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Quote from: dogwalker on Oct 10, 2024, 06:22 PMIn other words it is VERY clear who is a liberal or conservative in this forum for the most part....duh.
Y'all been criticizing each other with nearly ZERO understanding or acknowledgement of another point of view for years.  Really? THAT is what is wrong with America.....so look in the mirror and shame on you.

And...?

This is nothing new, go back to the 50's, 60's, and 70's and the partisanship was there.

The difference is that back then, pre-Trump, it was OK to think differently, we may not believe what the other side thought, but they had a right to think how they wanted. That was part of the process. Having differing opinions brought to the table strengthened us.

Trump ushered in hatred of the "other": Other nationalities, other sexualities, other political ideas. Trump and MAGA *actively* want to punish those who think differently than they do, they demonize any who do not fall into line. From Trump's childish name calling to MTG's "Jewish Space Lasers" to even *considering* abortion as being something you should go to JAIL for doing even in places it's legal. No longer is it OK to think differently, if you do, you are anti-American.

Trump and MAGA have turned "Our differences make us stronger" to "If you are different you should be punished!"

When we play a game or bet on a game we want the game to be honest no cheating and fair play...right? When it comes to our leaders should we not expect no less from them?  Trump lies and cheats whatever he is doing.  Be it golf or running the country he lies and cheats.  How anyone can support a liar and cheater I will never understand. Trump is the best conman I have ever heard!

Quote from: Hobby on Oct 11, 2024, 03:47 AMWhen we play a game or bet on a game we want the game to be honest no cheating and fair play...right? When it comes to our leaders should we not expect no less from them?  Trump lies and cheats whatever he is doing.  Be it golf or running the country he lies and cheats.  How anyone can support a liar and cheater I will never understand. Trump is the best conman I have ever heard!

Here's the thing: prior to Trump people never would have thought about acting the way they are now. It just wasn't done. Express hating Black people walking in your neighborhood got YOU ostracized. Declare your hatred of immigrants you could be slapped with a hate crime.

Now his followers do it as a matter of course because HE not only says it's ok but says he'll change laws so that it's legal to hate.

Of course those people would be 100% behind him and not want him to ever leave office...

Quote from: Blkfyre on Oct 11, 2024, 04:33 PMHere's the thing: prior to Trump people never would have thought about acting the way they are now. It just wasn't done. Express hating Black people walking in your neighborhood got YOU ostracized. Declare your hatred of immigrants you could be slapped with a hate crime.

Now his followers do it as a matter of course because HE not only says it's ok but says he'll change laws so that it's legal to hate.

Of course those people would be 100% behind him and not want him to ever leave office...

What Trump gets away with is abusing our freedom of speech.  Our founders never intended freedom for speech to be uses as a weapon against fellow citizens.  Trump is a white rich supremist make no mistake about that.  Trump uses people to get what he wants.  Only a fool would support Trump!

Quote from: CigarMan on Oct 10, 2024, 07:35 AMOK.  Politicians lie, exaggerate or whatever you want to call it, has been happening since politicians were invented

Here are a couple of facts:
 The Homeland Security Secretary said WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY for FEMA to get through hurricane season.
 It took almost seven days to get help to North Carolina, many of the first helicopters were private.
 Biden was on the beach and handled the disaster by phone for 2 hours (his words)
 Harris has NEVER called DeSantis for any other hurricane AND DeSantis spoke with Biden.
 FEMA is there to help the LOCAL authorities NOT be first responders, but they should have a budget to take care of their duties.
 Look to see how Florida deals with the devastation today compared to North Carolina.
 Her claim that the Govt is controlling weather proved Margorie Taylor Green is an idiot and probably thinks Contrails are Chemtrails too.

If you want to see how AMERICAN's operate look at the Cajun Navy, The Red Cross, United Way. Let's not let politics get in the way of treating each other well.
My two cents.

It's a nice idea to say we shouldn't let politics get in the way. It's fantasy, though, because ONE presidential candidate is stoking fear by lying about an "invasion of savage criminals," and blaming the other presidential candidate for bringing in "an army of illegal alien gang members and migrant criminals from the dungeons of the Third World."

This is not the usual double-speak or exaggeration or deflection that we've always seen in politics. This is Hitler-esque demonization of another class of people specifically designed to enrage the rest of us.

Trump is accelerating this propaganda as the campaign winds down. Here are a few more very recent Trump quotes:

• The U.S. is "occupied by a migrant criminal force"

• Election Day "will be liberation day in America"

• "Today I make you this promise: I will liberate Wisconsin and our entire nation from this mass migration invasion of murderers, child predators, drug dealers, gang members and thugs."

• "It's the horrible people that we're allowing into our country that are destroying our country."

• If elected, Trump will end "the invasion of savage criminals" and begin "the largest deportation in American history"

• If Harris is elected, she will "inundate your towns with illegal alien criminals" and "even if they haven't arrived yet, they will be."

• "If Kamala is reelected, your town, and every town just like it, all across Wisconsin and all across our country — the heartland, the coast, it doesn't matter — will be transformed into a third-world hellhole"

Repetition was one of Hitler's critical strategies for demonizing Jews. It worked.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/11/trump-turns-immigration-closing-appeal-edge-economy-fades/

FEMA may not have enough money but all they have to do is ask congress for what they need and will get it.  When it comes to emergencies people go way out of their way to help. 

Quote from: Hobby on Oct 11, 2024, 10:59 PMFEMA may not have enough money but all they have to do is ask congress for what they need and will get it.  When it comes to emergencies people go way out of their way to help. 

