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In California, how much you pay for electricity will soon be tied to how much you earn: A state law passed last summer requires the California Public Utilities Commission, or CPUC, to approve a pricing structure that incorporates a flat fee with a sliding scale based on income. (Support The Big Guy)

Do not be fooled. You have the fees mentioned by Income, and my understanding there will be a line fee as well.

Every household has to pay, even if you have solar.

Not to mention on a separate note if one has a EV, the state in a crisis can control how much charge a ev has. Meaning at critical times if one is plugged in and the state needs power they can reverse that, leaving those with medical conditions in jeopardy.

Instead of working on building the energy supply they are controlling the people with the new legislation.

State Government is not for the people, They clearly support the big guys.

If people do not speak up this will move on to other utilities as well.. Example water.

This will cost more in the long run....

The Government across the board is taking away our choices, making decisions supporting the big guys.

Time to wake up and vote. And do not vote cuz a party suggests you to vote this way.

And vote these politicians out..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/06/01/should-your-electricity-bills-depend-how-much-money-you-make/

Government is GO Green, yet one can not go off the grid without all these legalities that purely support the system.
One example is we  live in the Country. At one time we took care of our trash. Meaning we would make regular trips to the dump. The County imposed every household must pay for trash pick up.

Quote from: Bande on Aug 19, 2023, 08:17 PMHope you are ready.

In California, how much you pay for electricity will soon be tied to how much you earn: A state law passed last summer requires the California Public Utilities Commission, or CPUC, to approve a pricing structure that incorporates a flat fee with a sliding scale based on income. (Support The Big Guy)

Do not be fooled. You have the fees mentioned by Income, and my understanding there will be a line fee as well.

Every household has to pay, even if you have solar.

Not to mention on a separate note if one has a EV, the state in a crisis can control how much charge a ev has. Meaning at critical times if one is plugged in and the state needs power they can reverse that, leaving those with medical conditions in jeopardy.

Instead of working on building the energy supply they are controlling the people with the new legislation.

State Government is not for the people, They clearly support the big guys.

If people do not speak up this will move on to other utilities as well.. Example water.

This will cost more in the long run....

The Government across the board is taking away our choices, making decisions supporting the big guys.

Time to wake up and vote. And do not vote cuz a party suggests you to vote this way.

And vote these politicians out..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/06/01/should-your-electricity-bills-depend-how-much-money-you-make/

Government is GO Green, yet one can not go off the grid without all these legalities that purely support the system.
One example is we  live in the Country. At one time we took care of our trash. Meaning we would make regular trips to the dump. The County imposed every household must pay for trash pick up.

Hmm, lets see some facts rather than scare tactics and echo chamber regurgitation:

The utilities jointly proposed a plan that would "support affordability and increased bill stability," according to their testimony to the CPUC.

It incorporates four income tiers, starting at the federal poverty level for a family of four. Because they're different sizes and cover different regions, each company would charge their customers a different dollar amount.

https://www.cnet.com/home/energy-and-utilities/electricity-bills-in-california-will-soon-be-based-on-income-heres-how-it-could-work/

Proposed fixed rate scale
Household income    Fixed rate SoCal Edison    Fixed rate PGaE    Fixed rate San Diego G&E
$28,000 or less                   $15                               $15                      $24
$28,000 to $69,000            $24                                $30                      $34
$69,000 to $180,000          $51                                $51                      $73
$180,000 or more              $85                                $92                      $128
Average customer              $49                                $53                      $74

The retail price for electricity in California is among the highest in the nation. In March, the average per-kilowatt-hour rate was about 27 cents, almost double the national average.

With a fixed charge in place, SCE estimates its customers' per-kilowatt-hour rate will decrease by about a third, KTLA reported.

SDG&E customers, who pay the highest price for electricity in the continental US, will reportedly see their volumetric rate drop by 42%.

Lower- and middle-income customers will see savings right away, Crider said. Many high-earners will eventually benefit, he added, as the popularity of electric vehicles and heat pumps increases.

