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Quote from: Hobby on Aug 21, 2024, 09:36 AMWhere did you come up with this?  It's not true.  It cost way more to keep a killer incarcerated than to put them to death. When retired in 2016 it cost avg 70k to 100k per year to incarcerated.  That's if their are no medical issues.  Depending on the medical issue the cost per year could be double or more. 

Generally I am pro death penalty.  that being said I think we need to stop it because the appeal process has gone off the rails.  Life with ABSOLUTLY NO possibility of parole where there is actually NO POSSIBILITY would be fine and cheaper.  This should probably be limited to Murderers, Child Rapists and politicians who cheat the public.

Quote from: CigarMan on Aug 21, 2024, 12:05 PMGenerally I am pro death penalty.  that being said I think we need to stop it because the appeal process has gone off the rails.  Life with ABSOLUTLY NO possibility of parole where there is actually NO POSSIBILITY would be fine and cheaper.  This should probably be limited to Murderers, Child Rapists and politicians who cheat the public.

But now Democrats in Cali want to give the murderers a chance at parole after 25 years.
https://www.kcra.com/article/california-bill-early-release-felons-serving-life-resurrected/61858649

I swear these dope smoking Democrats care more about criminals and illegals than law-abiding citizens.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Aug 21, 2024, 07:29 PMBut now Democrats in Cali want to give the murderers a chance at parole after 25 years.
https://www.kcra.com/article/california-bill-early-release-felons-serving-life-resurrected/61858649

I swear these dope smoking Democrats care more about criminals and illegals than law-abiding citizens.

After being shelved for nearly a year, a California lawmaker in the Assembly dusted off a controversial, proposed law that will allow some convicted felons serving life without parole to petition for early release. "SB 94 creates a tough four-tiered process, and judges will have complete discretion to either leave the sentence unchanged or to refer a case to the parole board and Governor for further review." "Most petitions for hearing are expected to be denied.

Prisoners can petition sentence reduction if they've been behind bars for at least 25 years or since 1990, including those convicted of murder. Serial killers and those who have killed police officers would NOT be eligible.

It's not clear when exactly the Assembly will vote on the bill.

Inmate appeal process continues for all inmates and is a added cost above the cost of their incarnation. Keeping inmates alive on life sentences is very expensive when all the cost involved are added together.

Quote from: Hobby on Aug 22, 2024, 11:37 AMInmate appeal process continues for all inmates and is a added cost above the cost of their incarnation. Keeping inmates alive on life sentences is very expensive when all the cost involved are added together.

We could really lower costs by making every felony punishable by death with no appeals. Straight from the courtroom to the crematorium.

No.

If you have done enough crimes to total more than 20 years, you die.

Five years! That should be the max. Then, efforts to reform mean something. Reform or die. Once you hit 20 yrs, you skip to the needle

Quote from: bats on Aug 22, 2024, 02:04 PMWe could really lower costs by making every felony punishable by death with no appeals. Straight from the courtroom to the crematorium.

Some countries do exactly that.  A person sentenced to death on death row will probably die before the appeal process is exhausted.

Like I said before I don't really care on way or the other.

Quote from: Hobby on Aug 22, 2024, 11:52 PMSome countries do exactly that.  A person sentenced to death on death row will probably die before the appeal process is exhausted.

Like I said before I don't really care on way or the other.

Bro, you're the one who started this topic! lol

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The Central Park 5 now the Exonerated 5 were innocent teenagers that served years in prison, after being wrongly accused and convicted of the rape and assault of 28-year-old investment banker, Trisha Meili, while she was jogging in New York's Central Park in 1989.

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The Central Park 5 now the Exonerated 5 were innocent teenagers that served years in prison, after being wrongly accused and convicted of the rape and assault of 28-year-old investment banker, Trisha Meili, while she was jogging in New York's Central Park in 1989.

Common speak of children..."NOT FAIR!" My dad said, "Life is not fair". Too true.

Death Penalty, absolutely.  It's not about the cost to keep them in prison vs the cost of appeals.  HS/Carlin is right, it's about the revenge/need for family closure.  Fuck the perp.  Throw their ass in an oubliette and then use the Japanese version of the death sentence...they don't find out their execution date until the day of...they don't know when their last day is...works for me.

I think when someone is murdered the case should go into federal court not state court because the victims constitutional rights were illegally taken. By having a federal trial the appeals would bypass the state appeals. If we are going to have a death penalty it should be the same for all states. Not fair when a person murders someone in a state that doesn't have the death penalty vs a state that does.

Quote from: Hobby on Aug 25, 2024, 10:18 AMI think when someone is murdered the case should go into federal court not state court because the victims constitutional rights were illegally taken. By having a federal trial the appeals would bypass the state appeals. If we are going to have a death penalty it should be the same for all states. Not fair when a person murders someone in a state that doesn't have the death penalty vs a state that does.

That's actually a great idea.

It would be easier to convict a murderer and it would free up state and local courts for lesser crimes. You can also try someone on civil rights violations even though they were acquitted in state courts, double jeopardy doesn't apply. The Feds also have unlimited resources to prosecute unlike some rural counties.