Quote from: zoezane on Oct 20, 2023, 12:39 PMhttps://news.yahoo.com/judge-donald-trump-stfu-jail-164810800.html (https://news.yahoo.com/judge-donald-trump-stfu-jail-164810800.html)
Judge Arthur Engoron, Mr. Trump's gag order, STFU or go to jail, fine his toxic mouth. For sure he will do it again. He can't control himself with his hating rage to destroy America.
Engoron, my hero!
It's finally here
"In the current overheated climate, incendiary comments can and in some cases already [have], led to serious physical harm and worse"
Judge Arthur EngoronTrump's First Amendment protections "yield to the administration of justice" and that his presidential candidacy does not give him "carte blanche" to vilify public servants "who are simply doing their job."
Judge Tanya Chutkan.Trump has been getting special treatment. Any other criminal would be in jail for contempt of court. Trump is such big bully coward. Tells bodacious lies anyone associated with the prosecution in his legal cases.
The gag order was put into place on October 3 after the former president was ordered to remove a Truth Social post, in which he attacks a legal clerk. A legal clerk performs administrative tasks and have no authority over his case. He refused to take down the offending post.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/20/trump-fine-gag-order-00122832
A state judge fined Donald Trump $5,000 Friday after finding that the former president's campaign website continued to display a social media post attacking the judge's law clerk in violation of a gag order imposed by the judge earlier this month.
Justice Arthur Engoron also indicated that he would consider jailing Trump for future violations of the gag order.
In stern terms, he warned Trump against further violating the order. "Make no mistake: future violations, whether intentional or unintentional, will subject the violator to far more severe sanctions, which may include, but are not limited to, steeper financial penalties, holding Donald Trump in contempt of course, and possibly imprisoning him," Engoron wrote.
The judge's Oct. 3 gag order barred Trump from making comments about court staff after the former president's Truth Social post, which included a picture of Engoron's clerk, Allison Greenfield. The post claimed that Greenfield was "running this case" and was "Schumer's girlfriend." The post was also sent to Trump's campaign email list.
Prior to issuing the gag order, the judge had ordered Trump "off the record" to remove the social media post, which he did. On Thursday night, however, the judge wrote, he learned that the post had remained on the website DonaldJTrump.com. It was removed Thursday night, the judge wrote, "but only in response to an email from this Court."
It is called freedom OF SPEACH. No ONE IS ABOVE THE Constitution. When appealed I think Trump will prevail..
$5,000 is nothing to Trump. He'll keep ignoring "petty" fines until he's threatened with jail time.
Quote from: Bande on Oct 23, 2023, 08:26 PMIt is called freedom OF SPEACH. No ONE IS ABOVE THE Constitution. When appealed I think Trump will prevail..
You don't have the freedom to speak when under a legal gag order.
Or do you believe as Trump does that he is above the law?
Quote from: Blkfyre on Oct 23, 2023, 10:16 PMYou don't have the freedom to speak when under a legal gag order.
Whether the gag order is legal is the question that Trump has put before the D.C. Court of Appeals. And the gag order has been stayed pending their ruling.
Quote from: bats on Oct 23, 2023, 10:29 PMWhether the gag order is legal is the question that Trump has put before the D.C. Court of Appeals. And the gag order has been stayed pending their ruling.
Right. But that has to be determined by the courts, not Trump. Which would have meant t making sure to follow the directives of the gag order until it was stayed or adjudicated
Quote from: Blkfyre on Oct 23, 2023, 11:10 PMRight. But that has to be determined by the courts, not Trump. Which would have meant t making sure to follow the directives of the gag order until it was stayed or adjudicated
But how's the asshole supposed to know what he can and can't say if he doesn't take some of his disgusting vitriol out for a test drive? lol
Donald Trump fined 2nd time. Now $10,000 fine for violating civil fraud case gag order. Justice Arthur Engoron last week fined Trump $5,000 after finding that he had not taken down a post disparaging the judge's law clerk. Engoron had earlier barred Trump, the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican nomination, from making comments attacking court staff.Link (https://www.reuters.com/legal/donald-trump-michael-cohen-face-off-again-new-york-fraud-trial-2023-10-25/#:~:text=NEW%20YORK%2C%20Oct%2025%20(Reuters,case%20for%20a%20second%20time)
Judge ordered Trump to take the stand for about a minute. Trump tried to claim that he was talking about Michael Cohen when he was actually talking about the law clerk AGAIN. Judge did not buy Trump's bullshit and fined him.