But Faruqui warned the plan would punish customers who use less electricity, especially higher earners.

"They would be penalized for using less energy, which is the opposite of the state's goal to use energy efficiently," he wrote. According to Faruqui's calculations, a household in the highest bracket now paying $50 a month would see their bill soar 140%.

"Millions of customers fall in this category," he added. "Many spent thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars, to make their house energy efficient and to supply it with self-generated solar energy. Their investment will be rendered wasted."

Andrew Gong is a research engineer with Aurora Solar, a software company that develops rooftop and commercial photovoltaic systems.

Gong said it would be "unfortunate" if the power companies' costlier plan was chosen, "but we're not worried."

"It may take longer to pay back, but solar will still be a good value for most homeowners," he added.

The Sierra Club said its proposal would come to, on average, $28 for PG&E customers, $37 for SCE customers and $30 for SDG&E customers. The environmental group has historically opposed flat fees.

I'd rather see "California, are you ready for tropical storm Hilary?"

Those damn socialists.. 

First it was public schools then libraries then social security and freeways, finally healthcare.  They all were terrible ideas that hurt the average American. right??   ...  Now this?   Wow.

I won't believe any of it until something is final because all of the above is a PROPOSAL.
I also don't believe anything the CPUC or any article says now.  I'm only believing my future bill.
Why?  "They" said a few years ago my electric bill would be lower once renewable sources came online.  It isn't!
Why?  I'm not sure but I would not be surprised if it has something to do with the cost of setting up renewables compared to their power output.

This state is expensive and everything is going up. PG&E now has a base fee regardless if you don't use very much, in the past my gas bill was around $5 a month but now it's a minimum of $24.

BTW: I posted about this a couple of months ago

There's a solar mandate on all new homes built since 1/1/2020, it's also mandated if you get a major renovation on older homes. You have to pay for it whether you want it or not.

https://www.decra.com/blog/how-the-california-solar-mandate-affects-your-roof-what-homeowners-need-to-know#:~:text=The%20California%20Solar%20Mandate%20went,There%20are%20some%20exceptions%2C%20however.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Aug 20, 2023, 11:00 AMThere's a solar mandate on all new homes built since 1/1/2020, it's also mandated if you get a major renovation on older homes. You have to pay for it whether you want it or not.

https://www.decra.com/blog/how-the-california-solar-mandate-affects-your-roof-what-homeowners-need-to-know#:~:text=The%20California%20Solar%20Mandate%20went,There%20are%20some%20exceptions%2C%20however.

Hasn't this been a thing for 6 years now?

"In 2018, the California Energy Commission approved building energy efficiency standards requiring the installation of solar photovoltaic (PV) systems on all new residential construction projects."

Quote from: Blkfyre on Aug 20, 2023, 01:49 AMThe retail price for electricity in California is among the highest in the nation. In March, the average per-kilowatt-hour rate was about 27 cents, almost double the national average.

This is so misleading. 
California home prices are far above the national average. Do you want to live in Nebraska? No.
California wages are far above the national average. Do you want to live in Mississippi? No.
It's all relative.

Short Story Time: Thirty-two years ago, in February 1991, I started a new job in Sacramento. The firm was based in Atlanta, where I did a two-week training. As two Atlanta co-workers and I drove to lunch we passed a brand new, under-construction, subdivision of about twenty homes. These were 2,000 sqft two-story upscale homes, good-sized yards, fully landscaped, etc. Starting price was $99,000. I told the co-workers that was a $200K house in Sacramento. I explained I had bought a new 1,200 sqft 3/2 home on a tiny lot just over three years earlier (Nov 1988) and paid $99,500.

Did I want to live in Atlanta, Georgia? No. Hell NO!

Quote from: DoctorTaco on Aug 21, 2023, 03:54 AMThis is so misleading. 
California home prices are far above the national average. Do you want to live in Nebraska? No.
California wages are far above the national average. Do you want to live in Mississippi? No.
It's all relative.

