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMHillary was not convicted and she actually destroyed evidence.
NO ONE wanted to go after Hillary due to the infamous "Clinton Death Count" theory. This is one right-wing conspiracy I can get behind. Far toooooooo many people have died with close ties to the Clinton's, many of who were going to testify, or knew too much.
Here's a link to a thoughtful piece on the indictment by a federal criminal defense attorney who is not a blind partisan and is, in fact, skeptical of federal prosecutors, having been one himself when he was younger. He concludes that while the indictment is devastating for Trump on its merits, the system may fail once again to hold him accountable because of the defendant's unique position in society. He reasons, however, that the decision to proceed with prosecution, even if it ultimately fails, is clearly the correct one if we give a damn about the rule of law.
https://bit.ly/3P4oOHe
Quote from: bats on Jun 09, 2023, 10:01 PMWhen are you going to figure out that Fox News and Benny Johnson and Dr. Steve Turley are all fucking liars?
Also, legal scholars? Give me a break.
So you are saying Hilary did not destroy evidence.
And ChinaBiden did not take payments for lobbying?
You really to check your facts...
That clearly states it is a political movement that has soiled OUR Justice system.
You seriously need to open your eyes and get out of your priveledged life in which has you brainwashed..
Stop listening to your parties LIES. Lies that have been proven over n over and yet you still support them. Says alot about you..
Quote from: Bande on Jun 10, 2023, 07:19 PMSo you are saying Hilary did not destroy evidence.
And ChinaBiden did not take payments for lobbying?
You really to check your facts...
That clearly states it is a political movement that has soiled OUR Justice system.
You seriously need to open your eyes and get out of your priveledged life in which has you brainwashed..
Stop listening to your parties LIES. Lies that have been proven over n over and yet you still support them. Says alot about you..
Sure, give us some and we'll check them. But up until no you've given us opinion, with a distinct lack of verifiable facts...
Quote from: Blkfyre on Jun 10, 2023, 07:26 PMSure, give us some and we'll check them. But up until no you've given us opinion, with a distinct lack of verifiable facts...
Us? Look, Bando was replying to
me. His digs were specifically directed at
me.
If you want to reply for yourself, that's fine. But please don't make it appear as though we're speaking as one; I prefer to speak for myself.
Quote from: Bande on Jun 10, 2023, 07:19 PMSo you are saying Hilary did not destroy evidence.
And ChinaBiden did not take payments for lobbying?
You really to check your facts...
That clearly states it is a political movement that has soiled OUR Justice system.
You seriously need to open your eyes and get out of your priveledged life in which has you brainwashed..
Stop listening to your parties LIES. Lies that have been proven over n over and yet you still support them. Says alot about you..
1. The FBI investigated Hillary's email server and the deleted emails. Eventually, those dastardly Republicans at the FBI concluded that the facts didn't warrant prosecuting her.
2. There is no publicly available evidence that would lead any reasonable person to conclude that Hillary's case is comparable to Trump's. It's a common tactic for children accused of one bad thing to point out unrelated wrongdoing by their siblings. Trump is a pro at it, and his media allies are following his lead. It's called deflection.
3. There's no publicly available evidence suggesting the kind of quid pro quo scheme between Biden and China that Republicans and right-wingers have been whining about since God knows when. This is just another deflection. Of course, if any evidence does turn up, by all means, it should be investigated.
4. There's no evidence that the DOJ operates out of political motivation. That's another line that Trump has spewed for a long time, and right-wingers (again) have lapped it up.
Hilary Clinton gave 11 hours of testimony before Congress. Trump 0 hours.
The Trump Justice Department found no basis to indict Clinton.
So, can we please stop with the Jim Jordan bullshit about unfair treatment between Clinton and Trump?
silence from the left. Go figure.
In the first video, Fox News legal analyst Greg Jarrett compares Trump's case to a lawsuit involving audiotapes kept as personal records by Bill Clinton. But the ruling in the Clinton case does not imply unrestricted authority over all records, especially classified ones.
The PRA allows a president to designate records lacking value as personal, but the classified records in Trump's case are not that.
The second video shows Republican troll Jim Jordan citing a case that has absolutely zero applicability to the issues in the Trump case.
1 down, 482 more to go.
In the 1st video they also touched on Gregg Jarrett's book The Trial of the Century in which, liberal attorney Clarence Darrow defended schoolteacher John Scopes in a blockbuster legal proceeding. Darrow's seminal defense of freedom of speech helped form the legal bedrock on which our civil liberties depend today. The MAGA Republicans tuned out that part.
In the 2nd video the talking head claims this is all about character assassination of Donald Trump. ROTFLMAO. Like Trump has character.
