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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/08/us/trump-indictment-documents

The Justice Department took the legally and politically momentous step of lodging federal criminal charges against former President Donald J. Trump, multiple people familiar with the matter said on Thursday, following a lengthy investigation of his handling of classified documents that he took with him upon leaving office and then obstructing the government's efforts to reclaim them.

The indictment, filed in Federal District Court in Miami, is the first time in American history a former president has faced federal charges. It puts the nation in an extraordinary position, given Mr. Trump's status not only as a onetime chief executive but also as the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination to face President Biden, whose administration will now be seeking to convict his potential rival.

It was not immediately known what specific charges Mr. Trump is facing. One person briefed on the matter said there were seven counts.

Mr. Trump is expected to surrender himself to authorities in Miami on Tuesday, according to a person close to him and his own post on Truth Social.

And, for those poor Trump excusers who will say "FAKE NEWS!!!!"

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/donald-trump-says-hes-been-indicted-on-charges-of-mishandling-classified-documents

MIAMI (AP) — Donald Trump said Tuesday he's been indicted on charges of mishandling classified documents at his Florida estate, igniting a federal prosecution that is arguably the most perilous of multiple legal threats against the former president as he seeks to reclaim the White House.

The Justice Department did not immediately publicly confirm the indictment.

Trump is currently in Bedminster, New Jersey. A person familiar with the situation who was not authorized to discuss it publicly said Trump's lawyers were contacted by prosecutors shortly before he announced on his Truth Social platform that he had been indicted.

Within 20 minutes of his announcement, Trump had begun fundraising off it for his 2024 presidential campaign.

Trump said he is due in court Tuesday afternoon in Miami.

lots of baggage, as the saying goes

And, of course, as usual, Trump fanatics lose their what little minds they have:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxjjgb/trump-supporters-are-threatening-civil-war

In what is becoming a now all-too-familiar trend, former President Donald Trump's far-right supporters have threatened civil war after news broke Thursday that the former president was indicted for allegedly taking classified documents from the White House without permission.

"We need to start killing these traitorous fuckstains," wrote one Trump supporter on The Donald, a rabidly pro-Trump message board that played a key role in planning the January 6 attack on the Capitol. Another user added: "It's not gonna stop until bodies start stacking up. We are not civilly represented anymore and they'll come for us next. Some of us, they already have."

Trump supporters are making specific threats too. In one post on The Donald titled, "A little bit about Merrick Garland, his wife, his daughters," a user shared a link to an article about the attorney general's children.

Under the post, another user replied: "His children are fair game as far as I'm concerned."

In addition to threats of violence against lawmakers and politicians, many were also calling for a civil war.

"Perhaps it's time for that Civil War that the damn DemoKKKrats have been trying to start for years now," a member of The Donald wrote. Another, referencing former President Barack Obama and former secretary of State Hillary Clinton, said: "FACT: OUR FOREFATHERS WOULD HAVE HUNG THESE TWO FOR TREASON..."

I am avidly waiting to hear someone defend this sedition and the killing of children...

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/trump-indictment-in-classified-records-case-is-unsealed.html

Trump charged with 37 counts in classified documents case, indictment says

A 37-count criminal indictment against Donald Trump for retaining classified government records and conspiring to prevent their return to U.S. officials was unsealed Friday.

The charging document was made public a day after the former president was indicted by a grand jury in U.S. District Court in Miami.

Among other allegations, the indictment says that Trump showed classified documents to other people in the summer of 2021, after leaving office.

One of those documents was a "plan of attack" that he said was prepared by the Pentagon, while the other was a classified map related to a military operation, the indictment alleges.

Also charged in the indictment was Trump's valet, Walter Nauta, who faces several of the same charges as his boss, with whom he allegedly conspired to keep classified records and hide them from a federal grand jury.

The indictment says Trump was aware of the highly sensitive nature of the documents, quoting him at one point as saying: "As president, I could have declassified it ... but this is still secret."

We have a set of laws that apply to everyone.

Read the indictment, which has been unsealed.

Trump is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The case will be presented to a jury of his peers in Florida.

Trump only has himself to blame. He brought this on his own through his hubris.
Trump signed the law, when he was President, to increase the penalties for the crime he is being charged with.

Quote from: Blkfyre on Jun 09, 2023, 11:15 AMAnd, of course, as usual, Trump fanatics lose their what little minds they have:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxjjgb/trump-supporters-are-threatening-civil-war

As we have previously discussed MAGA Maniacs Incite Violence

He sure has a lot of legal troubles!

Quote from: HighStepper on Jun 09, 2023, 01:32 PMWe have a set of laws that apply to everyone.

Read the indictment, which has been unsealed.

Trump is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The case will be presented to a jury of his peers in Florida.

Trump only has himself to blame. He brought this on his own through his hubris.
Trump signed the law, when he was President, to increase the penalties for the crime he is being charged with.

