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Imagine that.
C.I.A. have now stated the China Virus started from a lab.
Eat Crow fools that said opposite..
Fauci will pay for the disaster he put upon the people...

You know I dislike Fauci as well.  He cost many good Americans their livelihoods.  He gained monetarily at good Americans expense.  He should have some sort of punishment.

Quote from: Bande on Jan 31, 2025, 05:54 PMImagine that.
C.I.A. have now stated the China Virus started from a lab.
Eat Crow fools that said opposite..
Fauci will pay for the disaster he put upon the people...

This is so dumb. The CIA's assessment, which was made with "low confidence," is that it is more likely that it leaked from a lab than that it came from a natural reservoir.

Notably, the agency stated they will "continue to evaluate any available credible new intelligence reporting or open source information that could change CIA's assessment."

Basically, nobody can be entirely sure. Why do the MAGA-brains continue to try to politicize it?

Quote from: Bande on Jan 31, 2025, 05:54 PMImagine that.
C.I.A. have now stated the China Virus started from a lab.
Eat Crow fools that said opposite..
Fauci will pay for the disaster he put upon the people...

The CIA now believes the virus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic most likely originated from a laboratory, according to an assessment released Saturday that points the finger at China even while acknowledging that the spy agency has "low confidence" in its own conclusion. the agency's assessment assigns a low degree of confidence to this conclusion, suggesting the evidence is deficient, inconclusive or contradictory.

The finding is not the result of any new intelligence, and the report was completed at the behest of the Biden administration and former CIA director William Burns. It was declassified and released Saturday on the orders of President Trump's pick to lead the agency, John Ratcliffe. Link

AS previously discussed. Experts are siding with Dr. Anthony Fauci in the dispute with Sen. Rand Paul over whether experiments done on bat coronaviruses conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology constituted gain of function research.
https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=25182

Quote from: HighStepper on Jan 31, 2025, 08:33 PMThe CIA now believes the virus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic most likely originated from a laboratory, according to an assessment released Saturday that points the finger at China even while acknowledging that the spy agency has "low confidence" in its own conclusion. the agency's assessment assigns a low degree of confidence to this conclusion, suggesting the evidence is deficient, inconclusive or contradictory.

The finding is not the result of any new intelligence, and the report was completed at the behest of the Biden administration and former CIA director William Burns. It was declassified and released Saturday on the orders of President Trump's pick to lead the agency, John Ratcliffe. Link

AS previously discussed. Experts are siding with Dr. Anthony Fauci in the dispute with Sen. Rand Paul over whether experiments done on bat coronaviruses conducted at the Wuhan Institute of Virology constituted gain of function research.
https://fantasysaloon.com/index.php?msg=25182

Follow the money trail.. Fauci in my opinion is worse Than Hitler in my opinion. Inflected death on many to test biological warfare..

Quote from: Bande on Jan 31, 2025, 10:38 PMFollow the money trail.. Fauci in my opinion is worse Than Hitler in my opinion. Inflected death on many to test biological warfare..

Too many Americans believe this kind of crap because, I guess, they don't have the tools to differentiate fact from fiction. People should demand evidence before adopting this kind of crackpot conspiracy theory.

No wonder we're sleepwalking into fascism.

The way I look at the origin of COVID is many theories can be formed but there is little SOLID, DEFINIITIVE evidence to PROVE any of those theories and there may never be. So without that it's just guess work and finger pointing which I find useless.  Investigations can be biased either because they are on purpose (e.g., politically motivated) or because their methods are flawed or because they over-interpret their data.  Just a few weeks ago I saw another report that indicated the virus most likely had natural origins.  But some here are going to believe a CIA report?  That's comical to me.  The CIA for sure has a trustworthy history (that's sarcasm by the way).

Personally I place some weight on precedent.  ALL human viruses to date had their origins in an animal or another human.  If you know anything about viruses this makes sense because viruses need another living host to replicate.  Even if COVID "escaped" from a lab (which it didn't---viruses don't have legs or wings--a human may have got infected with it from a sample they were working with and left the lab) it was most likely in an animal sample brought to the lab before that.  ALL the epidemics and pandemics we have had started in an animal.  Flu comes from birds and pigs.  MERS came from camels.  SARS and Ebola seem to come from bats. Many other non-pandemic viruses come from animals. Four corners virus came from prairie dogs.  Rabies comes from rabid dogs. And so on.  

As far as lab escapes there have been cases where viruses (or other human pathogens) have escaped from labs.  The book The Hot Zone is based on a real story.  About 5 involved viruses.  However all of those were rapidly contained and did not result in any further spread.

