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Former presidents now have absolute immunity for acts involving their "core constitutional powers." Courts cannot even inquire into whether a president acted with a corrupt purpose.

Part of their reasoning was that sitting presidents need to be able to exercise discretion without having to worry about criminal allegations once their presidency ends. But now, if Trump wins in November, he'll be able to fulfill his promise to exact revenge against his opponents and be completely shielded from any future criminal charges.

This is what happens when the extremists on the court today allow their ideological biases to poison their jurisprudence: We get a decision entirely at odds with the idea that no man is above the law.

Donald Trump is a threat to USA democracy and a threat to national security with top secret documents Trump stole. It is the President's duty to protect democracy and national security. Therefore, President Biden should send seal team 6 to kill Donald Trump for the protection of America.

The Supreme Court just said that it is ok.

Absolute immunity? No, but maybe close to it which I personally find very discouraging since I do not think people of wealth, power, etc should get special treatment over others in any case.  I'd prefer a higher ethical standard.

It seems like it is more a case of whether an act was done in an official or unofficial capacity but it seems to me acts done in an official capacity, if not precisely defined, can cover a wide range of debatable actions.

Very recently I was in eastern Europe and visited some of their museums on Communism and its effects (1945-1990).  I visited the International Criminal Court in The Hague which attempts to bring national leaders deemed as criminals to justice (with a very poor success record).  Among various thoughts I got from those visits is people in countries seem to think they are ok with rulers having certain powers at a certain point for various reasons, then really regret it later.  I wonder if the same is on its way of happening here in the US.

Quote from: dogwalker on Jul 01, 2024, 07:17 PMAbsolute immunity? No, but maybe close to it which I personally find very discouraging since I do not think people of wealth, power, etc should get special treatment over others in any case.  I'd prefer a higher ethical standard.


It seems like it is more a case of whether an act was done in an official or unofficial capacity but it seems to me acts done in an official capacity, if not precisely defined, can cover a wide range of debatable actions.

The decision is so extreme that dogwalker thinks I'm making shit up! lol

They literally granted any former president absolute immunity from prosecution for any act involving what they referred to as his conclusive and preclusive authority, or his "core constitutional powers." For the case under review, they specifically said this regarding the allegations that Trump requested that the Acting Attorney General press local officials to help with the fake elector scheme:

The indictment's allegations that the requested investigations were "sham(s)" or proposed for an improper purpose do not divest the President of exclusive authority over the investigative and prosecutorial functions of the Justice Department and its offcials. And the President cannot be prosecuted for conduct within his exclusive constitutional authority. Trump is therefore absolutely immune from prosecution for the alleged conduct involving his discussions with Justice Department officials.

The issue is not what you think it "seems" like. It's what they fucking said.

Quote from: bats on Jul 01, 2024, 06:38 PMFormer presidents now have absolute immunity for acts involving their "core constitutional powers." Courts cannot even inquire into whether a president acted with a corrupt purpose.

Part of their reasoning was that sitting presidents need to be able to exercise discretion without having to worry about criminal allegations once their presidency ends. But now, if Trump wins in November, he'll be able to fulfill his promise to exact revenge against his opponents and be completely shielded from any future criminal charges.

Is that not what the Demoncrats have been doing this term? LMAO
Everyone flipping out thinking thinking changes are coming.
Demoncrats have a whooping coming, even if not by Trump..
Demoncrats have been using the justice department to go after anyone that opposes them.
Prosecuting protesters that never entered the building for protesting.. Protected under the Constitution..
Is just one of many examples..
Lets see what becomes of these detainment camps the Democrats have been building..

Quote from: HighStepper on Jul 01, 2024, 07:01 PMDonald Trump is a threat to USA democracy and a threat to national security with top secret documents Trump stole. It is the President's duty to protect democracy and national security. Therefore, President Biden should send seal team 6 to kill Donald Trump for the protection of America.

The Supreme Court just said that it is ok.

Threat to Democracy? How so.
Our RIGHTS have been trampeled on with this Administration.
Demoncrats have not acted for the people.
Documents in which he had authority over and stated he declassified many. In which he has the option to do.
You do not mention about ChinaBiden having Documents he was not authorized to have, as a Senator..

The Jan 6th trail is going to be fast tracked, with Pence on the stand.
Or Biden could just arrest Trump as an Official act. Which he should to test the court decision.

