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Pro Publica reported the other day on an 18-year-old pregnant woman in Texas who died in 2023 after she sought emergency care. She did not go in seeking an abortion. But under the Texas abortion ban, doctors were fearful of saving her life before confirming "fetal demise." This delayed her treatment until it was too late.

This is one of several examples of the monstrous effects of "pro-life" abortion laws in the United States. The thing is, Republican lawmakers are always warned this will happen, yet they proceed with the legislation anyway.

Since Republicans seem pleased with these laws, I suppose they consider the unnecessary deaths "collateral damage."

https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala

Another unnecessary death because government is in the "room" with a woman and her doctor. How many more deaths will it take?

Josseli Barnica died after being told it would be a "crime" to intervene in her miscarriage at a Texas hospital Link

Anti abortion is say they are speaking for the unborn.  That's just it they disapprove of abortion for something that is not a person yet.  The government should have no authority over a woman's body.  Where will it stop if government is continued allowed to do this? 

If we allow government to control our bodies our basic freedoms are gone...

I find it hard to believe a doctor would not do what is necessary to save a woman's life during miscarriage.  I m sure if the doctor did what he could to save the fetus no jury would convict.

Quote from: Hobby on Nov 03, 2024, 06:09 PMI find it hard to believe a doctor would not do what is necessary to save a woman's life during miscarriage.  I m sure if the doctor did what he could to save the fetus no jury would convict.

Because the laws are written by arrogant men, they control women's bodies in a haphazard way. And in Texas, the AG is a nut job who sued the Biden administration over a new rule clarifying that hospitals that receive federal funding must perform an abortion where it is necessary to save a woman's life.

Two federal courts dominated by Trump appointees agreed with Texas before the Trumpified Supreme Court declined to hear the case. 

Quote from: bats on Nov 03, 2024, 06:21 PMBecause the laws are written by arrogant men, they control women's bodies in a haphazard way. And in Texas, the AG is a nut job who sued the Biden administration over a new rule clarifying that hospitals that receive federal funding must perform an abortion where it is necessary to save a woman's life.

Two federal courts dominated by Trump appointees agreed with Texas before the Trumpified Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

Declined due to it being a State issue not Federal.
Very easy to understand.
Every state pass laws the people ask for. California us the exception, The Governor feels the people are stupid, therefore passes his own laws. Dictator Newsome.

Quote from: Bande on Nov 03, 2024, 08:08 PMDeclined due to it being a State issue not Federal.

Very easy to understand.
Every state pass laws the people ask for. California us the exception, The Governor feels the people are stupid, therefore passes his own laws. Dictator Newsome.

SCOTUS denied the appeal without giving a reason. The ruling SCOTUS let stand disagreed with the Justice Department's interpretation of the federal statute that was the source of the new rule.

Easy to understand, huh?

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-emergency-abortion-texas-bf79fafceba4ab9df9df2489e5d43e72
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-life-of-mother-texas-appeal-83770a43f44c908d81b5fa0dfc0d87e4

Quote from: Bande on Nov 03, 2024, 08:08 PMDeclined due to it being a State issue not Federal.
Very easy to understand.
Every state pass laws the people ask for. California us the exception, The Governor feels the people are stupid, therefore passes his own laws. Dictator Newsome.

Funny how because they don't pass laws you like, California is the exception. I thought the states should have the right to pass what they want regardless of what the people who live there want?

Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 03, 2024, 09:27 PMFunny how because they don't pass laws you like, California is the exception. thought the states should have the right to pass what they want regardless of what the people who live there want?

Most laws are created and passed in state legislation by elected representatives not by vote of the public.  With the technology we have today the government can place everything for public vote than having corrupt elected do our voting.

Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 03, 2024, 09:27 PMFunny how because they don't pass laws you like, California is the exception. I thought the states should have the right to pass what they want regardless of what the people who live there want?

I assume Bando is referring to Newsom using his executive authority to place a moratorium on carrying out the death penalty. And he did some stuff during COVID that some people, particularly right-wingers, didn't agree with.

Quote from: Hobby on Nov 03, 2024, 09:43 PMMost laws are created and passed in state legislation by elected representatives not by vote of the public.  With the technology we have today the government can place everything for public vote than having corrupt elected do our voting.

It would be corrupted either way, but I'd argue that voters don't have the time or expertise to learn the details involved in most lawmaking.

Quote from: Hobby on Nov 03, 2024, 09:43 PMMost laws are created and passed in state legislation by elected representatives not by vote of the public.  With the technology we have today the government can place everything for public vote than having corrupt elected do our voting.

The Founding Fathers thought the same: that farmers were too *stupid* to actually be able to make educated decisions, so they created a system where those who knew could do it for them.

Problem is, we aren't uneducated farmers anymore. Every time I go to vote, I get a packet of info on each issue from pro-people, con-people, and neutral parties and with the entirety of the internet in my pocket I can and do look up things to give me the relevant info to make an informed decision.

People today are probably better informed than the Electoral College was back when it was formed, and it's time that we get rid of barriers to our being able to enact our collective will.

Our legislators should do what those voting packets do: Provide their constituents with all the info and let them make their own choices

Quote from: bats on Nov 04, 2024, 12:09 AMIt would be corrupted either way, but I'd argue that voters don't have the time or expertise to learn the details involved in most lawmaking.

Much of the routine work, hearings, carried out day in, day out are rather boring.

Journalist Don Harris said, the elected officials are like hired hands to take care of the affairs of government while the people are busy with the truly important things, like earning a living and taking care of family.

If your "hired hand" is not doing the job, fire them at the next election.