The Good and innocent people Trump will be pardoning...

[thaikhan]

What the actual fuck?!  You guys are talking about facts on a rant post that's pure speculation and conjecture.  And even faced with facts, everyone is just going to say it's fake news.

[bats]

Finger pointing, four back at yourself.
I'm 100% good with my positions. I don't believe anyone doesn't make mistakes.
I don't claim President elect Trump is perfect.  But I do agree with more of his positions than I do of your dude(s).
That's most of the reason I don't just fall over and let you lead the way. You be you, but don't expect me to not be me.
History hasn't been written yet about many of the contentious issues. Well, they've been written by your side but the final chapters are yet to come.  I love that you care so much that you have to battle everything.  Good on you.
Credibility of sources is everything.  Which is why I won't respond to questions that require a paper to support. Your questions are often broad and are put in such a way that it needs a long wind3d response. Nope.
I gave always saidm this forum is the dumbest thing ever in this site. It was dumb on GLH too, it should be opt in, rather that's opt out. Why would girls engage in a forum that this is the predominant postings? If you sort by unread, it's in your face. If you're into it enough to know how to opt out of this forum, great! But which casual girl would care enough to do that? They won't.

I'm guessing the finger-pointing comment means I haven't provided any facts, either. That's true, but I haven't made specific claims in this conversation that would require that support.

What do you mean history isn't written yet? Your claims concern events that are long past. We won't learn anything new about the impeachments, the supposedly weaponized DOJ, etc.

In the end, you bowed out of any reasonable discussion based on facts and excused your inability to support your positions by dismissing the usefulness of the only forum here where anyone would question those positions. Great work.

[Blkfyre]

What the actual fuck?!  You guys are talking about facts on a rant post that's pure speculation and conjecture.  And even faced with facts, everyone is just going to say it's fake news.

Reading is fundamental.

Not a rant post since it's a fact right from the horse's mouth. Reposting since you missed it before:

Wild assumptions huh? https://www.thewrap.com/trump-jan-6-pardons-gulf-of-mexico-renaming-press-conference/

"Donald Trump once again Tuesday promised "major pardons" for those involved in attacking the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, including for people charged with violent offenses.

During a press conference at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, Trump was asked specifically about whether he plans to follow through on the promise he's been making throughout his entire second term's campaign, to which he promptly responded that he and his team are "looking into it."

The president-elect first said that "24 or 28" people connected to the FBI have since been exposed for having a hand in planning the riots, parroting a conspiracy theory that his own pick to lead the FBI, Kash Patel, floated back in 2022. He then claimed that Hezbollah was involved, but offered no evidence.

"So we'll be looking at the whole thing, but I'll be making major pardons," he said."

[thaikhan]

Yes, and he's also said that he would Make America Great Again, repeal the ACA along other countless things that never happened. In one breath Democrats would call him an idiot who couldn't run a successful business and in the next call him a super genius comparable to Moriarty. Apparently Republicans aren't the only ones eating what Trump's pulling out of his ass.

[bats]

Yes, and he's also said that he would Make America Great Again, repeal the ACA along other countless things that never happened. In one breath Democrats would call him an idiot who couldn't run a successful business and in the next call him a super genius comparable to Moriarty. Apparently Republicans aren't the only ones eating what Trump's pulling out of his ass.

Trump was president for four years, and he's about to be president again. That alone means that every statement he makes, no matter how idiotic, is worthy of concern.

I can't guess which of his stupid promises/threats he will or won't keep. If you can do that, maybe you should inform the rest of us so we won't waste our breath talking about the stuff that doesn't count.

[Blkfyre]

Yes, and he's also said that he would Make America Great Again, repeal the ACA along other countless things that never happened. In one breath Democrats would call him an idiot who couldn't run a successful business and in the next call him a super genius comparable to Moriarty. Apparently Republicans aren't the only ones eating what Trump's pulling out of his ass.

You get that he did TRY to repeal the ACA (sane people stopped him), tried to make America great again by keeping out foreigners (sane people stopped him), said he would stop the steal (sane people stopped him), said he would build the wall (sane people stopped him).

Gee, sense a pattern here? The difference is, he's getting rid of all the sane people who could stop him this time...

[HighStepper]

Fauci did support gain of function testing in Wuhan. Are you disputing that?

Yes I am disputing that.
Experts are siding with Dr. Anthony Fauci in the dispute with Sen. Rand Paul over whether experiments done on bat coronaviruses conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology constituted gain of function research.

