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Quote from: Hobby on Apr 01, 2022, 07:31 PMTrump turned down less because he did not let them in our country in the first place. Your slide of hand moronic graph is meaningless! Trump had a agreement with Mexico to hold them there....  Fact is Biden let in almost twice as many as Trump in just one year in office.  Crimes went way up after Trump left office.

That number above is the ones he turned back, exactly what you were saying Trump did

Quote from: Blkfyre on Apr 02, 2022, 02:41 PMThat number above is the ones he turned back, exactly what you were saying Trump did

I am typing this reply very very slowly for you!  Trump prevented illegals from being able to show up at the border to ask for asylum!  Biden did away with this agreement Trump had with Mexico!

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/13/740009105/how-mexico-beefs-up-immigration-enforcement-to-meet-trumps-terms

It was effective and the right thing for our country... We are not the Nation of Free Hand Outs!

Quote from: Hobby on Apr 02, 2022, 03:47 PMI am typing this reply very very slowly for you!  Trump prevented illegals from being able to show up at the border to ask for asylum!  Biden did away with this agreement Trump had with Mexico!

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/13/740009105/how-mexico-beefs-up-immigration-enforcement-to-meet-trumps-terms

It was effective and the right thing for our country... We are not the Nation of Free Hand Outs!

My confusion comes this:  you are saying Biden isn't doing Title 42 anymore, a discussion of which was in the linked I  posted. Here, from that link:

" In response to the concerns, the Biden administration has said that asylum seekers should continue to wait until the new administration can restore humanitarian processing capacity at the border, citing the destruction to the system carried out under former President Trump. In March 2021, DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas declared that asylum seekers "need to wait," adding that "We are not saying don't come, we are saying don't come now because we will be able to deliver a safe and orderly process to them as quickly as possible." The Biden administration has continued to deliver this message throughout 2021, with White House officials repeatedly declaring that asylum seekers would be turned away if they cross the border."

Kinda sounds like if you are talking about Title 42 then wherever it is you have that says he's no longer doing it is grossly misinformed. If it's not Title 42 could you link me to that so I can take a look at what he got rid of?

Quote from: Hobby on Apr 01, 2022, 07:31 PM... Crimes went way up after Trump left office.

Do you have any links to support this statement?

Trump Wrong on Crime Record

Hate Crimes Under Trump Surged Nearly 20 Percent

Quote from: HighStepper on Apr 02, 2022, 04:36 PMDo you have any links to support this statement?

Trump Wrong on Crime Record

Hate Crimes Under Trump Surged Nearly 20 Percent

I have don't you?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics

Have a look at the numbers in 2021... 2022 its just getting started as compared to the pervious years!

Maybe I be imagining things...

Uhm, that is a list of convictions. That means those he caught and prosecuted. And that's a bad thing...how?

Quote from: Blkfyre on Apr 02, 2022, 04:49 PMUhm, that is a list of convictions. That means those he caught and prosecuted. And that's a bad thing...how?

Jesus.... they had to commit the crime first to be prosecuted and to know who committed the crime.  Stop trying to spin the facts.  Damn right it is a good thing... the point is illegals involved in crime have gone up in 2021.  Good job Joe...

And just how many crimes involving illegals who were not apprehended do you think there were? No way of knowing they were not caught.... Jesus...

Thanks for the links and clarification. I took your statement to mean crime in general. So, it is crime by noncitizens nationwide.

Quotethe point is illegals involved in crime have gone up in 2021.

I think it safe to say all "illegals" are noncitizens, but not all noncitizens are illegal. 

I couldn't upload the table screenshots.
Customs and Border Protection enforcement stats
Criminal noncitizen stats

 Total Enforcement Actions   526,901     683,178   1,148,024  646,822    1,956,519   967,743

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I guess the upload was too big... try just posting a link to data source.

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The above pic was "hotlinked" from the website it appeared on.

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The easy work around it to upload to the Gallery, then copy the image address link and post here.

At sometime that could add clutter to the gallery. Not sure if there is an easy fix to this.
Just calling it to your attention, as this is something that is recent and not experienced on P2P.

OPEN the borders! Who the fuck do you think is going to fund Social security?. "Illegal" doesn't mean they are not paying taxes! Your government gives "illegals" TINs...Tax Identification Numbers...SO THEY CAN PAY TAXES!!! Or they are using someone else's SSN AND PAYING! taxes!.

Open the Borders so illegals can contribute to supporting ssi...lol the cost of having illegals here far exceeds any amount of taxes they contribute....

Quote from: Hobby on Apr 02, 2022, 05:01 PMJesus.... they had to commit the crime first to be prosecuted and to know who committed the crime.  Stop trying to spin the facts.  Damn right it is a good thing... the point is illegals involved in crime have gone up in 2021.  Good job Joe...

And just how many crimes involving illegals who were not apprehended do you think there were? No way of knowing they were not caught.... Jesus...

Uhm, you didn't read the article I posted which is what *I* have been referring to.

Those numbers are NOT them committing crime in the US.  That is the number who tried to cross the border and were caught, prosecuted and returned where they came from so I'm not sure what it is you keep objecting to...

Quote from: Hobby on Apr 02, 2022, 09:28 PMOpen the Borders so illegals can contribute to supporting ssi...lol the cost of having illegals here far exceeds any amount of taxes they contribute....

Hardly. They are victims and you are a beneficiary. "You" in a general sense

Quote from: Tuscano on Apr 02, 2022, 11:47 PMHardly. They are victims and you are a beneficiary. "You" in a general sense

Victims of what? Victims of me not me wanting them to illegally sneak in through the back door instead of coming to the front door knocking and asking for permission to come in?