Trump stormed out of the courtroom in a huff like a little child having a temper tantrum. His Secret Service agents had to chase after him. Trump's actions even surprised his lawyers.
He loves doing this so he can keep crying "I'm a victim" and raise more money.
Plus Tramp does it so he can more thumbs up on his approval ratings.
Eventually he will get 1 thumb up his ass by 1 of the courts, If he does not watch out.
Quote from: Bande on Oct 23, 2023, 08:26 PMIt is called freedom OF SPEACH. No ONE IS ABOVE THE Constitution. When appealed I think Trump will prevail..
A Judge can issue a gag order to restrict speech and is lawful. Jurors are under orders not discuss the case with anyone during the trial. You think the constitution will protect them if they violate the courts order? Not a chance.
there was a time back in our prime.
To date no manufacturer makes a gag ball large enough to close off Trump's Big Mouth!
Gag order or not The Constitution prevails.
There is a reason they are fining TRUMP, They have all these legal issues trying to hit TRUMP financially and time consumption to disrupt the election. They will find they fail as they have been for many years.
Why would one think they are not Jailing TRUMP. They know they can not.
This will all disappear on appeal.. Of course, after they continue to SMEAR TRUMP. They are stupid cuz they are making TRUMP more popular..
Lets see where CHINABIDEN is in a couple months.... Out of a position or in shackles???? Treason And Accepting bribes are serious and put our NATION at security risk...
Quote from: Bande on Oct 26, 2023, 06:14 PMGag order or not The Constitution prevails.
There is a reason they are fining TRUMP, They have all these legal issues trying to hit TRUMP financially and time consumption to disrupt the election. They will find they fail as they have been for many years.
Why would one think they are not Jailing TRUMP. They know they can not.
This will all disappear on appeal.. Of course, after they continue to SMEAR TRUMP. They are stupid cuz they are making TRUMP more popular..
Lets see where CHINABIDEN is in a couple months.... Out of a position or in shackles???? Treason And Accepting bribes are serious and put our NATION at security risk...
You're ignoring the fact that gag orders can be constitutional. Not all of them, but surely you remember Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes' famous statement in
Patterson v. Colorado, 205 U. S. 454, 205 U. S. 462 (1907):
The theory of our system is that the conclusions to be reached in a case will be induced only by evidence and argument in open court, and not by any outside influence, whether of private talk or public print.Okay, you may not remember it, but any judge issuing a gag order is aware of that and much more. Judges don't go issuing gag orders without considering all the First Amendment issues, including the need for a fair trial.
It doesn't mean every gag order will be found to pass constitutional muster. Still, I'm betting that the narrowly crafted orders restricting Trump from issuing the kinds of outrageous and evidence-free statements he so often does will be upheld quite easily.
Quote from: dogwalker on Oct 23, 2023, 10:08 PM$5,000 is nothing to Trump. He'll keep ignoring "petty" fines until he's threatened with jail time.
It's the humilation of someone having control over him Trump can't stand it. How dare someone order King Trump!
It's why he threw a cry baby fit and left the courtroom over the most recent one.
Tried to (hypothetically) tell a lie he was talking about Cohen not the court clerk and the judge didn't buy it.
They have Ivanka back in a corner now. Tell the truth about daddy or go to jail
swamp defend like alligators.