Quote from: Bande on Jul 02, 2024, 05:49 PMIs that not what the Demoncrats have been doing this term? LMAO
Everyone flipping out thinking thinking changes are coming.
Demoncrats have a whooping coming, even if not by Trump..
Demoncrats have been using the justice department to go after anyone that opposes them.
Prosecuting protesters that never entered the building for protesting.. Protected under the Constitution..
Is just one of many examples..
Lets see what becomes of these detainment camps the Democrats have been building..

You made six statements here, but none has any factual basis. It's all bullshit that's been fed to you by the "information" sources you use.

As for changes coming, they're already here. A former president charged with many felonies is now off the hook almost entirely because the corrupt supreme court has become the most powerful arm of a political party that wants nothing more to do with democracy. 

Quote from: Bande on Jul 02, 2024, 05:52 PMOur RIGHTS have been trampled on with this Administration.

And just what rights would those be? Name them if you can. Now women have lost some rights to their healthcare and minority voters have lost some rights. While they happened during Biden's administration it was the Supreme Court in the Judicial Branch NOT the Executive Branch.

Quote from: HighStepper on Jul 01, 2024, 07:01 PMDonald Trump is a threat to USA democracy and a threat to national security with top secret documents Trump stole. It is the President's duty to protect democracy and national security. Therefore, President Biden should send seal team 6 to kill Donald Trump for the protection of America.

The Supreme Court just said that it is ok.

Maybe it's what SCOTUS wants is for Biden as president to take out Trump giving Biden a way out!

I saw some discussion on Presidential immunity. The president can order the person killed and is immune from criminal prosecution. However, the staff that carried out the president's order can be criminal prosecuted for murder. The Supreme Court gave immunity to the President, but did not give immunity to the staff that perform the acts. Interesting. Have not yet found this substantiated.

Quote from: HighStepper on Jul 04, 2024, 04:58 PMI saw some discussion on Presidential immunity. The president can order the person killed and is immune from criminal prosecution. However, the staff that carried out the president's order can be criminal prosecuted for murder. The Supreme Court gave immunity to the President, but did not give immunity to the staff that perform the acts. Interesting. Have not yet found this substantiated.

We can hope that this issue never has to be tested, but SCOTUS has set things up so that it very well could be. (Not because Biden would do anything wrong, because he's a decent human. Trump, however...)

The immunity decision is utterly and obviously insane, but I guess I'm just naive enough to believe that the existing rules governing soldiers and unlawful orders still apply.

Quote from: bats on Jul 04, 2024, 05:52 PMThe immunity decision is utterly and obviously insane, but I guess I'm just naive enough to believe that the existing rules governing soldiers and unlawful orders still apply.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) specified that they are required to obey "the lawful orders of his/her superior." Can the president legally order the U.S. military "to turn their guns toward the American civilians they volunteered to protect?" Unfortunately for soldiers, the answer is still in limbo. Link

Trump in his first term suggested that the military shoot protesters.

Quote from: HighStepper on Jul 04, 2024, 08:56 PMThe Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) specified that they are required to obey "the lawful orders of his/her superior." Can the president legally order the U.S. military "to turn their guns toward the American civilians they volunteered to protect?" Unfortunately for soldiers, the answer is still in limbo. Link

Trump in his first term suggested that the military shoot protesters.

I understand, but at least it's still the case (I hope) that soldiers would have to carefully consider whether an order is "palpably illegal," as in the My Lai Massacre. And so, hopefully, military personnel, upon receiving from the president an order they have reason to believe might be illegal, would at least seek legal counsel before carrying it out.

But I suppose it would ultimately go to this same Supreme Court, which we can now safely conclude would side with Trump if he were to order the killing of innocent American civilians under the guise of fulfilling some legitimate mission.

Trump in his first term suggested that the military shoot protesters.

If we think Trump is not serious, he has privately told others to shoot his enemies.  Trump MAGA GOP Republicans, it's the party to kill your dog, women and babies.  Trump hates America and if you are in his path he will take you out.  This is already happening to Stormy Daniels, a sexworker. a porn star.  Her life is hell for fucking his bent dick.

Anyone who goes against trump will be terminated.  How's that going for you MAGA?  I wonder.  So is that why they can't change even if they see the truth that Trump kills.  Trump holds all his MAGA by his violent, murder kill threatening words.

MAGA will never have a chance with him as their dictator leader.