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Quote from: Rockeyhard on Jul 18, 2024, 11:49 AMLandlords rip people off?  That is like saying car dealerships rip people off.  It's an agreement between two parties.  If you don't like it don't rent.  Saying that the government should build housing is ridiculous!  Government can't even run itself fairly!

People have a choice to buy a car they really have no choice renting.  Sure they can do what I did and move out.  Someone with higher income who can afford the rent will move in.  The problem is People who could afford a nice place to live have to settle for a dump in unsafe location. Business should not be allowed to profit off essential human needs...

Quote from: HighStepper on Jul 18, 2024, 12:35 PMRent control is set by municipalities. It is local government's way of pushing on to the landlords the problem of housing, due to government's failures to adequately address the issue with sound planning and development policies.

Very true. When I moved into my apartment in 2015 I paid 900 per month 2 bdrm 2 bath.  In 2021 the rent rose to 1,275 now the rent is 1,850 per month. There are 200 units in the complex and I can tell you for the 6 years I lived there no improvement was done.  I am on fixed income. 

Quote from: Hobby on Jul 18, 2024, 05:07 PMBusiness should not be allowed to profit off essential human needs...

Exactly backward, and wherever this slogan is enforced the place becomes backward too. 

Essential human needs should be provided, and those who provide them are in business, and profit is the proper reason they do so.  

Thus enforcing your rule results in essential human needs being not provided, so the humans suffer. 

Housing is not like air.  Some person must build it.  That someone needs a reason.  "At gunpoint" is not a good reason.  Sounds like you prefer it to profit, though.  Is this true? 

Also notice that "government" is made of people.  If they do not get paid (their "profit"), again they work at gunpoint.  That's what government is about - force.  Is this what you propose? 

That slogan has resulted in unfathomed human misery over centuries.  It is morally repugnant to me and I reject it utterly.  

Quote from: thaikhan on Jul 18, 2024, 02:47 PMSo we talking politics outside of the political forum now?

It's not supposed to be political but I am sure you will find away to make it political. This is a discussion about the cost of living.  When I was working for Calif Corrections my income was 6,800 per month, monthly rent wasn't a concern until I retired.  I knew many residents at the complex I lived who were elderly on fixed income and had to move out the couldn't afford the rent.  One lady I knew had lived there 25 years but had to move. Now that I too am on fixed income disabled understand how rent affects a person's living and I don't like it.

Quote from: Valida on Jul 18, 2024, 05:37 PMExactly backward, and wherever this slogan is enforced the place becomes backward too.

Essential human needs should be provided, and those who provide them are in business, and profit is the proper reason they do so. 

Thus enforcing your rule results in essential human needs being not provided, so the humans suffer.

Housing is not like air.  Some person must build it.  That someone needs a reason.  "At gunpoint" is not a good reason.  Sounds like you prefer it to profit, though.  Is this true?

Also notice that "government" is made of people.  If they do not get paid (their "profit"), again they work at gunpoint.  That's what government is about - force.  Is this what you propose?

That slogan has resulted in unfathomed human misery over centuries.  It is morally repugnant to me and I reject it utterly. 

Then you shouldn't complain when escorts raise their rates.  If controls are not placed on capitalism, inflation will eventually destroy our country... Our products will become so expensive other countries will stop buying from us.  Then what?

Most of the illegals have no skills let alone a high school diploma, that's why they're poor.
Sure some of them can do landscaping but building homes requires contractors with a license, plumbers and electricians are licensed. They just don't hand licenses out, you have to apprentice for years.

I would love to live near the beach or a lake but there's no way I could afford it, that's why I live in Sacramento. I live within my means.

Quote from: Hobby on Jul 18, 2024, 05:48 PMIt's not supposed to be political but I am sure you will find away to make it political. This is a discussion about the cost of living.  When I was working for Calif Corrections my income was 6,800 per month, monthly rent wasn't a concern until I retired.  I knew many residents at the complex I lived who were elderly on fixed income and had to move out the couldn't afford the rent.  One lady I knew had lived there 25 years but had to move. Now that I too am on fixed income disabled understand how rent affects a person's living and I don't like it.

I'm not the one who lives in the political forum. And I wasn't even talking about you as I know you were just taking about rent in general. Others started complaining about political parties but I guess you couldn't help but chime in since you felt guilty and defensive. No worries, it happens.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Jul 18, 2024, 06:44 PMMost of the illegals have no skills let alone a high school diploma, that's why they're poor.
Sure some of them can do landscaping but building homes requires contractors with a license, plumbers and electricians are licensed. They just don't hand licenses out, you have to apprentice for years.

I would love to live near the beach or a lake but there's no way I could afford it, that's why I live in Sacramento. I live within my means.

And what happens when the cost go up and you no longer can afford to live in Sac?  Wasn't referring to illegals just common folk now living pay check to pay check or off their credit.  If a landlord has not incurred cost then he should not be allowed to raise rent simply because others have to cover their cost

Hobby why don't you become a landlord?  You said it yourself you have an extra $500 that you woukd be paying in rent.

More supply = less $$ the evil landlords can charge. 

Quote from: Fathernature69 on Jul 18, 2024, 11:14 PMHobby why don't you become a landlord?  You said it yourself you have an extra $500 that you woukd be paying in rent.

More supply = less $$ the evil landlords can charge. 

Rent a room out? Doesn't fix the problem. From the 60s back only one spouse worked the wife usually stayed home but now both husband and wife have to work so landlords can make their rent money.

wow, you haven't been a construction site, mostly Mexicans that don't speak english

Quote from: Romanticlover on Jul 18, 2024, 06:44 PMMost of the illegals have no skills let alone a high school diploma, that's why they're poor.
Sure some of them can do landscaping but building homes requires contractors with a license, plumbers and electricians are licensed. They just don't hand licenses out, you have to apprentice for years.

I would love to live near the beach or a lake but there's no way I could afford it, that's why I live in Sacramento. I live within my means.

Quote from: Danno on Jul 19, 2024, 10:12 AMwow, you haven't been a construction site, mostly Mexicans that don't speak english

This is not about illegals this is about a affordable place to live for ordinary citizens and old folks like me.  A person finds a nice place to live affordable and within a few years rent increases to where it's no longer affordable causing financial hardship.

they don't fix anything and ad all these stupid fees

I'm done with my rent rant. Lol.  I bought my home va 0 down 3.2% interest not a dime out of my pocket.  My payment is 1156 per month and my home now has 55,000 equity. Cost of a home per month should be no more than 25 to 30% of income. 

just talk to the providers about apartment living, all the fees they pile on. mailbox fee, gym pool fee, billing fee. and if you have a 10lb dog, $$$