This rule of law does not apply to everyone.
This is Political. Sad to see the Justice dept prosecuting 1 party only.
The People should be OUTRAGED over the obvious politically motivated charges.
Hillary was not convicted and she actually destroyed evidence.
ChinaBiden has not been prosecuted so far.

Kind of weird this happened on the same day the story broke on ChinaBidens Crime family accepting payments for Favors. Cover up a Demoncrat issue with Trump Bullshit.
Legal scholars have stated this as well.

Purely a Political move. They can not get the Most Popular Republican candidate out, therefore, lets occupy Trump with all these Legal issues.
In actuality these stunts are making Trump more popular as people see the Swamp at work

Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMThis rule of law does not apply to everyone.
This is Political. Sad to see the Justice dept prosecuting 1 party only.
The People should be OUTRAGED over the obvious politically motivated charges.
Hillary was not convicted and she actually destroyed evidence.
ChinaBiden has not been prosecuted so far.

Kind of weird this happened on the same day the story broke on ChinaBidens Crime family accepting payments for Favors. Cover up a Demoncrat issue with Trump Bullshit.
Legal scholars have stated this as well.

Purely a Political move. They can not get the Most Popular Republican candidate out, therefore, lets occupy Trump with all these Legal issues.
In actuality these stunts are making Trump more popular as people see the Swamp at work

When are you going to figure out that Fox News and Benny Johnson and Dr. Steve Turley are all fucking liars?

Also, legal scholars? Give me a break.

Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMThis rule of law does not apply to everyone.
This is Political. Sad to see the Justice dept prosecuting 1 party only.
The People should be OUTRAGED over the obvious politically motivated charges.
Hillary was not convicted and she actually destroyed evidence.
ChinaBiden has not been prosecuted so far.

So you admit that what Trump did was wrong just like Biden, Pence, Hillary Clinton. Your issue seems to be that Clinton is not getting punished, only Trump. Biden's taking documents is still under investigation. Remember he is a sitting President. Pence did not lie and obstruct justice. Trump is NOT in trouble for the documents he returned after the subpoena. It is what he kept and lied about.

Hillary Clinton mishandling of information was a misdemeanor, while Trump's mishandling of information is a felony. Remember, Trump made it a felony. The Trump Justice Department found that indicting Clinton was not warranted.

Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMPurely a Political move. They can not get the Most Popular Republican candidate out, therefore, lets occupy Trump with all these Legal issues.
In actuality these stunts are making Trump more popular as people see the Swamp at work

That is exactly what Joe Biden is praying for. He wants the Republican nominee to be Trump.

Trump is probably the only Republican Biden can beat.

Real Republicans are tired of losing. When are the MAGA Republicans going to get tired of losing?

Quote from: bats on Jun 09, 2023, 10:01 PM

Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMPurely a Political move. 

So I finally got a chance to read the actual indictment. Holy shit. The facts as the special counsel has laid them out, and assuming they're able to prove them, are utterly devastating to Trump.

Because Trump is a major political figure, they would not have brought these charges unless they had overwhelming evidence. So I think we can safely assume they will be able to prove all the charges beyond a reasonable doubt.

No wonder Trump and his media allies are flooding the zone with the usual claims of political motivation and corruption within the DOJ. In an actual courtroom, they won't have any viable defense.

 lets occupy Trump with all these Legal issues.

That has been Trumps way his entire life. Everything about him is to lie and scam people.


From the 1980s until he was elected president in 2016, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts, including battles with casino patrons, million-dollar real estate lawsuits, personal defamation lawsuits, and over 100 business tax disputes.

Quote from: Bande on Jun 09, 2023, 08:49 PMHillary was not convicted and she actually destroyed evidence.

NO ONE wanted to go after Hillary due to the infamous "Clinton Death Count" theory.  This is one right-wing conspiracy I can get behind. Far toooooooo many people have died with close ties to the Clinton's, many of who were going to testify, or knew too much.

Here's a link to a thoughtful piece on the indictment by a federal criminal defense attorney who is not a blind partisan and is, in fact, skeptical of federal prosecutors, having been one himself when he was younger. He concludes that while the indictment is devastating for Trump on its merits, the system may fail once again to hold him accountable because of the defendant's unique position in society. He reasons, however, that the decision to proceed with prosecution, even if it ultimately fails, is clearly the correct one if we give a damn about the rule of law.

https://bit.ly/3P4oOHe

Quote from: bats on Jun 09, 2023, 10:01 PMWhen are you going to figure out that Fox News and Benny Johnson and Dr. Steve Turley are all fucking liars?

Also, legal scholars? Give me a break.

So you are saying Hilary did not destroy evidence.
And ChinaBiden did not take payments for lobbying?
You really to check your facts...
That clearly states it is a political movement that has soiled OUR Justice system.
You seriously need to open your eyes and get out of your priveledged life in which has you brainwashed..
Stop listening to your parties LIES. Lies that have been proven over n over and yet you still support them. Says alot about you..