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Quote from: Hobby on Feb 08, 2025, 01:53 PMI have no problem giving my ID upon request to Law Enforcement if they ask.  I have nothing to hide. If I lived in a neighborhood with gang members I would be happy and supportive of the effort to arrest them and remove them for my neighborhood would be safer.  The far left Dems don't want to show ID not even when voting.  Far left enables criminals to commit crimes and not punish them. I worked in prisons been around criminals of many notorious gangs.  I read their criminal files and they should have been executed for what they did. 

that's the stuff they go caught doing

Quote from: bats on Feb 08, 2025, 01:44 PMApart from traffic stops, the can't demand anything from you without reasonable suspicion. But they can ask for it. The story you linked didn't indicate any cops demanded ID from residents.

You are getting caught up in the word Demand. In this case it merely means ask to see it

Quote from: Blkfyre on Feb 09, 2025, 12:08 AMYou are getting caught up in the word Demand. In this case it merely means ask to see it

Let's look at the relevant verbiage you yourself linked:

Colorado authorizes police officers to lawfully demand certain information during traffic stops and when they reasonably suspect that you are about to commit or have already committed a crime. Outside these scenarios, the law does not require that you comply with an officer's request to see your ID.

This wording reflects applicable law, which is that a cop's "lawful demand" means you have to comply to avoid some legal consequence, usually an arrest.

"Outside these scenarios," you're free to decline the officer's "request" without consequence.

See the difference? It's right there staring you in the face.

Many Countries ask for ID to show you are lawfully in the Country.
Nothing new.
Example.
Upon entering Mexico one has to obtain a FMM card. Person must keep it on them.
If one gets asked to see the FMM card and one does not have it, That person is escorted to the border.
I see no issues asking for IDs, even for voting..

you don't have to show your ID if you are the passenger

Quote from: Bande on Feb 09, 2025, 08:15 PMMany Countries ask for ID to show you are lawfully in the Country.
Nothing new.
Example.
Upon entering Mexico one has to obtain a FMM card. Person must keep it on them.
If one gets asked to see the FMM card and one does not have it, That person is escorted to the border.
I see no issues asking for IDs, even for voting..

So what card do you carry that shows you are here legally, and it's not a drivers license?

Quote from: Bande on Feb 09, 2025, 08:15 PMMany Countries ask for ID to show you are lawfully in the Country.
Nothing new.
Example.
Upon entering Mexico one has to obtain a FMM card. Person must keep it on them.
If one gets asked to see the FMM card and one does not have it, That person is escorted to the border.
I see no issues asking for IDs, even for voting..

In this country, the cops can ask but you can decline to comply unless they have "reasonable suspicion."

I'd hope you do have issues with the idea that cops should be able to demand IDs any time they feel like it.

Quote from: bats on Feb 09, 2025, 10:13 PMIn this country, the cops can ask but you can decline to comply unless they have "reasonable suspicion."

I'd hope you do have issues with the idea that cops should be able to demand IDs any time they feel like it.

And why not?  I see no issue of having to identify yourself to a police officer.  Why be uncooperative.  Never a good idea to piss off a cop.  Back in the day I rode at night with sheriff deputy and let me tell you that it's a dangerous job.  Cop may happen to come across a criminal with warrants for arrest. They guy refuses to show his ID so the cop let's him go and maybe be weeks before the guy is caught. Mean while the guy commits more crimes.

Quote from: Hobby on Feb 09, 2025, 10:44 PMAnd why not?  I see no issue of having to identify yourself to a police officer.  Why be uncooperative.  Never a good idea to piss off a cop.  Back in the day I rode at night with sheriff deputy and let me tell you that it's a dangerous job.  Cop may happen to come across a criminal with warrants for arrest. They guy refuses to show his ID so the cop let's him go and maybe be weeks before the guy is caught. Mean while the guy commits more crimes.

Of course it's a dangerous job, but that doesn't mean I have to put myself in danger just to placate them. It's a mistake to think they have your interests in mind, or that things couldn't possibly go wrong for you.

The Constitution protects me from incriminating myself in any way. But I have to exercise my rights to avail myself of that protection.

If a cop were to ask for my ID, and it's not a traffic stop, I would hope that I'd politely ask the cop whether it was a lawful demand. If not, I'd end the interaction (again, politely).

EVERY defense lawyer will tell you that if you think the cop suspects you of a crime, you should keep your mouth shut. Besides, if the cop has reasonable suspicion, he doesn't need your consent.

If you are illeagly arrested a suit for false arrest can be filed against law enforcement.

I do know for fact that cops are biggest liars.

Quote from: Danno on Feb 09, 2025, 09:06 PMSo what card do you carry that shows you are here legally, and it's not a drivers license?

Quote from: Bande on Feb 09, 2025, 08:15 PMMany Countries ask for ID to show you are lawfully in the Country.
Nothing new.
Example.
Upon entering Mexico one has to obtain a FMM card. Person must keep it on them.
If one gets asked to see the FMM card and one does not have it, That person is escorted to the border.
I see no issues asking for IDs, even for voting..

So what card do you carry that shows you are here legally, and it's not a drivers license?

Quote from: Danno on Feb 10, 2025, 10:32 AMSo what card do you carry that shows you are here legally, and it's not a drivers license?

When I am asked for my ID they aren't checking my citizenship.  All that is needed is a Government issued ID or Drivers license.  If my citizenship comes into question I can provide my birth certificate.  In fact here in Nevada to obtain a Drivers license you have provide a birth certificate or if you are not born here but authorized to be here have documentation to prove it.  I have no issue with showing my Drivers license to police when asked. Why make a big fuss over it?

Quote from: Hobby on Feb 10, 2025, 01:21 PMWhen I am asked for my ID they aren't checking my citizenship.  All that is needed is a Government issued ID or Drivers license.  If my citizenship comes into question I can provide my birth certificate.  In fact here in Nevada to obtain a Drivers license you have provide a birth certificate or if you are not born here but authorized to be here have documentation to prove it.  I have no issue with showing my Drivers license to police when asked. Why make a big fuss over it?

and why wouldn't they be asking you for proof of citizenship. Drivers License doesn't count. The reason I bring this up is a Mexican friend of mine born here, 65 years old. had grand kids in car. was pulled over ask for proof. luckily he wasn't to far from home and cop followed him home to see his birth certificate. this is happening everywhere, that's why the mexicans are out there protesting.

Quote from: Danno on Feb 10, 2025, 03:33 PMand why wouldn't they be asking you for proof of citizenship. Drivers License doesn't count. The reason I bring this up is a Mexican friend of mine born here, 65 years old. had grand kids in car. was pulled over ask for proof. luckily he wasn't to far from home and cop followed him home to see his birth certificate. this is happening everywhere, that's why the mexicans are out there protesting.

Was it cop or federal agent?  Cops don't check people for citizenship.  There are probably a few cops that do but not department policy. 

You don't need to have your id on you.  About 4 years ago I was pulled over didn't have my wallet.  The police officer said that's okay so  I gave him my name and he went to his car on his computer put in my name and my photo with all my information popped up.  He looked me and said yep it's you. Wrote me ticket but not for not having ID.   You can take pics of your drivers license and insurance card and store on your phone .