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Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 08, 2024, 07:12 PMThey shouldn't. They should send them right back over the border like you and other conservatives say California should do, right?

Many countries to enter one must show they can sustain themselves while visiting.
To get residency one must show a consistent income to live or put $$$$$ in a account to show they are not a burden.
These illegals are here on our tax dollars, that means each and everyone of us pay for it while our citizens and veterans suffer homelessness. I guess many are ok with that.

Quote from: Bande on Nov 08, 2024, 09:01 PMMany countries to enter one must show they can sustain themselves while visiting.
To get residency one must show a consistent income to live or put $$$$$ in a account to show they are not a burden.
These illegals are here on our tax dollars, that means each and everyone of us pay for it while our citizens and veterans suffer homelessness. I guess many are ok with that.

We've previously discussed the fact that undocumented immigrants contribute significantly to the federal and state governments through taxes. And some of those taxes go to programs like Social Security and Medicare, that the undocumented don't even benefit from.

Immigration should be managed, and both parties have failed in that task. The claim that illegal immigrants contribute to the homelessness of veterans and other lawful citizens is baseless, but that's the kind of hate that Trump has been selling.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 02:14 PMMayor Adams of NYC stopped the free money the other day, it was a waste of taxpayer money to begin with. Chicago is another illegal sanctuary city and the residents have had enough of the giveaways.

I think if a family illegal or not was homeless and starving I would take them into custody give them food shelter and minimum medical then arrange for them to leave our country.  Yeah I know they should not be here illegally in the first place but children involved it's only right to help them.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 07:30 PMGoogle is your friend...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/group-illegals-used-blowtorches-cellphone-jammers-disguises-rob-banks-across-multiple-states-feds

https://www.propublica.org/article/chinese-organized-crime-gift-cards-american-retail

https://nypost.com/2024/11/04/us-news/execution-style-slay-in-texas-pinned-on-tren-de-aragua/

So, SOME illegals are committing crimes:

First story - "A group of illegal immigrants",
Second story - "some of the individuals who were arrested were within weeks to months of being encountered illegally crossing the southern border."
Third story - "Three illegal migrants"

How, exactly, does that qualify for "many"?

There are more natural born white citizens in a single block of Houston Texas than in those three stories...

Quote from: Bande on Nov 08, 2024, 09:01 PMMany countries to enter one must show they can sustain themselves while visiting.
To get residency one must show a consistent income to live or put $$$$$ in a account to show they are not a burden.
These illegals are here on our tax dollars, that means each and everyone of us pay for it while our citizens and veterans suffer homelessness. I guess many are ok with that.

How are they here on your tax dollars?

Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 04:05 PMWhy should Texas or any other state have to feed or house them?

If you can't take care of yourself then GTFO.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 08, 2024, 07:28 PMDeportation is a Federal matter not a state matter, the senile dear leader and the VP who is in charge of the border aren't doing their jobs.

Hmmm, so it's a Federal issue, not a state one, yet the conservatives in this forum constantly ragged on Newsom for the illegal problem in California when Trump was President.

I guess it was Trump who wasn't doing his job then huh?

Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 09, 2024, 12:03 AMHmmm, so it's a Federal issue, not a state one, yet the conservatives in this forum constantly ragged on Newsom for the illegal problem in California when Trump was President.

I guess it was Trump who wasn't doing his job then huh?

No we were ragging on Democrats, it was California Democrats who passed the law that forbad LE from contacting ICE.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 09, 2024, 06:47 AMNo we were ragging on Democrats, it was California Democrats who passed the law that forbad LE from contacting ICE.

So, states rights are everything when it comes to YOUR interests, but states shouldn't have any right to do as they want when you don't like it.

Got it

Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 09, 2024, 10:06 AMSo, states rights are everything when it comes to YOUR interests, but states shouldn't have any right to do as they want when you don't like it.

Got it

Only if they make sense, Democrats have no common sense.

Got it?

Quote from: Blkfyre on Nov 08, 2024, 07:10 PMCould you link us to some statistics that say that?  I don't remember seeing that many of them were doing that. Also, what's "many"?

It wouldn't make any difference to you if he linked a 1000 crimes illegals have committed here.  You must be sleeping if you don't believe illegals in the US are committing crimes. 

Quote from: Hobby on Nov 09, 2024, 11:32 AMIt wouldn't make any difference to you if he linked a 1000 crimes illegals have committed here.  You must be sleeping if you don't believe illegals in the US are committing crimes. 

I am sure they are. I am also sure that the crimes committed by natural born citizens FAR eclipse that of illegal aliens.
I am also sure that the "many" illegals committing crimes is just another republican scare tactic against brown people...

Quote from: Romanticlover on Nov 09, 2024, 11:22 AMOnly if they make sense, Democrats have no common sense.

Got it?

So, if a law doesn't make sense to the people of the state as opposed to the government, it should be struck down?

You know, like the laws making abortion illegal in many republican states: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/05/politics/abortion-state-ballot-measure-dg

As everyone knows when a person enters our country unauthorized or over stays their visa or work permit they have committed a felony. So to saw undocumented migrantes don't or haven't committed a crime is false.

When illegals are apprehended for a crime they usually have committed dozens before they were caught and often they just pay a fine and released.  When criminals arrive at a reception prison they are tested for their education and if they speak English.  If they fail the test they are put into a school at the prison. Grades 1 to 12 and taught English.  After they serve their sentence they may be deported or released. 

It's a total waste of money to educate illegals.  We need federal prison work camps where the illegal is paid to work at minimum wage until they have repaid the cost of imprisonment any fines and retribution and earn the money to send them out of our country. 

I don't want anyone here illegally.  I do want an extreme increase in legalized immigration. Our nation's population is dropping. We need more people joining the work force, paying into social security and paying taxes. We cannot sustain our current benefits with a dwindling population. 

Whether some Americans like it or not, we need more coming across the border, not less. 

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