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Quote from: thaikhan on Feb 14, 2025, 12:51 PMWe'll have your backs as long as it's in our best interest, after that, pull down your pants

Where the hell you been? The time to have defended Ukraine was when Russia was building up on the border.  But Biden didn't care or do anything to stop the invasion. Now Russia is firmly planted in the Ukraine and won't back down on certain issues. Ukraine not to join NATO and areas in Ukraine occupied and controlled by Russia remain a territory of Russia.  Trump will offer money and support along with Russia to help Ukraine recover and Putin will have a seat at the G7 table.  Trump will reopen trade with Russia and drop  sanctions.  This will help our economy.

Quote from: Hobby on Feb 14, 2025, 01:30 PMWhere the hell you been? The time to have defended Ukraine was when Russia was building up on the border.  But Biden didn't care or do anything to stop the invasion. Now Russia is firmly planted in the Ukraine and won't back down on certain issues. Ukraine not to join NATO and areas in Ukraine occupied and controlled by Russia remain a territory of Russia.  Trump will offer money and support along with Russia to help Ukraine recover and Putin will have a seat at the G7 table.  Trump will reopen trade with Russia and drop  sanctions.  This will help our economy.

you sound just like Trump, it's Biden's fault. pretty sure it was Putin that invaded another country. doubt congress would of let him send troops, they didn't want to send money

In addition to what Danno said, Biden was overly cautious about doing what was needed to militarily support Ukraine because Biden was afraid of Putin having nuclear weapons.

Quote from: HighStepper on Feb 14, 2025, 06:23 PMIn addition to what Danno said, Biden was overly cautious about doing what was needed to militarily support Ukraine because Biden was afraid of Putin having nuclear weapons.

When Putin was building up to the invasion Biden could have sent in aircraft tanks and our military to conduct military exercises in Ukraine while Russian military was on the Ukraine border.  Congress would not oppose training exercises.

Biden was afraid of his own shadow.  Yes the Ukraine Russian invasion of Ukraine was on Biden.  The annexation of the Crimea was Obama's fault.  Obama and Biden tried to deal with Putin with diplomacy.  Putin counted on Biden being weak and standing up against him.  Now Trump is entirely different and will use nukes if needed and Putin knows this.  Trump will end the Ukraine Russian war and probably wind up with a Nobel Peace prize... Biden was by far worse of leader than Jimmy Carter who allowed Iran to be overturned in 1979 and it took Reagan to get the hostages freed.

LMAO. Trump is never using nukes. For one thing he is the anti-war President.  For another think about the consequences of that.  Nothing good for anyone.

However I do agree whether via Ukraine or the Middle East Trump may be thinking Nobel Peace Prize.  Obama got one for doing nothing that lasted.

What I meant was Putin has threatened the use of nukes and knows his threats won't scare Trump... Trump believes in eye for an eye +1 so if Putin uses nukes so will Trump. Trump believes in peace through strength.  What is the point in having the most powerful military in the world if not willing to use it? We have already proven to the world the US will use nukes because we bombed Japan with two. So far we are the only country to have used atomic weapons.

Off topic penny comments split for this thread on Ukraine Russia war
https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=26370

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, during a closed-door meeting on Wednesday, rejected an offer by the Trump administration to relinquish half of the country's mineral resources in exchange for U.S. support, according to five people briefed on the proposal or with direct knowledge of the talks.

The unusual deal would have granted the United States a 50 percent interest in all of Ukraine's mineral resources, including graphite, lithium and uranium, according to two European officials. But it was unclear whether this was meant as compensation only for past American support to Kyiv's war effort against Russian invaders, or if it would also come in exchange for future military and financial assistance. Link

One would think Russia being a super power they would have taken the Ukraine out in less than a month.  Now Russia has lost a lot of men and equipment and if the US now sends in our military they probably would be no match.  This war has cost Russia Ukraine Europe and the US billions of dollars so my guess is Putin is going to be reasonable and agree to the terms ending the war provided he saves face. 

Putin isn't giving in after all that has lost

Quote from: Hobby on Feb 16, 2025, 02:22 PMOne would think Russia being a super power they would have taken the Ukraine out in less than a month.  Now Russia has lost a lot of men and equipment and if the US now sends in our military they probably would be no match.  This war has cost Russia Ukraine Europe and the US billions of dollars so my guess is Putin is going to be reasonable and agree to the terms ending the war provided he saves face. 

Trump is more of a useful idiot to Putin now than he's ever been. Given Trump's vanity, his utter disregard for our alliances and past diplomacy, and his general incompetence, I think we can expect Putin to fleece Trump in any negotiations. 

I don't think Trump will do Putin bidding.  Trump respects Russia as a country and the elected leader Putin.  I would do the same. Russians love their country.  We should open trade with Russia and share our medical technology to save lives.  Now if a country doesn't respect their citizens keeping them captive then no I would have nothing to do with that country or leader.  In Trumps first term Trump worked with Putin to destroy ISIS in Syria.  Putin is a very powerful leader so Trump needs to get along with him.

Putin is the weakest he has ever been in his own country

Quote from: Danno on Feb 16, 2025, 09:16 PMPutin is the weakest he has ever been in his own country

Why do you think this?

Quote from: Hobby on Feb 16, 2025, 08:04 PMI don't think Trump will do Putin bidding.  Trump respects Russia as a country and the elected leader Putin.  I would do the same. Russians love their country.  We should open trade with Russia and share our medical technology to save lives.  Now if a country doesn't respect their citizens keeping them captive then no I would have nothing to do with that country or leader.  In Trumps first term Trump worked with Putin to destroy ISIS in Syria.  Putin is a very powerful leader so Trump needs to get along with him.

Ukraine isn't joining NATO. Trump is already doing Putin's bidding...