Another theory is the Chinese government "invented" COVID.  In this theory the "government" of China made COVID from scratch or more likely started with a less pathogenic COVID and made it more pathogenic.  I can shoot tons of holes in that argument.  First among them is the technology is not known to exist to do that. (Then some might propose the Chinese were the first.) Second, why unleash it on their own people? (Some might say it's an evil government and they don't care.)  Third, most weapons developers co-develop antidotes.  The Chinese COVID vaccine is widely believed to not be very effective so if this theory is true was that bad vaccine supposed to be their antidote?  Surely Xi Jingping would not have wanted to get COVID and die from a government-invented virus.  (A counter-argument to this is the government developed a better vaccine for its rulers.)

We should not be quick to judge.  In case anyone does not know, a new variant of bird flu is rapidly spreading in the US in cows and more recently to pet cats (where it has been 100% lethal) and skunks.  It has killed one person.  It's 2 steps from becoming the next worldwide pandemic.  The first cases clearly were identified in the US.  IF it becomes a pandemic should the rest of the world blame it on us?  Or is the speculation going to be China invented it and secretly infected our cows?  Birds (and bats and insects) fly.  Perfect agents for spreading disease.

There's a funny thing about random scapegoating......

Trump and the far right just refused to admit that Trump shit the bed on how he handled COVID in the US. He was so embarrassed by all the mistakes and lies he made. They needed a scapegoat and figured they'd turn all their attention onto  the World Health Organization and especially "Big Bad Fauci". The minions jumped on board and ate it up, anything to not have to admit that Trump fuck over our nation.

Trump was 1st in line for that vaccine

No the covid virus was being studied in the lab. The virus was not created in a lab. Some how people in the lab were exposed to the virus and became sick spreading the virus before it could be contained. When people became ill in November and December 2019 China informed WHO about it.  As the virus spread Trump in January 2020 suspended all flights from China to the United States.  Democrats Pelosi and Schumer dismissed the actions taken by Trump as some sort of stunt by Trump. I don't believe the far right conspiracy spreading morons that China developed the virus. Trump should have kept his mouth shut instead of telling us how he had the virus under control. Trump pumped out a lot of misinformation and just outright lies.  Could the virus been prevented...probably but once it was beyond control of the lab could not be stopped from spreading around the world.

Quote from: Bande on Feb 03, 2025, 08:09 PMI purely support downsizing the Government and cutting the fat.
Government has gotten out of Control and forgetting they work for the People. Not the Unions nor pharmacies..
Lots of $$$$$ being wasted and going to useless organizations.

Far as China goes, Fauci and China launched biological warfare. Therefore they should disappear from this Earth.
My opinion..

No China did not intentionally launch a virus on the world.  Stop the conspiracy bull shit.  If China intentionally infected the world we and other countries would be at war with China. China notified Trump of the virus and Trump took action to stop it from coming to the US.  China cooperated with the world to combat it.  The 1918 world pandemic started in the US... did the US launch the virus on the world intentionally? No!

No China did not intentionally launch a virus on the world.  Stop the conspiracy bull shit.  If China intentionally infected the world we and other countries would be at war with China. China notified Trump of the virus and Trump took action to stop it from coming to the US.  China cooperated with the world to combat it.  The 1918 world pandemic started in the US... did the US launch the virus on the world intentionally? No!

It is a fact Fauci was working on biological weapons in China.
Biological weapons was released on the World. Intentional or not Fauci and China are responsible.

oh brother!

How people can blame Fauci and not Trump is mindboggling. Your MAGA Idiot blatantly LIED to the American public, sat on his hands, and suggested we inject bleach in our veins. He has the blood of over 800,000 people who died from Covid on his hands. 
Now he's spouting off about Canada being the 51st state and the US taking the Gaza Strip and developing it into a vacation destination. The amount of bullshit and lies that Diaper Donnie says daily is laughable.

Quote from: Bande on Feb 08, 2025, 05:40 PMNo China did not intentionally launch a virus on the world.  Stop the conspiracy bull shit.  If China intentionally infected the world we and other countries would be at war with China. China notified Trump of the virus and Trump took action to stop it from coming to the US.  China cooperated with the world to combat it.  The 1918 world pandemic started in the US... did the US launch the virus on the world intentionally? No!

It is a fact Fauci was working on biological weapons in China.
Biological weapons was released on the World. Intentional or not Fauci and China are responsible.

It's a fact the US had several scientists working in China studying viruses but Trump removed them.  There is no evidence to support your conspiracy theory Fauci was working on biological weapons. If you have proof show me the beef!