Yes, people generally go out of their way to help during emergencies, partisanship be damned. That was one of the points HS made earlier in this thread.

But with Trump spreading lies about FEMA funding being shifted to illegal immigrants and saying people who need help will get only $750 from FEMA; and Elon Musk amplifying the bullshit claim that FEMA is "blocking shipments and seizing goods and services locally and locking them away to state they are their own," it becomes clear that Trump and his acolytes would rather harm people in need instead of helping them.

Quote from: bats on Oct 12, 2024, 01:52 AMYes, people generally go out of their way to help during emergencies, partisanship be damned. That was one of the points HS made earlier in this thread.

But with Trump spreading lies about FEMA funding being shifted to illegal immigrants and saying people who need help will get only $750 from FEMA; and Elon Musk amplifying the bullshit claim that FEMA is "blocking shipments and seizing goods and services locally and locking them away to state they are their own," it becomes clear that Trump and his acolytes would rather harm people in need instead of helping them.

Trump says bullshit causing chaos.  I will say up until Trump ran in 2016 not much was really said about the illegals and now it's a huge issue affecting this election.  Trump would do better to state facts concerning the cost of illegal immigration than to make up shit and lie about it!

When Life is difficult for any human being, they often look for someone else to blame.  No one wants to blame themselves for their difficulties.

Trump, Like Hitler, identified a group of people, a minority, that those who are struggling in life could blame and fear.  Repeatedly stating lies, again like Hitler, results in more and more people believing that there must be some truth there or how could he keep saying it.

The whole idea is to prey on people who have a poor time thinking for themselves.  Those voters actually believe their lives will be better, their debts will disappear, they'll be able to buy a house, they wont get divorced, they'll find a bucket of gold....   If if if. Trump can just get back into office again. Because they know, Trump will Make America great again...       

Trump lies about Project 2025

https://www.yahoo.com/news/adult-film-stars-announce-100-160044706.html

Project 2025 wants to send anyone who produces porn to prison NOW.

Quote from: zoezane on Oct 12, 2024, 02:16 PMTrump lies about Project 2025

https://www.yahoo.com/news/adult-film-stars-announce-100-160044706.html

Project 2025 wants to send anyone who produces porn to prison NOW.

Trump - "I disagree with some of the things they're saying, and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal"

Trump -"I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That's out there. I haven't read it. I don't want to read it purposely. I'm not going to read it."

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Trump would probably encourage the prosecution of one porn star, Stormy Daniels.

Quote from: Hobby on Oct 11, 2024, 10:59 PMFEMA may not have enough money but all they have to do is ask congress for what they need and will get it.  When it comes to emergencies people go way out of their way to help. 

Except, they did. But because it was a talking point for Trump, Republicans voted it down: https://www.newsweek.com/how-republicans-voted-against-fema-funding-reacted-hurricane-helene-1965729

So Congress voted against more aid. But since it still needs to be a weapon to use against Harris they are continuing to play politics with people's lives:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/10/biden-johnson-congress-fema-disaster-aid-00183327

"But despite questions about the solvency of the Federal Emergency Management Agency's disaster fund, House Speaker Mike Johnson and top appropriators insist the agency can manage just fine — for now — with the $20.3 billion that Congress freed up for it late last month. That money is for the fiscal year that ends next Sept. 30.

Biden urges Congress to return for emergency storm response funding

"To be clear: Congress will act again upon its return in November to address funding needs and ensure those impacted receive the necessary resources," Athina Lawson, a spokesperson for Johnson, said in a statement to POLITICO's E&E News on Thursday."

So no, they can NOT just go back for more...

In an emergency the president can divert money from other funds like Trump did for the border wall. 

Undermine, stop, make it worse for flood victims by "jumping bean" Elon Musk and dementia Trump.  Acted real stupid on this one, the Starlink is not free by sneaky Mr. Tesla.  Both acting like Presidents to a drowning event.  I guess they are practicing their dictatorship on Florida.  Posting that FEMA not doing it's job, how insane. 

If anyone has been in a Mother Nature tragedy, it's Florida, worse than Katrina.  When Japan had that bad tsunami THE People helped each other.  Not this Nazi Ron De Santis crap to not take calls from Biden or Harris. What is wrong with this guy.  He's killing his own Floridians.

Instead of charging Florida for Starlink, Musk could of donated a few million like Taylor Swift and Dolly Parton.  Musk and Trump both are hatriots not like the real Patriots 1776.  That Continental Army|George Washington 1776 secured the Constitution (stop British red coats)

Zoe Zane, I loves her, I love America. 

https://www.newsweek.com/armed-militia-hunting-fema-hurricane-responders-1968382

Wow, good job MAGA, you managed to make your prophecy of folks being denied aid from FEMA come true. Full marks, yo!

"Federal emergency response workers operating in North Carolina's Rutherford County in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene were told to evacuate on Saturday over concerns that an "armed militia" was threatening workers in the area, it has been reported.

An official with the U.S. Forest Service, which is supporting recovery efforts along with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), sent an message to numerous federal agencies at around 1 p.m. on Saturday warning that FEMA has advised all federal responders in Rutherford County to "stand down and evacuate the county immediately," The Washington Post reported.

National Guard troops had come across two trucks of "armed militia saying they were out hunting FEMA," the email said. "The IMTs [incident management teams] have been notified and are coordinating the evacuation of all assigned personnel in that county.

Some on social media called for FEMA to be targeted after a rumor that the devastated town of Chimney Rock was going to be seized and bulldozed by the government circulated online, despite local authorities and news outlets debunking the claim."