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Quote from: Rockeyhard on Nov 06, 2024, 07:44 AMThe country has finally "woken" up!  I pray the country can get back on track!

The Democrats will start riots and hysteria like they had before. And yes just like they instigated and started J6 as well.
MAGA will control Congress and get it done this time without the Bullshit from the left blocking them.
Corrupted D.O.J. and F.B.I. I hope is revamped or goes away due to their activity the last 4 years.

Trump 2024... Popular vote as well..
Life is good today.
Do Not Forget retribution for all those lies as well. Just like the Left has been doing for the last 6 years for those that opposed them.

Another note, California has voted Schift, crazy to vote a liar and distributor of fake evidence. For one, I hope he gets his dues...

Quote from: bats on Nov 06, 2024, 02:24 AMYou people are still comparing the riots in the summer of 2020 with the insanity at the Capitol? It was an inapt comparison then, and it's patently ridiculous now.
Suspicious? To who? Trump and his merry band of delusional sycophants? OK

Where did all of the votes go from 2020? This, is what I mean when I say suspicious. Sad SMF doesn't format this cleanly. Hope it's legible.

| Election Year | Democratic Candidate | Democratic Vote Total | Republican Candidate | Republican Vote Total |
|---------------|----------------------|-----------------------|----------------------|-----------------------|
| 2024          | Kamala Harris        | 67M                  | Donald Trump        | 72M                  |
| 2020          | Joe Biden            | 81,283,501            | Donald Trump        | 74,223,975            |
| 2016          | Hillary Clinton      | 65,853,514            | Donald Trump        | 62,984,828            |
| 2012          | Barack Obama          | 65,915,795            | Mitt Romney          | 60,933,504            |
| 2008          | Barack Obama          | 69,498,516            | John McCain          | 59,948,323            |
| 2004          | John Kerry            | 59,028,444            | George W. Bush      | 62,040,610            |
| 2000          | Al Gore              | 51,003,926            | George W. Bush      | 50,456,002            |
| 1996          | Bill Clinton          | 47,400,125            | Bob Dole            | 39,198,755            |
| 1992          | Bill Clinton          | 44,909,806            | George H. W. Bush    | 39,104,550            |
| 1988          | Michael Dukakis      | 41,809,074            | George H. W. Bush    | 48,886,097            |
| 1984          | Walter Mondale        | 37,577,114            | Ronald Reagan        | 54,455,472            |

Quote from: bligslick on Nov 06, 2024, 01:24 AM....But don't pretend the left never disagreed with Trump's 2016's election results validity.  It was never accepted.  Many specific examples of this including HC...

By the same token, let's NOT PRETEND that there is an equivalency or "whataboutism" here.

Unlike Trump, Hillary Clinton gave a concession speech acknowledging that she lost the election.

After Trump 2016 election thousands of people across the country marched and shouted "Not My President" there were some who burned EFFIGIES of Trump. These were not "city burners" to be conflated with the riotous elements of peaceful protests about issues NOT related to an election.

Obama met with Trump after the election to aid in the transfer of power. The Nation saw the gracious transfer of power by Mr. and Mrs Obama and President Trump and the new first lady.

Trump didn't even show up at the Biden inauguration.

Quote from: bligslick on Nov 06, 2024, 10:48 AMWhere did all of the votes go from 2020? This, is what I mean when I say suspicious...

OMG, even on a supposed happy election results there is are conspiracy theories of voter skullduggery  to be pushed. You think maybe ALL the votes are not yet counted. You think maybe not as many people voted in the 2024 election as the 2020 election. Despite unique challenges to voter registration and voting created by COVID-19 and heightened concerns about turnout as a result, the 2020 election had the highest voter turnout of the 21st century. Link

Quote from: bligslick on Nov 06, 2024, 10:48 AMWhere did all of the votes go from 2020? This, is what I mean when I say suspicious. Sad SMF doesn't format this cleanly. Hope it's legible.

| Election Year | Democratic Candidate | Democratic Vote Total | Republican Candidate | Republican Vote Total |
|---------------|----------------------|-----------------------|----------------------|-----------------------|
| 2024          | Kamala Harris        | 67M                  | Donald Trump        | 72M                  |
| 2020          | Joe Biden            | 81,283,501            | Donald Trump        | 74,223,975            |
| 2016          | Hillary Clinton      | 65,853,514            | Donald Trump        | 62,984,828            |
| 2012          | Barack Obama          | 65,915,795            | Mitt Romney          | 60,933,504            |
| 2008          | Barack Obama          | 69,498,516            | John McCain          | 59,948,323            |
| 2004          | John Kerry            | 59,028,444            | George W. Bush      | 62,040,610            |
| 2000          | Al Gore              | 51,003,926            | George W. Bush      | 50,456,002            |
| 1996          | Bill Clinton          | 47,400,125            | Bob Dole            | 39,198,755            |
| 1992          | Bill Clinton          | 44,909,806            | George H. W. Bush    | 39,104,550            |
| 1988          | Michael Dukakis      | 41,809,074            | George H. W. Bush    | 48,886,097            |
| 1984          | Walter Mondale        | 37,577,114            | Ronald Reagan        | 54,455,472            |

The simplest explanation, also usually the best, is that the Democratic votes from 2020 didn't turn out in 2024.

