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One thing I am not understanding is what happened to pre-Trump conservatives?   I would not classify Trump as a guy that has strictly conservative and traditional Republican values....duh!  He's more like the alternate to those that don't like liberals which is not the same thing.  I actually feel a bit sorry for people that used to be (real) Republicans and now only may have Trump and his minions to support.

Quote from: dogwalker on Dec 02, 2022, 10:17 PMpre-Trump conservatives

I grew up in a conservative household, father worked for the postal service until he had a heart attack on the floor and his supervisor kicked him repeatedly in the gut yelling at him to get back up and get back to work.

My father thought our conservative government at the time was the greatest thing, that his stable job earning 41k/yr was a blessing. Under the leadership of GHWB who was the greatest thing since sliced bread and 'the bestest president ever!', we would save this country from the communist democrats. However once he realized his position in life and his political stance meant nothing when his ass was on the floor crying out for help and all his republican buddies told him to 'shake it off, you need this job', 'don't be a mooch and go for disability', and his saviors were some democrat ladies who came over and shielded him from the supervisor kicking him he had an epiphany. The Party isn't going to save you when the shit hits the fan, so why should you support it.

Now he still voted republican for '92 because he didn't like Clinton ("he's a liar" my dad would say, oh dad... omnipotent much?) or Perot ("Grandstander") but he started to pay more attention to the candidates statements and their campaigning.

I voted Clinton in '96, considered but didn't mark for Nader '00, thought for two seconds and passed on GWB '04, ticked Obama '08, and nobody since. Didn't vote to re-elect Obama even though I supported A.C.A. up until the teeth were ripped out and it basically allowed the healthcare industry to jack up premiums and screw everyone including the poor folks who needed to get on the state sponsored plans.

I would say if conservatism could find a worthy candidate to put in the Republican primaries they could shift the centrists and moderates, but the presidency has become the platform on which to merely stifle the opposing faction. Does anyone remember the last time the government balanced the budget and had a surplus? Clinton, and granted we can't pay off the national debt instantly, and there were a lot of programs cut and things changed to the dismay of people on both sides but a democrat president and republican congress figured out how to work together. The heavy lifting was done in House, Clinton's own budget plans were shot down, but the Legislative and Executive branch worked together to compromise (now I was a young buck barely able to vote to re-elect, but I saw a glimmer of hope for both sides being willing to compromise) which is what the branches should be doing. Instead now it seems the country only wants one side to have absolute power. I say do away with Electoral College and forced two party system, let popular election results stand on their own, let the people choose, and the best candidate whichever platform they run with will win because the deciding votes are the moderates not the extremists.

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looking forward to what happens after I vote LOL

What happen to conservatives, as in where are they? I'm not sure of what today is meant by being a conservative. Most of the MAGA maniacs claim to be conservative, but they are not. Hell, Trump claims to be a conservative, but he is not.

Conservatives suffered a major setback when Trump rather than John Kasich was nominated. Kasich would have won the presidency and won a second term. Current Republican leadership which is feckless has driven conservatives out of prominence. Liz Cheney is a key example.

The loss of real conservatives happened back when the Tea Party first appeared. If you look back what you see today in MAGA are the seeds they planted blooming. Unfortunately back then real conservatives knew enough to keep them away from the main party but now, it's too late Real conservatism, where the people are more important than party has died without a gasp...

They are all a bunch of liars and crooks including the media. 

They are self serving and if you really want to to know the true look at their finances when they entered office and compare their finances when they exited 

Quote from: Blkfyre on Dec 05, 2022, 01:19 PMProminent Republicans Publicly SUPPORT Trump's Call to TERMINATE Constitution

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