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Quote from: bats on Dec 10, 2024, 06:23 PMRather than punish the children by ripping their parents away, how about we provide a program that grants amnesty to parents who meet specific requirements?

How about people immigrate legally and stop popping out anchor babies.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Dec 10, 2024, 06:39 PMHow about people immigrate legally and stop popping out anchor babies.

Since Trump is saying he doesn't want to break up families, I'm just trying to suggest a legal way to do that. His stated plan of forcing families to choose one country or the other is against the law.

Hey, do you think maybe he was making things up AGAIN and doesn't actually give a shit about breaking up families?

Quote from: bats on Dec 10, 2024, 06:23 PMRather than punish the children by ripping their parents away, how about we provide a program that grants amnesty to parents who meet specific requirements?

No on amnesty.
You do not have to rip families apart, deport the whole family, solves the separation issue.
You do understand they purposely travel near the to be born date hoping they all could stay.
No, baby was conceived out of Country and go back.

Quote from: bats on Dec 10, 2024, 08:22 PMSince Trump is saying he doesn't want to break up families, I'm just trying to suggest a legal way to do that. His stated plan of forcing families to choose one country or the other is against the law.

Hey, do you think maybe he was making things up AGAIN and doesn't actually give a shit about breaking up families?

Not forcing to choose. Whole Family gets deported.
They are in this Country unlawfully anyways.

Quote from: Bande on Dec 10, 2024, 09:38 PMNot forcing to choose. Whole Family gets deported.
They are in this Country unlawfully anyways.

That's not how it works. The children who were born here are United States citizens. He can't deport them. It doesn't matter that some of them do it intentionally.

If he doesn't want to break up families, as he claims, then he should work with Congress to pass a law that grants some of the parents amnesty. His proposal to keep families together is unconstitutional.

Not that he gives a shit about the Constitution.

Quote from: Bande on Dec 10, 2024, 09:38 PMNot forcing to choose. Whole Family gets deported.
They are in this Country unlawfully anyways.

Not according to the Constitution: https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/

"Fourteenth Amendment
Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. "

So, the children are, per the CONSTITUTION, US Citizens. Deporting US citizens would be against the law:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Quote from: Blkfyre on Dec 10, 2024, 10:59 PMNot according to the Constitution: https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/

"Fourteenth Amendment
Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. "

So, the children are, per the CONSTITUTION, US Citizens. Deporting US citizens would be against the law:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Ok, the child stays, who do you propose to care for the child? The parents can not stay, they are illegal.
So, which is it? All the crying about breaking up families.
That is a play they do to hopefully stay in the States, and ship them back. They are here illegally.
Natural born is fine, kind of hard to sustain oneself.
Natural born is not the parents.

Quote from: bats on Dec 10, 2024, 10:09 PMThat's not how it works. The children who were born here are United States citizens. He can't deport them. It doesn't matter that some of them do it intentionally.

If he doesn't want to break up families, as he claims, then he should work with Congress to pass a law that grants some of the parents amnesty. His proposal to keep families together is unconstitutional.

Not that he gives a shit about the Constitution.

Parents are not.
Therefore you take care of the child.
Parents are illegal and get booted....
Therefore it is the parents choice, they leave and care for the child is by someone else or the family stays together and leaves the Country..

Quote from: bats on Dec 10, 2024, 10:09 PMThat's not how it works. The children who were born here are United States citizens. He can't deport them. It doesn't matter that some of them do it intentionally.

If he doesn't want to break up families, as he claims, then he should work with Congress to pass a law that grants some of the parents amnesty. His proposal to keep families together is unconstitutional.

Not that he gives a shit about the Constitution.

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No Amnesty PERIOD. You just flood the Country with more illegals.
Family can stay together by leaving the Country...Not staying in the States.
You slap all the people in the face by coming here legally.
I know of no Country that would allow what you propose.

Quote from: Bande on Dec 11, 2024, 05:25 PMParents are not.
Therefore you take care of the child.
Parents are illegal and get booted....
Therefore it is the parents choice, they leave and care for the child is by someone else or the family stays together and leaves the Country..

Let's say the child is a minor but old enough to decide whether they want to stay in the U.S. The parents are working, paying taxes, and are law-abiding. So you deport the parents, but the child is in the limbo of the child welfare system.

Is that a desirable outcome for anyone? Is taking such a hard line on this issue so important that we're willing to damage perfectly functional families irreparably?

Quote from: Bande on Dec 11, 2024, 05:23 PMOk, the child stays, who do you propose to care for the child? The parents can not stay, they are illegal.
So, which is it? All the crying about breaking up families.
That is a play they do to hopefully stay in the States, and ship them back. They are here illegally.
Natural born is fine, kind of hard to sustain oneself.
Natural born is not the parents.

That's not my problem. The problem has to be resolved by you and Mr. Trump, who are planning on kicking the parents out. This is not a liberal issue. He's the one who's doing this so he needs to come up with a resolution that is not illegal to do.

Quote from: bats on Dec 10, 2024, 06:23 PMRather than punish the children by ripping their parents away, how about we provide a program that grants amnesty to parents who meet specific requirements?

We need to build concentration camps for illegals.  There they can have their kids.  No medical for adult illegals and they must work.

Quote from: Blkfyre on Dec 11, 2024, 06:20 PMThat's not my problem. The problem has to be resolved by you and Mr. Trump, who are planning on kicking the parents out. This is not a liberal issue. He's the one who's doing this so he needs to come up with a resolution that is not illegal to do.

LMAO Illegal. He has done said what the plan is.
And, you want to talk illegal, the current administration has been operating illegal.. Borders were never closed, borders were wide open with clandestine efforts to get the illegals here.

Damn, you see some smart people dropping from Democrats like flies....

Quote from: Hobby on Dec 11, 2024, 08:07 PMWe need to build concentration camps for illegals.  There they can have their kids.  No medical for adult illegals and they must work.

Nah, just ship them back...

Quote from: Hobby on Dec 11, 2024, 08:07 PMWe need to build concentration camps for illegals.  There they can have their kids.  No medical for adult illegals and they must work.

We'd be depriving the kids of basic constitutional protections. Can't do it.