• Robert Garry, a virologist and professor at Tulane University, described the experiments as being a study as to whether the bat coronaviruses could infect humans. What they didn't do was make the viruses "any better" at infecting people, which would be necessary for gain-of-function research.
• Dr. Vincent Racaniello, a virologist at Columbia University, said the "key" to the research not being gain-of-function is the viruses the researchers started with could already infect human cells. "If you started with a bat virus that could not infect human cells and then gave it the ability to do so, that would be a gain-of-function. But that is not what they did there," Racaniello said. "They didn't give it a new property."
• Stuart Neil, a professor of virology at King's College in London, admitted it was a "grey area" in a Twitter thread explaining the debate. However, he reasoned that the grant was determined not to involve gain-of-function research because scientists were replacing a function in a virus that already had the ability to infect humans rather than giving that ability to a virus that could not infect humans. Regardless of how it's viewed in retrospect, Neil argued that at the time the grant was awarded, the NIH didn't think it constituted gain-of-function research and therefore Fauci was not lying. Link
  
  The U.S. Intelligence Community said in an April 30, 2020, statement that it "concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified," and that it "will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan." Link
  
  From the U.S. Department of State Joint Statement on the WHO-Convened COVID-19 Origins Study March 30,202. The Governments of Australia, Canada, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Israel, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, the Republic of Korea, Slovenia, the United Kingdom, and the United States of America remain steadfast in our commitment to working with the World Health Organization (WHO), international experts who have a vital mission, and the global community to understand the origins of this pandemic. Link
  
  So, people can go along with a grandstanding politician who admitted to whipping up the frenzy toward Fauci to raise money OR we can go along with meaningful research to learn how to avoid best handle a pandemic in the future.
  Edit to strike out "avoid" based on comments by Hobby.
  
  
  

[Hobby]

Pandemic can not be avoided.  They will happen. What determines severity is how long after exposure do symptoms appear and the time a person becomes infectious to others. Also how long a virus can the virus live outside a host. A virus that takes 10 days and highly infection can be spread around the world and spread to others before the person knows how sick they are.  Heard immunity and vaccinations only slow the spread doesn't stop it.  When covid hit hospitals were swamped to the point emergency rooms could not attend to people having heart attacks and other emergencies ER normally sees. When a outbreak occurs best to stay home away from other people to limit possible exposure.  Stay off public transportation, busses trains subways and planes.  Stay out of public places.

I don't think I have had covid. At least not that I know of.  I have all the covid vaccinations, I am retired and I stay home.  I still don't have anyone over to my house and I don't go visiting.  With my heart illness covid would probably be fatal if I didn't stay alert.

[Danno]

know 12 people that died from Covid, none got vaccinated.

[Blkfyre]

Most of my friends at one time or another have had COVID. ALL of the ones who were vaccinated had at worst a bad flu. Almost all the ones who weren't were hospitalized.

An ex's brother, a big bear of a man healthy and in his prime caught it. My ex did too, from the same source. She was vaccinated. He was not. She was sick in bed for 4-5 days. He died within a week.

Multiple other friends and people at work have similar stories.

[Blkfyre]

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Funny thing is, most Republicans are still getting on Biden about the pardons he gave out. At least he didn't pardon proven traitors...

[HighStepper]

Trump issues sweeping pardons for roughly 1,500 January 6 participants including those that made violent attacks on police officers. So much for "back the blue."

The Trump supporters and American voters don't care about all that. They just want their grocery prices to come down.

[Romanticlover]

I don't agree with the pardons of the convicted Jan 6th that attacked the police but most of them were only trespassing.

Biden pardoned his entire family for any future crimes they may commit, that was unprecedented and he said back in 2021 he wouldn't do that. Adam Schiff and Chuck Schumer said it was an abuse of Presidential powers.

[Blkfyre]

I don't agree with the pardons of the convicted Jan 6th that attacked the police but most of them were only trespassing.

Biden pardoned his entire family for any future crimes they may commit, that was unprecedented and he said back in 2021 he wouldn't do that. Adam Schiff and Chuck Schumer said it was an abuse of Presidential powers.

These people, who *broke* into the Senate chamber obviously with the intention of taking members of Congress hostage were given a blanket pardon. Yup, obviously just trespassing and obviously not as bad as people who haven't been convicted or even charged with a crime..
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This is what our congress was doing while these now completely pardoned people were pounding on the chamber doors trying to break in:
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[bats]

Trump issues sweeping pardons for roughly 1,500 January 6 participants including those that made violent attacks on police officers. So much for "back the blue."

The Trump supporters and American voters don't care about all that. They just want their grocery prices to come down.

I think the hard core Trumpists like these pardons. They're with Trump no matter what he does. They like his contempt for government and his lawlessness. That's why Trump said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose his support.

What they don't see is that Trump also has contempt for them. The concrete proof is in the many scams he runs against them. Trump bibles, Trump sneakers, Trump guitars, and now a fucking Trump meme coin.