Quote from: bats on Jun 10, 2023, 02:12 PMHere's a link to a thoughtful piece on the indictment by a federal criminal defense attorney who is not a blind partisan and is, in fact, skeptical of federal prosecutors, having been one himself when he was younger. He concludes that while the indictment is devastating for Trump on its merits, the system may fail once again to hold him accountable because of the defendant's unique position in society. He reasons, however, that the decision to proceed with prosecution, even if it ultimately fails, is clearly the correct one if we give a damn about the rule of law.
https://bit.ly/3P4oOHe
Your link worked on my phone which has a TikTok app installed. Not with my computer.
https://www.tiktok.com/@atlantalawyer/video/7243634201885543722?_r=1&_t=8d6zKRO8aDL
Blonde analyst Trump Inditment..JPG
Quote from: Bande on Jun 10, 2023, 07:19 PMSo you are saying Hilary did not destroy evidence.
Interestingly this topic is discussed in Trump's indictment.
Read the indictment: trump-indictment.pdf
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/06/trump-indictment.pdf
Quote from: bladegunner on Jun 11, 2023, 06:43 PMsilence from the left. Go figure.
Speaking of silence all the Trump fans who used to be posting all over the internet have gone deadly silent/now changing to "I don't like Trump" people.
Well, they certainly did when they voted for him. They did when he was in power. They did when they were excusing him of being impeached: TWICE! They did after January 6th. But now that it looks like something might stick to the "Teflon Don", well now they don't like him.
You can find these people all across social media, people who caused the problem, supported the problem, but now want us all to forget that, that it's not important, that
"It's in the past! You all need to let it go and talk about NOW, not something that happened then!!!", all while they are STILL complaining about Hilary, Obama and a danged laptop that they are trying to dirty someone else's name with.
Trump fans are abandoning him now, but they are also trying to avoid the stink he brings, the stink they put there and laughingly reveled in when talking to "demoncrats" and "liberal snowflakes" a few years ago
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/republicans-never-trumpers-ye-fuentes-dinner/672477/
People cheer for what they believe in, even if wrong, as long as it supports themselves.
Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMThis rule of law does not apply to everyone.
This is Political. Sad to see the Justice dept prosecuting 1 party only.
The People should be OUTRAGED over the obvious politically motivated charges.
Hillary was not convicted and she actually destroyed evidence.
ChinaBiden has not been prosecuted so far.
Kind of weird this happened on the same day the story broke on ChinaBidens Crime family accepting payments for Favors. Cover up a Demoncrat issue with Trump Bullshit.
Legal scholars have stated this as well.
Purely a Political move. They can not get the Most Popular Republican candidate out, therefore, lets occupy Trump with all these Legal issues.
In actuality these stunts are making Trump more popular as people see the Swamp at work
Rule of law applies to everyone,however enforcement may not...imo doj should have impaneled a grand jury in the hilary clinton email scandal. Mistake to let comey decide.
like when he reopened the investigation 11 days before the election.
Quote from: Hobby on Jun 13, 2023, 05:14 PMRule of law applies to everyone,however enforcement may not...imo doj should have impaneled a grand jury in the hilary clinton email scandal. Mistake to let comey decide.
The charges against Trump relate only to documents that his lawyer returned in response to the subpoena and those recovered by the FBI during their court-authorized search. He is not charged with retaining any of the documents that were voluntarily returned before the subpoena.
In other words, if Trump had returned the documents when requested, he wouldn't be in this mess. That's the main thing that distinguishes the Trump case from Hillary's emails, Biden's garage, and the documents returned by Pence.
The comparison to Hillary's emails is a bright red herring.
Posting another video by a lawyer who used to be a prosecutor, this time talking about the indictment. As always, he runs down all the known facts on the issue, laying out the legal side of every point in a concise and clear way to laypeople.
What I find interesting, and something that conservatives hammered over and over AND OVER again, was the fact that Trump stated he declassified the papers, WHILE showing them to someone he knows should NOT be able to see the papers as they didn't have the clearance! But if you jump to 5:40 it has a transcript of Trump stating plainly HE DID NOT declassify them as President and COULD NOT once he left office.
If you are excusing Trump by saying the documents were not that bad/important, jump to 14:49 to see a list of some of the documents and what they represented.
I think it is unlikely Trump will be convicted of anything.
The case is assigned to Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee who was confirmed to the bench after Trump lost reelection but before President Joe Biden took office. This is the same judge that sided with Trump and appointed a special master. She has the power to do many things to prevent a conviction. She could just throw the case out. If it does go to trial, all it takes is one maga juror siding with trump to hang the jury and prevent conviction. She has many other options in between at her disposal as well.