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday reposted on Truth Social post calling for a "citizen's arrest" of New York Attorney General Letitia James and Judge Arthur Engoron, who is overseeing his fraud trial. Trump shared a post by a user describing his "fantasy": "I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LITITIA JAMES AND JUDGE ENGORON PLACED UNDER CITIZENS ARREST FOR BLATANT ELECTION INTERFERENCE AND HARASSMENT."
This is criminal what trump just said.
TRUMP IS A DICTATOR RIGHT NOW
Hitler killed his own Nazi solders if they went against him. Trump will do the same thing. He's deceiving all his brainwashed followers and only cares about himself. He will take out his own people. How's that going for yeah?
Concentration camps are Trump's new wall.
At least he's not saying Mexico will pay for it.
A New York appeals court on Thursday temporarily blocked a gag order in former President Donald Trump's civil fraud trial that barred him from complaining about the judge's law clerk.
The Appellate Division judge ordered the stay after Trump's attorneys appealed the gag order that Judge Arthur Engoron had put in place as being "unconstitutional."
In a brief handwritten ruling Thursday, Appellate Division Justice David Friedman said he was granting an interim stay on the gag order given the "constitutional and statutory rights at issue."
The pause will remain in place until at least Nov. 27, when a full panel of appeals court judges will consider the matter.
Quote from: Bande on Nov 17, 2023, 05:36 PMA New York appeals court on Thursday temporarily blocked a gag order in former President Donald Trump's civil fraud trial that barred him from complaining about the judge's law clerk.
The Appellate Division judge ordered the stay after Trump's attorneys appealed the gag order that Judge Arthur Engoron had put in place as being "unconstitutional."
In a brief handwritten ruling Thursday, Appellate Division Justice David Friedman said he was granting an interim stay on the gag order given the "constitutional and statutory rights at issue."
The pause will remain in place until at least Nov. 27, when a full panel of appeals court judges will consider the matter.
Might as well give the link to the article you copied this from:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/appeals-court-temporarily-lifts-trump-gag-order-civil-fraud-case-rcna125588
Quote from: bats on Nov 17, 2023, 10:22 PMMight as well give the link to the article you copied this from:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/appeals-court-temporarily-lifts-trump-gag-order-civil-fraud-case-rcna125588
Imagine that, The Constitution prevails...
This must upset many...
Quote from: Bande on Nov 19, 2023, 04:24 PMImagine that, The Constitution prevails...
This must upset many...
Simmer down. It's an interim stay, not a final ruling.
compared to all the stuff he has done, this is small potatoes
Quote from: Danno on Nov 20, 2023, 09:19 AMcompared to all the stuff he has done, this is small potatoes
His political rhetoric in and by itself may be "small potatoes" as you say. However, his maniac cult followers (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=7903) that spring into action by engaging in target violence against his perceived enemies is the big problem. The attacks on the FBI office and the attack on Pelosi's husband readily come to mind.
Mitt Romney has the financial resources to hire private security for his family and himself. Most people don't.
"Free speech doesn't give you the right to yell fire in a crowed theater." If anybody else pulled the crap, they would have their bail revoked and would be sitting in jail.
The appellate judges heard the Trump gag order case on an expedited schedule and are expected to issue a ruling soon.After 2 hours and 20 minutes of oral arguments, the three-judge panel of the DC Circuit Court of Appeals appears inclined to restore the limited gag order in former President Donald Trump's federal election subversion case, but may loosen some restrictions so he can more directly criticize special counsel Jack Smith.
None of the judges embraced Trump's claims that the gag order should be wiped away for good because it is a "categorically unprecedented" violation of his free speech rights.
Yet they also posed sharp questions to prosecutors as they tried to find the boundary of where intense campaign-trail rhetoric crosses the line of undermining a criminal case. Link (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-gag-order-appeals-court-11-20-23/index.html)
Quote from: HighStepper on Nov 20, 2023, 12:36 PMHis political rhetoric in and by itself may be "small potatoes" as you say. However, his maniac cult followers (https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=7903) that spring into action by engaging in target violence against his perceived enemies is the big problem. The attacks on the FBI office and the attack on Pelosi's husband readily come to mind.