Short Story Time: Thirty-two years ago, in February 1991, I started a new job in Sacramento. The firm was based in Atlanta, where I did a two-week training. As two Atlanta co-workers and I drove to lunch we passed a brand new, under-construction, subdivision of about twenty homes. These were 2,000 sqft two-story upscale homes, good-sized yards, fully landscaped, etc. Starting price was $99,000. I told the co-workers that was a $200K house in Sacramento. I explained I had bought a new 1,200 sqft 3/2 home on a tiny lot just over three years earlier (Nov 1988) and paid $99,500.

Did I want to live in Atlanta, Georgia? No. Hell NO!

I believe what you are saying is true. Not sure how that makes what I said misleading tho. Whether or not subjectively you think it's worth it doesn't make the numbers any less true Objectively...

Quote from: Blkfyre on Aug 20, 2023, 11:29 PMHasn't this been a thing for 6 years now?

"In 2018, the California Energy Commission approved building energy efficiency standards requiring the installation of solar photovoltaic (PV) systems on all new residential construction projects."

It's the same as the law that Gov Moonunit signed. It was recommended in 2018 but it wasn't required until 1/1/2020.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Aug 21, 2023, 08:33 AMIt's the same as the law that Gov Moonunit signed. It was recommended in 2018 but it wasn't required until 1/1/2020.

Ok, so 3.5 years. Still, not something new

It's still an unnecessary cost that's forced on home owners, average cost is $12,500 after Federal rebate.

Quote from: Blkfyre on Aug 21, 2023, 07:32 AMI believe what you are saying is true. Not sure how that makes what I said misleading tho. Whether or not subjectively you think it's worth it doesn't make the numbers any less true Objectively...

My point being- EVERYTHING is more expensive in CA. It is the cost (or curse) of living in the most beautiful state.

Why is electricity double the national average? Because wages in CA are twice the national average. California's minimum wage in 2023 is $15.50 for every business. That is over twice (214%) the Federal Minimum wage of $7.25. Would you believe there are 19 states (38%) that pay the minimum? Look at the list. Are there any that you would like to live in?  Not me.
https://www.paycom.com/resources/blog/minimum-wage-rate-by-state/

As I said in my first post: It is all relative. 
We make more in CA, but everything costs more, including electricity. Why? Because companies like PG&E, SMUD, SDG&E, and SoCal Edison all have to pay their employees more.

Another Short Story: I'm semi-retired and work a part-time job two days a week. It pays a flat daily rate. There is a huge shortage for my position in CA, which has been well documented in the news. I make $260 per day for 6hrs for my Sac area employer (some pay up to $300). Pre-Covid I was looking to move to Texas. There my position paid from $75-100 per day. Reason #1 why I did not move. #1B was the property taxes. #1C was the humidity, lol...

Quote from: DoctorTaco on Aug 22, 2023, 08:55 PMMy point being- EVERYTHING is more expensive in CA. It is the cost (or curse) of living in the most beautiful state.

Why is electricity double the national average? Because wages in CA are twice the national average. California's minimum wage in 2023 is $15.50 for every business. That is over twice (214%) the Federal Minimum wage of $7.25. Would you believe there are 19 states (38%) that pay the minimum? Look at the list. Are there any that you would like to live in?  Not me.
https://www.paycom.com/resources/blog/minimum-wage-rate-by-state/

As I said in my first post: It is all relative. 
We make more in CA, but everything costs more, including electricity. Why? Because companies like PG&E, SMUD, SDG&E, and SoCal Edison all have to pay their employees more.

Another Short Story: I'm semi-retired and work a part-time job two days a week. It pays a flat daily rate. There is a huge shortage for my position in CA, which has been well documented in the news. I make $260 per day for 6hrs for my Sac area employer (some pay up to $300). Pre-Covid I was looking to move to Texas. There my position paid from $75-100 per day. Reason #1 why I did not move. #1B was the property taxes. #1C was the humidity, lol...

Just because a thing is, does not make it right. Or affordable...