I would not be surprised if this whole thing is a publicity stunt engineered by trump supporters.
Quote from: bats on Jun 13, 2023, 07:39 PMThe charges against Trump relate only to documents that his lawyer returned in response to the subpoena and those recovered by the FBI during their court-authorized search. He is not charged with retaining any of the documents that were voluntarily returned before the subpoena.
In other words, if Trump had returned the documents when requested, he wouldn't be in this mess. That's the main thing that distinguishes the Trump case from Hillary's emails, Biden's garage, and the documents returned by Pence.
The comparison to Hillary's emails is a bright red herring.
And during a investigation the Clintons destroyed evidence and never prosecuted. This is rule of law being applied fairly you are saying..
Typical thoughts of Demoncrats. Ignore what we did, destroy evidence, fabricate evidence,, purger ones self, and on. That is ok since it was not Trump. They make me laugh..
Again this is Rule Of Law being applied fairly..
The people see this and TRump is becoming STRONGER with The Demoncrats Misdeeds..
https://offers.proudpatriots.com/order-5833010716766604027v1?_ef_transaction_id=5ac3e066bd724983bc2d3c0a9d024263&affid=58&oid=76
Quote from: Bande on Jun 15, 2023, 12:07 PMAnd during a investigation the Clintons destroyed evidence and never prosecuted. This is rule of law being applied fairly you are saying..
Typical thoughts of Demoncrats. Ignore what we did, destroy evidence, fabricate evidence,, purger ones self, and on. That is ok since it was not Trump. They make me laugh..
Again this is Rule Of Law being applied fairly..
The people see this and TRump is becoming STRONGER with The Demoncrats Misdeeds..
Have you considered that the facts in the two cases are entirely different? That one case might involve prosecutable criminal conduct while the other did not? Is that even a possibility in your mind?
I think he will be convicted on some of the charges but not others, the espionage charges are ridiculous.
The real issue is the sentencing if he is convicted:
Will he be given a prison sentence?
House arrest with an ankle bracelet?
You can't put a ex-president in general population because he still gets Secret Service protection, they would have to be stationed outside his cell.
I'm not siding with Trump, he did this to himself. If he had just given the documents over to the Feds this would never have happened.
Quote from: Romanticlover on Jun 15, 2023, 02:48 PMI think he will be convicted on some of the charges but not others, the espionage charges are ridiculous.
He isn't being charged with literal espionage.* He's being charged with violations under the Espionage Act.
Quote from: bats on Jun 15, 2023, 02:55 PMHe isn't being charged with literal espionage.* He's being charged with violations under the Espionage Act.
In which will not Stand. Along with the others.
Quote from: Bande on Jun 15, 2023, 03:01 PMIn which will not Stand. Along with the others.
You make a strong case. /s
Quote from: Bande on Jun 15, 2023, 12:28 PMhttps://offers.proudpatriots.com/order-5833010716766604027v1?_ef_transaction_id=5ac3e066bd724983bc2d3c0a9d024263&affid=58&oid=76
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ROTFLAMAO.
Many should be worried..... Abuse of the system..
Quote from: Bande on Jun 20, 2023, 09:12 PMTrump Ordered to NOT Disclose case.....
"Discovery materials, along with any information derived there from, shall not be disclosed to the public or the news media, or disseminated on any news or social media platform, without prior notice to and consent of the United States or approval of the court," Trump shall not retain copies and may only review case materials under the direct supervision of defense counsel or a member of defense counsel's staff.
Trump is a loudmouth liar that attacks people that are associated with his legal cases. He cannot be trusted.
Quote from: Bande on Jun 20, 2023, 10:04 PMMany should be worried..... Abuse of the system..
**OMG!! IS THIS REALLY TRUE?? Judge Jeanine Says Trump search warrant was STAGED to take him down
Judge Jeanine finally comes on with an insane idiotic rant about the FBI seizure of document with a search warrant and the fool video poster watches like a dummy in awe. Where has this fool been? If he wants to get in the shock jock game he needs to keep up with current events.
https://okmagazine.com/p/donald-trump-demanded-my-documents-back-lawyers-indicted/
Even though Donald Trump wasn't supposed to take classified documents from the White House, he ended up committing a crime by having them kept at his Mar-a-Lago home.
Even after the former president's lawyers told him he was about to be indicted for keeping the materials, Trump, 77, still called them "my documents" and "my boxes," according to an outlet.
The businessman even asked if he could get them back from the feds, the insider revealed.