Why? I don't know, but there was no evidence of significant vote fraud in 2020. Those claims were thoroughly debunked, rejected by the courts, and, in any case, implausible given the decentralized nature of our national elections.

Citing these numbers as the basis of your "suspicion" is worse than Trump saying Biden couldn't possibly have won given the crowd sizes at the stupid rallies.

@HighStepper, you could be right about the votes not being fully counted so far. Good point.

As far as whataboutism, there's been plenty of that. From both sides.

Let's just say there are fine people on both sides of this.  That you completely disagree with me on many issues. I'm okay with that too. Clearly there are plenty of vocal people who agree with you and many silent ones that agree with me. I'm going to go play golf, and later, get some work done. Either way, whatever happened last night. My life won't change much, but... I'll have a skip in my step for at least a short while

Like I said a month ago, it was Latino voters that made
the difference. 20% more voted for Trump this election
compared to 2020. Also Republicans were energized to vote whereas Democrats not so much.

By state law Pennsylvania is one of the few states that can't start counting votes until AFTER polls close on election day so yeh there MIGHT be a delay in getting their final tally although it ended up not mattering as much as some thought since Trump may end up winning nearly all the other swing states.  Due to the numbers, Harris couldn't lose more than 1 or 2 swing states or she'd lose the election.

Quote from: bats on Nov 06, 2024, 09:34 AMI don't think the campaigning was the difference. Instead, it was just the pendulum swinging back the other way.

If we still have a democracy in four years, it will swing back again.

She ran a terrible campaign. Never countered the false ads

Quote from: Danno on Nov 07, 2024, 03:38 PMShe ran a terrible campaign. Never countered the false ads

We're in an age where facts don't matter. Look at Trump. The guy puts out so much outrageous shit that even people who voted for him don't believe all of it. They pick and choose the bits they like and dismiss the rest as "Trump being Trump."

Her campaign was fine, but too many people are unhappy with the status quo. They think the overall economy is in poor shape because of a single factor: inflation. It doesn't matter that it wasn't Biden's fault or that it's slowing. It feels like they're paying more every time they go to the grocery store.

And here's the thing: Democrats weren't as worried about the dangers of having Trump back in the White House as they should have been. No matter how well Kamala ran her campaign, those dangers should have motivated people to vote.

It's a shame that we don't have an informed electorate.

Quote from: bats on Nov 07, 2024, 04:58 PMIt's a shame that we don't have an informed electorate.

Hilarious. If we don't agree with your conclusions, we're ill informed. Check.

It's the belief that there is only 1 right and 1 wrong. Some people can only see things from their view and believe it to be the only truth

Quote from: thaikhan on Nov 07, 2024, 06:19 PMIt's the belief that there is only 1 right and 1 wrong. Some people can only see things from their view and believe it to be the only truth

You posted picture an excellent example of the issue. Access to information through various media channels, including news outlets and social media, plays a significant role in shaping an informed electorate.

Seemingly more prevalent than any other time, there are divided sources of information. We have the "6" echo chamber in which people only get the perspective of "6" and the "9" echo chamber where only the "9" perspective is available.

I have relatives that proudly proclaim that the don't look at mainstream media anymore. So, where do they get their news from? They are reticent to say.

Quote from: bligslick on Nov 07, 2024, 05:44 PMHilarious. If we don't agree with your conclusions, we're ill informed. Check.

It is more complex than that. However, I would simply say, using the aid of thaikhan's picture and the past election, there were Trump supporters that were well informed and supporters that were ill informed. The same with Harris supporters, there were well informed and ill informed voters.

Quote from: thaikhan on Nov 07, 2024, 06:19 PMIt's the belief that there is only 1 right and 1 wrong. Some people can only see things from their view and believe it to be the only truth

yup, like both sides are always wrong...

Quote from: HighStepper on Nov 08, 2024, 11:08 AMIt is more complex than that. However, I would simply say, using the aid of thaikhan's picture and the past election, there were Trump supporters that were well informed and supporters that were ill informed. The same with Harris supporters, there were well informed and ill informed voters.

Yes, I think there's a mixture in both voting groups. Considering the right-wing propaganda machine, however, I think it is more likely that Trump supporters don't understand what they've chosen. The alternative, scarily, is that they do understand it, and like it.

Democratic voters don't think Trump is that big of a danger, either, because too few turned out despite the Harris campaign hammering away at the warning signs. Maybe it's difficult to take seriously when Trump has dominated the Republicans for almost 10 years, and the sky still hasn't fallen.

Right now MAGA are furious reading about Project 25, Trump going after houses and lands.  Many MAGA have not educated themselves but gone on the word of a dictator.  Trump does not care about MAGA or anyone.  It will shock millions of MAGA the horror that is coming.

https://www.aclu.org/project-2025-explained

.... sleep like a baby until you have no where to live

MAGA just signed their lives away for death