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The bottom line is that the alleged underfunding had little to do with either preventing or fighting these fires because there is nothing in the human toolbox that could have stopped them.

Won't ever know because no prevention was taken.  So don't spend money on prevention and let cities burn...

Trump will be in California next week after the inauguration to help those who lost property from the fire and start a investigation as to why California wasn't prepared when everyone knew this could happen.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 13, 2025, 05:17 PMWon't ever know because no prevention was taken.  So don't spend money on prevention and let cities burn...

How do you know there wasn't any prevention? What should they have done that wasn't done?

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 13, 2025, 03:39 PMGovernor Newscum political career is over. Democrats are on the defense saying the fire could not have been prevented. Unless there had been prevention taken which there wasn't no one can know. Five years ago Trump pushed  congress to assist California with federal money to build reservois, Newscum rejected it. California Democrats have given billions of tax payer money to drug addicted homeless and illegals and did nothing to help protect property and lives.  So I don't want to hear the bullshit liberals have to say how this fire could not been prevented when no prevention was taken.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czj3yk90kpyo

"Earlier in the week, he criticised Governor Newsom for refusing to sign the "water restoration declaration put before him that would have allowed millions of gallons of water" to put out the fires.

But the specific declaration he mentions doesn't appear to exist. We've also searched for this document and been unable to find it."

"Newsom has previously opposed efforts to redirect more water to southern California.

This includes a 2020 presidential memorandum in which Trump sought to divert water away from Northern California to farmland further south.

Newsom opposed this at the time, saying he wanted to protect "highly imperilled fish species close to extinction".

That is what Trump is referencing in his post blaming Newsom for the response to the wildfires, where he says the governor "wanted to protect an essentially worthless fish", Trump spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt has confirmed.

In an interview with Pod Save America on Saturday, Newsom said Trump's statements were "made up" and "delusional".

California's attorney general (NOT Newsom) ultimately blocked the measure to redirect water to the south, citing potential harm to endangered species and saying that it was not scientifically justified.

Jeffrey Mount, senior fellow at the Public Policy Institute of California's Water Policy Center, said: "The federal government does not deliver water from northern California to southern California.

"While efforts to save Delta smelt, along with salmon and steelhead trout, do reduce the amount of water that is moved from northern California by the state at certain times, it has no bearing on the current availability of water for fire-fighting."

Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 13, 2025, 04:17 PMFire chief complaned last month about the budget cuts:
https://san.com/cc/la-fire-chief-says-city-failed-department-during-ongoing-wildfires/

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czj3yk90kpyo

"Did LA Mayor cut fire department budget?
LA Mayor Karen Bass has faced criticism over cuts to the city's fire department budget.

For the latest financial year, the LA Fire Department (LAFD) budget was reduced by $17.6m (£14.3m).

LA Fire Chief Kristin Crowley told CNN that the budget cut had "severely" affected the department's ability to respond to the disaster.

She said the department was already under-staffed and the elimination of civilian positions, like mechanics, had meant that 100 fire apparatuses were out of service.

Mayor Bass responded to the criticism, saying: "There were no reductions that were made that would have impacted the situation that we were dealing with over the last couple of days."

According to the LA Times, after the 2024-25 budget was passed, the city council approved $53m in pay raises for firefighters and $58m for new kit, such as firetrucks.

Once that funding is taken into account, the fire department's operating budget technically grew this year, according to the newspaper.

The LAFD has an overall budget of approaching $1bn, and it isn't the only department responding to the fires.

For example, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection and the Los Angeles County Fire Department are part of the relief efforts, along with the federal government."

Mayor Bass is a loon.  Her career is toast.  Saying nothing could be done over the last couple of days.  Well what about 2 years ago or last year?  Democrats spent billions on the high speed rail that will probably never be finished instead of insuring the fire dept has what they needed.  After this disaster Democrats and their funky liberal ideas will go up in smoke..
California's are sick and tired of Democrat bullshit.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 13, 2025, 06:42 PMMayor Bass is a loon.  Her career is toast.  Saying nothing could be done over the last couple of days.  Well what about 2 years ago or last year? Democrats spent billions on the high speed rail that will probably never be finished instead of insuring the fire dept has what they needed. After this disaster Democrats and their funky liberal ideas will go up in smoke..
California's are sick and tired of Democrat bullshit.

Two years ago southern California was having one of their wettest winters on record. You figure people would have supported radical, impractical, unproven multi-billion-dollar fire prevention efforts back then?

Trump and right-wing media are deliberately spreading tons of bad information about this disaster, and a lot of people jump on that misinformation bandwagon.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 13, 2025, 03:39 PMFive years ago Trump pushed  congress to assist California with federal money to build reservois, Newscum rejected it.

We need to be cautious when taking Trump's assertions as factual.

Newsom has never refused to sign a "water restoration declaration." In fact, there is no such document.

• "There was no 'water restoration declaration' for him [Newsom] to sign," Jeffrey Mount, a senior fellow in the Water Policy Center at the Public Policy Institute of California think tank, said in a Wednesday interview.
• "There was never a 'water restoration declaration' in California that the Governor refused to sign," Brent Haddad, an environmental studies professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz, said in a Wednesday email.

Link

As right-wingers continue to generate hate by blaming Democrats, lesbians, and other fake causes of this natural disaster, Jon Stewart puts things in perspective:

Quote from: HighStepper on Jan 13, 2025, 10:30 PMWe need to be cautious when taking Trump's assertions as factual.

Newsom has never refused to sign a "water restoration declaration." In fact, there is no such document.

• "There was no 'water restoration declaration' for him [Newsom] to sign," Jeffrey Mount, a senior fellow in the Water Policy Center at the Public Policy Institute of California think tank, said in a Wednesday interview.
• "There was never a 'water restoration declaration' in California that the Governor refused to sign," Brent Haddad, an environmental studies professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz, said in a Wednesday email.

Link

When Trump takes office he will open a investigation into Newscum and other pinhead Democrats.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 13, 2025, 06:42 PMCalifornia's are sick and tired of Democrat bullshit.

I know I am but most residents still vote for these incompetant idiots.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Jan 14, 2025, 05:55 AMI know I am but most residents still vote for these incompetant idiots.

They may not after this neglect and incompetence.  This will go down as the worst and most costly disaster in American history. Democrats are on defense blaming everything they can and won't admit to making bad choices that led up to this.

I doubt it, they would rather vote for someone with a (D) behind their name than the person who is competent and has common sense. Voters in LA did vote DA Gascon out so there is hope.

I saw on the news that the Democrats are blaming climate change instead of their incompetency.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 14, 2025, 07:51 AMThey may not after this neglect and incompetence.  This will go down as the worst and most costly disaster in American history. Democrats are on defense blaming everything they can and won't admit to making bad choices that led up to this.

The only ones "blaming" people are republicans. Democrats are stating facts.

""The only ones "blaming" people are republicans. Democrats are stating facts.""

You don't know what you are talking about.  I'm Independent and many of are blaming those in leadership roles in California who did nothing to try to prevent the fire.  Yes once the stage was set with fuel and high winds only God could stop it.  No one is saying this is not so.  California diverted money from cleaning out brush and other that could have made a difference.  With the fuel load winds of 30mph may have caused the same destruction.  At what point doing no prevention is acceptable?