This wasn't the only time Trump said something like this, as there were "many conversations" over the last few months about the issue at hand. Trump apparently claimed it was "illegal" for him to be separated from the documents, which were taken when the FBI raided his home in August 2022. He insisted the documents belong to "me."
And Trump fans say Biden is the one with dementia...
I thought they planted the documents
Quote from: Danno on Jun 29, 2023, 04:00 PMI thought they planted the documents
That defense is currently inoperative.
Quote from: HighStepper on Jun 29, 2023, 04:19 PMThat defense is currently inoperative.
give him time, it will come back to that excuse
If republicans want fair and equal treatment then why isnt trump sitting in jail awaiting trial? If this was any of us we would be in jail. If trump was in jail he would not be playing games and want a speedy trial...
Based on my legal experience from watching Law and Order, prosecutors request remand if the defendant is a major flight risk. Trump has monetary resources and his own plane. He didn't even have to turn in his passport.
On the other hand, why would we want to impede his ability to leave the country? Perhaps he could go live with the Saudis.
Quote from: HighStepper on Jun 30, 2023, 11:39 AMBased on my legal experience from watching Law and Order, prosecutors request remand if the defendant is a major flight risk. Trump has monetary resources and his own plane. He didn't even have to turn in his passport.
On the other hand, why would we want to impede his ability to leave the country? Perhaps he could go live with the Saudis.
Reason being this is all for mass media to discredit President Trump And President Trump will remain free.
Imagine that, The Grand Jury doing the investigation is out of District. Therefore Highly questionable on the legality of this.
Poof.... Another failure of the DEMONCRATS..
TRUMP 2024
Quote from: Bande on Aug 13, 2023, 09:03 PMReason being this is all for mass media to discredit President Trump And President Trump will remain free.
DISCREDIT means to injure the reputation, to show someone up to be a liar, to be untrustworthy. Trump did all that to himself. Now he wants play the victim card and play the race card.
READ the indictments. Of course learning the truth is very hard.
Quote from: Bande on Aug 13, 2023, 09:06 PMImagine that, The Grand Jury doing the investigation is out of District. Therefore Highly questionable on the legality of this.
Poof.... Another failure of the DEMONCRATS..
Judge Aileen Cannon, Trump appointee and inexperienced, is questioning DOJ use of another grand jury, the one in Washington DC that's investigating alleged mishandling of classified documents, even though Trump has already been indicted on charges by a separate grand jury in Florida.
NO poof. And it is NOT the Democrats. MAGA faithful want to make this a Republican vs. Democrats issue rather than what it is, criminal acts by Donald Trump.
Quote from: Blkfyre on Jun 29, 2023, 02:23 PMhttps://okmagazine.com/p/donald-trump-demanded-my-documents-back-lawyers-indicted/
Even though Donald Trump wasn't supposed to take classified documents from the White House, he ended up committing a crime by having them kept at his Mar-a-Lago home.
Even after the former president's lawyers told him he was about to be indicted for keeping the materials, Trump, 77, still called them "my documents" and "my boxes," according to an outlet.
The businessman even asked if he could get them back from the feds, the insider revealed.
This wasn't the only time Trump said something like this, as there were "many conversations" over the last few months about the issue at hand. Trump apparently claimed it was "illegal" for him to be separated from the documents, which were taken when the FBI raided his home in August 2022. He insisted the documents belong to "me."
And Trump fans say Biden is the one with dementia...
As sitting president Trump could do whatever he wanted with the documents. They became under control of Nation Archives when Biden was sworn in. Trump should have returned what was asked for... now he has to answer for it.
but it's my football and dang it I love my football because Kim Jung Un gave it to me !
Quote from: dogwalker on Aug 13, 2023, 11:24 PMbut it's my football and dang it I love my football because Kim Jung Un gave it to me !
Putin gave Trump a soccer ball in Helsinki along with a transmitter chip attached to the ball. Trump loves those dictators.
Add 10 more charges today. Joe Biden was in politics decades longer then Trump. So if there was really any dirt on Joe Biden wouldn't he have been charged by now? Something to consider. Hunter? Not relevant.....parents can't always control adult kids.
Quote from: dogwalker on Aug 14, 2023, 06:52 PM...Hunter? Not relevant.....parents can't always control adult kids.
Hunter Biden isn't the first relative of a president to be investigated. Remember these others?
- Billy Carter, brother of Jimmy Carter
- Neil Bush, son of George H.W. Bush
- Barack Obama's half-brothers
- Roger Clinton, half-brother of Bill Clinton
- Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser
Link (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/06/21/hunter-biden-the-latest-relative-of-a-president-involved-in-scandal/70252778007/)
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