Mitt Romney has the financial resources to hire private security for his family and himself. Most people don't.
"Free speech doesn't give you the right to yell fire in a crowed theater." If anybody else pulled the crap, they would have their bail revoked and would be sitting in jail.
The appellate judges heard the Trump gag order case on an expedited schedule and are expected to issue a ruling soon.
After 2 hours and 20 minutes of oral arguments, the three-judge panel of the DC Circuit Court of Appeals appears inclined to restore the limited gag order in former President Donald Trump's federal election subversion case, but may loosen some restrictions so he can more directly criticize special counsel Jack Smith.
None of the judges embraced Trump's claims that the gag order should be wiped away for good because it is a "categorically unprecedented" violation of his free speech rights.
Yet they also posed sharp questions to prosecutors as they tried to find the boundary of where intense campaign-trail rhetoric crosses the line of undermining a criminal case. Link (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-gag-order-appeals-court-11-20-23/index.html)
Yes, Temporary, any good judge will stay the order. If they do not we all should be concerned.
Again though, it is part of becoming a PUSSIFIED NATION when one rather take orders, be told what to do, and not be a LEADER.
The test on the people was covid mandates and the people fell for it. Makes it easier to gain the control and dictate to the people.
And The Democrats do not have hard core Followers? LMAO
Political parties have followers from way back far as I can see.
With all the accusations against Trump, yet he is a FREE MAN.
It is concerning that many support a Treasonous President, the D.O.J and F.B.I. being use for political purposes,
all the lies and fake evidence presented against another political party.
Not to mention local D.A.S. attempting to prosecute out of jurisdiction Federal cases..
Money being sent to other Countries that should be spent here for Our issues.
DEMONCRATS are the BEST... LMAO
All political parties have Issues and yet many support all the lies (more than normal) presented by the DEMONCRATS in the last 6 years.
I pray for all those people...
If any of us did what Trump has done we'd be in jail. His troll-bully lies to this entire planet has placed many in despair. Trump's long line of crimes has benefited from the freedom to create. His tackles words rile humans up that have been looking for a leader like Hitler. War makes money, war kills babies, war kills all our souls. War never wins.
The Constitution is the great experiment, it's the best compared to Communism, Nazism, Queen of England-ism and Religionism.
Quote from: Bande on Nov 23, 2023, 08:33 AMAnd The Democrats do not have hard core Followers? LMAO
Political parties have followers from way back far as I can see.
The Democratic Party of the United States is a big tent party composed of various factions. The four most prominent modern factions are the liberals, moderates, progressives, and conservatives. Link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Democratic_Party_(United_States))
Yes MAGA has cult followers like The Jonestown cult in the jungles of Guyana where people drank the Kool-Aid. The Manson Family, The Branch Davidians nuts in Waco, Texas. Trump held his kickoff rally for 2024 presidency in Waco to tap in to the mistrust government sentiments found among the Christian Nationalist and hard Right Wing.
Quote from: Bande on Nov 23, 2023, 08:33 AMIt is concerning that many support a Treasonous President, the D.O.J and F.B.I. being use for political purposes,
That description you made fits Trump to a T. Trump is the Benedict Arnold of the 21st century. It was Trump, NOT Biden that worked to use the Justice Department for his own political whims. This is well documented, but you won't understand this if you stay in the Right Wing echo chamber that has been shown to spout lies.
Trump is a master at projecting his weaknesses/failings on to others. Like how he has hoodwinked his base in to thinking that Republicans against him are RINO (Republican In Name Only). Trump is the biggest RINO around. Trump was a longtime supporter of Democrats politically, is devoid of traditional Republican values.
Trump has recently jumped on the word "fascist" to accuse those who speak out against him as being fascist when it is he that is expressing fascist rhetoric and engaging in fascist behaviors.
a pocket sized constitution. read up on our country's history.
