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Trump, his sons Don Jr. and Eric and their companies liable for fraud.

A New York judge ruled in the state attorney general's $250 million lawsuit against Donald Trump and his company. The former president committed repeated acts of fraud for years.

At one point, Judge Engoron pointed to Trump's having exaggerated the size of his New York apartment to pump up its value, repeatedly claiming it was over 30,000 feet when it was a third of that size. "A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud." Link

35-page ruling against Trump

Note:  This is a civil case.

According to Stormy Trump exaggerates the size of his dick... Tiny dick Trump....LOL

Republicans are turning on trump as of today.  More Republicans see all his crimes towards America and our world..

Trump complaining he isn't getting jury trial. Well his lawyer didn't want a jury trial. But of course he blamed the judge. All lies all the time.

Fraud against who? Where or who is the victim?

This is a political case out of jurisdiction designed to go after Trumps $$$$$$, since everything else that has been tried has failed thus far. Desperation to make Trumps BIG come back difficult.
These so called loans have been paid for or not in the rears.
The lending companies that approved these loans obviously had no issues.
New York, is a area that Trump in no way could get a fair trial for a VICTIMLESS CHARGE.

sanctuary getting balled up for being a sanctuary.

Quote from: Bande on Oct 05, 2023, 09:34 PMFraud against who? Where or who is the victim?

This is a political case out of jurisdiction designed to go after Trumps $$$$$$, since everything else that has been tried has failed thus far. Desperation to make Trumps BIG come back difficult.
These so called loans have been paid for or not in the rears.
The lending companies that approved these loans obviously had no issues.
New York, is a area that Trump in no way could get a fair trial for a VICTIMLESS CHARGE.

According to the NY AG, Trump's fraudulent business practices were so widespread and persistent that the AG claimed (and the trial judge agreed) that, among other things, he violated a state law that holds people accountable when they pull shit repeatedly and persistently such that the shit they pull "creates an atmosphere conducive to fraud."

It's doubtful that any of the liars you watch on YouTube know the details of the claims against Trump. But those details are available to anyone who wishes to take the time:

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/2023-04/tto_complaint.pdf

Quote from: Bande on Oct 05, 2023, 09:34 PMFraud against who? Where or who is the victim?

An easy to understand example by David Cay Johnson:

You work at an employer that closes up Friday night and opens up on Monday morning. At the end of the day Friday, you take $100 out of the till. You go to the casinos and win a $1,000.  Before the business opens up again you put a $100 back in the till.

You have committed a crime of thievery. Secondarily, the money that you won at the casino is ill gotten gains. The law is clear. You are not entitled to any money you got through a criminal act. Since Donald Trump's behavior has been shown to be fraud, a criminal act, then all of the profit he has made from this fraud is ill gotten gains and could be confiscated. 

Quote from: HighStepper on Oct 06, 2023, 12:19 PMAn easy to understand example by David Cay Johnson:

You work at an employer that closes up Friday night and opens up on Monday morning. At the end of the day Friday, you take $100 out of the till. You go to the casinos and win a $1,000.  Before the business opens up again you put a $100 back in the till.

You have committed a crime of thievery. Secondarily, the money that you won at the casino is ill gotten gains. The law is clear. You are not entitled to any money you got through a criminal act. Since Donald Trump's behavior has been shown to be fraud, a criminal act, then all of the profit he has made from this fraud is ill gotten gains and could be confiscated. 

Case you site id totally different from this case.
Due diligence clause. Puts it on the lenders.  The lenders approved it. Loans were paid back.
Thus the Judge is back tracking and 80% of the case has been thrown out.
I see this case being dropped or reduced to almost nothing.

Quote from: Bande on Oct 06, 2023, 10:11 PMCase you site id totally different from this case.
Due diligence clause. Puts it on the lenders.  The lenders approved it. Loans were paid back.
Thus the Judge is back tracking and 80% of the case has been thrown out.
I see this case being dropped or reduced to almost nothing.

The lenders made loans on more favorable terms than they otherwise would have based on Trump's many lies. Just because they didn't discover the lies themselves doesn't mean Trump is off the hook. That would be ridiculous.

As to 80 percent of the case being thrown out, that's the lie Trump told outside the courtroom. Go ahead and believe it if you wish, but the judge made clear the next day that Trump's comments didn't reflect what the judge said.

Trump almost always loses in court because that's the one place where truth and facts matter. Trump's world is lies and more lies, and that doesn't fly in a courtroom.

Quote from: Bande on Oct 06, 2023, 10:11 PMCase you site id totally different from this case.
Due diligence clause. Puts it on the lenders.  The lenders approved it. Loans were paid back.
Thus the Judge is back tracking and 80% of the case has been thrown out.
I see this case being dropped or reduced to almost nothing.

The above example was to debunk the notion that because Trump paid the loans off there was not crime. Based on that reasoning, Hunter Biden didn't break the law when he bought a gun, since no one was shot, hurt, killed with the gun. Trump broke the law. That has been established. Hunter broke the law is to be adjudicated. 

The case against Trump is about patterns of fraud. The disclaimers do not give license to submit fraudulent and misleading asset valuations. Claiming your residence is 30,000 feet when it is only 10,000 feet is blatant misrepresentation.

QuoteThus the Judge is back tracking and 80% of the case has been thrown out.

You cannot rely on Trump for factual information. He spews lies on the courthouse steps.
Try reading Forbes a moderately conservative news source.
Trump Fraud Trial: Judge Strikes Down Ex-President's Claim He Threw Out '80%' Of AG's Case Link

I would not be surprised to learn that Trump birth certificate is fake... I think Trump was born in Russia.

https://news.yahoo.com/judge-donald-trump-stfu-jail-164810800.html


Judge Arthur Engoron, Mr. Trump's gag order, STFU or go to jail, fine his toxic mouth.  For sure he will do it again.  He can't control himself with his hating rage to destroy America.

Engoron, my hero!

It's finally here

Here's Trump, yesterday, outside the courtroom in New York. In the first part of the clip, he's bitching and moaning about how the court is keeping him from getting out on the campaign trail. In the second part, the truth comes out:

Quote from: bats on Oct 20, 2023, 05:21 PMHere's Trump, yesterday, outside the courtroom in New York. In the first part of the clip, he's bitching and moaning about how the court is keeping him from getting out on the campaign trail. In the second part, the truth comes out:

Contradictory lie: https://youtu.be/loEJzE6g5F4?t=10