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Quote from: HighStepper on May 29, 2022, 08:58 PMPeople keep using the term "open border" without fully understanding the meaning. The border between California and Nevada is an open border. There may be agricultural inspection stations, but there is no restriction on people.

The border between the US and Mexico is not an open border. The vast majority of what are known as enforcement encounters result in U.S. immigration officials turning people away at the border.

So, we can discuss increasing enforcement resources and methods to reduce further the number of people coming into the country illegally.

I think the term Open Border everyone understands the meaning, including the illegals, "Come on in and get your free shit, No one will stop you, Trump is gone, Sit awhile, put your feet up, you all come back now"!

Quote from: Blkfyre on May 31, 2022, 05:25 PM"I'm not sure I've seen a level of self-delusion greater than the "I need my guns so I can overthrow a tyrannical government" crowd. Buddy, the US government spends $800 BILLION a year on defense. They could level your entire neighbourhood from the Gulf of Mexico if they wanted."

Taken from the internet, but no less true...

You obviously do not know history to make such a statement like that.
One of the many issues our founding fathers gave us that Right..
Our military has been weekend by politics. Politicians should keep their non serving asses out of military business.
What administration depleted our military?
What administration built our military back up?
Then again what administration depleted our military?

Quote from: Bande on May 31, 2022, 07:26 PMYou obviously do not know history to make such a statement like that.
One of the many issues our founding fathers gave us that Right..
Our military has been weekend by politics. Politicians should keep their non serving asses out of military business.
What administration depleted our military?
What administration built our military back up?
Then again what administration depleted our military?

What? The right to buy a gun and go and shoot kids? I don't think so! Then again...  Maybe the founders knew some kids would grow up to be Democrats...LOL

Quote from: Bande on May 31, 2022, 07:26 PMYou obviously do not know history to make such a statement like that.
One of the many issues our founding fathers gave us that Right..
Our military has been weekend by politics. Politicians should keep their non serving asses out of military business.
What administration depleted our military?
What administration built our military back up?
Then again what administration depleted our military?

The last official insurrection where the US military had to fight against it's own people taking up arms to protest keeping people as property didn't go well (They lost despite still wanting to fly traitorous rebal flags) and doesn't really compare to now:

1) Used primarily single-shot weapons, and a canon was the worst thing you could run across. Contrast that to the various planes, tanks, drones, air strikes etc. and the dude with a garage full of automatic weapons only lasts until the tank comes rolling down the street and takes out the garage, house, and the neighbor's place barely slowing down to reload.

2) In that conflict they had actual soldiers that did what most republicans hide behind but never do, form into militias or armies. Joe six-pack who barely knows what the word militia means outside of NRA rhetoric would quickly be overcome by superior force and tactics.

And it's funny, if you talk about American soldiers up against professional soldiers in any other country, the average Republican can't stop talking about the overwhelming force, equipment, and training that would ensure American soldiers overcome any other country's army without breaking a sweat.

But talk about that same bunch of American soldiers coming up against joe six pack and all of a sudden they are going to be taken down with no fuss by a guy too busy watching Fox to get that well trained army from #1 above is gonna kick his ass six ways from Sunday...

Quote from: Hobby on May 31, 2022, 05:40 PMI think the term Open Border everyone understands the meaning, including the illegals, "Come on in and get your free shit, No one will stop you, Trump is gone, Sit awhile, put your feet up, you all come back now"!

Simplistic over generalization that detracts from meaningful solutions.

Immigration experts, writing in the Washington Post, agree that "the current increase in apprehensions fits a predictable pattern of seasonal changes in undocumented immigration combined with a backlog of demand because of 2020's corona virus border closure." It's "not a surge," they said. "The patterns of migration do not seem to correlate to any specific U.S. immigration policy. The numbers seem to go up and down on a logic of their own." People leave their home countries for reasons other than U.S. policy, such as deteriorating economic, political or public safety conditions. Link

Banning is CRAZY.
3/4 of crime is committed with a handgun.

One is 300 times more likely to die from medical malpractice than to be shot by a rifle.

Mental health needs to be addressed..

Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?
In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as "assault weapons" – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as "type not stated."

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

Quote from: Bande on Jun 01, 2022, 03:26 PMBanning is CRAZY.
3/4 of crime is committed with a handgun.

One is 300 times more likely to die from medical malpractice than to be shot by a rifle.

Mental health needs to be addressed..

What's CRAZY is living in a society where mass shootings occur on a regular basis. This doesn't happen in any other country, and there's an obvious reason for it. Hint: It's not mental health.

Also, what the fuck does medical malpractice have to do with deaths caused by rifles?

Quote from: bats on Jun 01, 2022, 04:27 PMWhat's CRAZY is living in a society where mass shootings occur on a regular basis. This doesn't happen in any other country, and there's an obvious reason for it. Hint: It's not mental health.

Also, what the fuck does medical malpractice have to do with deaths caused by rifles?

Obviously you have issues if you can not see that one.
Point is people are calling to ban assault rifles when there are far more deaths and issues...

Quote from: Bande on Jun 01, 2022, 04:33 PMObviously you have issues if you can not see that one.
Point is people are calling to ban assault rifles when there are far more deaths and issues...

Another shooting in Tulsa Oaklahoma Medical School Campus today, that's it, I am buying a .44 mag and strapping on my hip...

Quote from: Bande on Jun 01, 2022, 04:33 PMObviously you have issues if you can not see that one.
Point is people are calling to ban assault rifles when there are far more deaths and issues...

The argument that more people are killed by_______________ than mass shootings is not going to be given merit.

It is analogous to you are way more likely to die traveling in a car than traveling in an airplane.  You are more than 2,000 times more likely to die in a car than on a plane.

The catastrophic nature of the events grabs our attention calling for the need to seek ways to prevent their occurrence.

Democrats don't want to talk about the soaring number of drug overdose adolescent deaths.  There have been more teen overdoses in the last few years than in the history of all the people killed in mass shootings. Democrats won't do anything to secure our borders from the drug smuggling pouring in. This is a bigger issue than guns.  I think more people have been murdered in Chicago by guns yet Democrats have failed to do anything about the gun violence that takes place in Democrat stronghold cities, controlled by Democrats. Let's minimize the other deaths, and the other issues by comparing the odds of deaths in planes, trains, and car accidents.

Quote from: Hobby on Jun 01, 2022, 07:00 PMDemocrats don't want to talk about the soaring number of drug overdose adolescent deaths.

Where do you get this stuff from? How is this a partisan politics issue?

Quote from: HighStepper on Jun 01, 2022, 07:26 PMWhere do you get this stuff from? How is this a partisan politics issue?

Obviously not at the same store you buy yours...LOL