Quote from: Bande on Nov 23, 2023, 08:33 AMYes, Temporary, any good judge will stay the order. If they do not we all should be concerned.
Again though, it is part of becoming a PUSSIFIED NATION when one rather take orders, be told what to do, and not be a LEADER.
The test on the people was covid mandates and the people fell for it. Makes it easier to gain the control and dictate to the people.
And The Democrats do not have hard core Followers? LMAO
Political parties have followers from way back far as I can see.
With all the accusations against Trump, yet he is a FREE MAN.
It is concerning that many support a Treasonous President, the D.O.J and F.B.I. being use for political purposes,
all the lies and fake evidence presented against another political party.
Not to mention local D.A.S. attempting to prosecute out of jurisdiction Federal cases..
Money being sent to other Countries that should be spent here for Our issues.
DEMONCRATS are the BEST... LMAO
All political parties have Issues and yet many support all the lies (more than normal) presented by the DEMONCRATS in the last 6 years.
I pray for all those people...
https://ground.news/article/trump-gag-order-in-fraud-case-reinstated-by-new-york-appeals-court_7f895e
A New York appeals court reinstated a gag order that prevents Donald Trump from commenting on court personnel in his civil fraud trial.
The trial judge, Arthur Engoron, plans to enforce the gag order "rigorously and vigorously."
The trial involves claims of conspiracy, insurance fraud, and falsifying business records, with New York Attorney General Letitia James seeking over $300 million in penalties and a ban on Trump doing business in New York.
And why, you ask, would the judge do that? Well, because Trump is Trump:
https://ground.news/article/trump-targets-wife-of-new-york-judge-overseeing-civil-fraud-trial_4463f0
Ex-President Donald Trump has employed social media to accuse Dawn Engoron, wife of Judge Arthur Engoron who is overseeing his ongoing civil fraud trial in New York City.
What Happened: The Hill reported that Trump, on Wednesday, claimed that Dawn Engoron owns an account on social media platform X, previously known as Twitter, where anti-Trump posts have been visible. Laura Loomer, a conservative activist, initially brought these allegations to light.
"Judge Engoron's Trump Hating wife, together with his very disturbed and angry law clerk, have taken over control of the New York State Witch Hunt Trial aimed at me, my family, and the Republican Party," Trump wrote Wednesday in a Truth Social post."
Trump knows that he can't win in the court of law. So, he plays the "poor me" victim, to explain his legal failings to his kool-Aid drinking base. Oh no, snivel snivel it's the Judge that's against me. Oh no, snivel snivel it's the law clerk that's against me. Oh no, snivel snivel it's the Judge's wife that's against me. Come on, what sane people are going to believe that BS?
Unfortunately there are a lot of Trump's MAGA maniacs that believe it. Death threats against a law clerk. Think about it. Who pays attention to a law clerk and knows her name and address to know where to send death threats? They only know this because of the coward Donald Trump's social media rants.
No one is talking about the coward Trump that ran away.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-reveals-why-didnt-testify-1851733
When in office again make sure you don't get killed by his dictatorship.
If MAGAS don't see this I don't feel sorry for them at all.
Well, one hood thing about this is at least Trump knows how to talk in sentences and not babbling on about con pops and that he is 150 yrs old .. Total nonsense if Biden had any sense at all.
Quote from: Sexykitty on Dec 12, 2023, 10:21 PMWell, one hood thing about this is at least Trump knows how to talk in sentences and not babbling on about con pops and that he is 150 yrs old .. Total nonsense if Biden had any sense at all.
Things the Right Wing media won't show you:VIRAL GAFFES: Trump Talks About Poll Numbers Against Obama, Warns Biden Is Taking Nation Into WWII (2 months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_DhXMAxxPc
President Donald Trump's Most Epic Gaffes of All Time (3 years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc
Trump confuses world leader's country in latest gaffe, Trump names the wrong city he is in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkvdjxeEpi4