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Trump's blanket pardon of people convicted of crimes on January 6th applies to a man from Citrus Heights who last year was indicted on charges of receipt of child pornography.

Obviously, nobody would accuse Trump of knowingly applying the J6 pardon to someone like this, and to be clear the pardon doesn't apply to these more recent charges.

But this does illustrate that the blanket pardon was done, as usual for Trump, in reckless fashion. Any thinking person would have considered that some of the rioters were messed up in other ways, but not Trump, because he's not a thinking person. He's a narcissistic asshole.

Quote from: bats on Jan 22, 2025, 06:11 PMTrump's blanket pardon of people convicted of crimes on January 6th applies to a man from Citrus Heights who last year was indicted on charges of receipt of child pornography.

Obviously, nobody would accuse Trump of knowingly applying the J6 pardon to someone like this, and to be clear the pardon doesn't apply to these more recent charges.

But this does illustrate that the blanket pardon was done, as usual for Trump, in reckless fashion. Any thinking person would have considered that some of the rioters were messed up in other ways, but not Trump, because he's not a thinking person. He's a narcissistic asshole.

Indicted is not convicted.  Innocent till proven guilty right?  Now if the guy is convicted and most likely will be, then this should be taken into account. Just about everyone violates law they just haven't been caught.  Most of those pardon have been serving time for what they did.  The pardon just gets them out of prison early.  Some of the people were arrested and charged but couldn't afford a good attorney to fight for them so they wound up pleading guilty to whatever the government wanted then to plead guilty to.  Many have no prior trouble with the law.  Their lives are ruined! Trump should have been arrested and charged the day he left office for causing the attack.  He should have been removed from office. But none of that happened and Trump managed to get reelected mostly because of the poor job Biden did.

VP JD Vance, Senator Mitch McConnell, Senator Susan Collins, Senator Thom Tillis, and other Republicans have expressed that they do not support pardons for those who committed violent crimes, including assaulting police officers.

Here is the problem. Trump doesn't like arduous time consuming tasks. To go through the list of January 6th rioters and separate out violent from the non violent could not have been accomplished on day one. It makes one wonder why didn't Trump have staff go through this months ago?  Of course as we know Trump is often weak when it comes to planning, yet strong when it comes to "scheming."

For Trump getting it done quickly was more important than getting it done accurately.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 22, 2025, 06:47 PMIndicted is not convicted.  Innocent till proven guilty right?  Now if the guy is convicted and most likely will be, then this should be taken into account. Just about everyone violates law they just haven't been caught.  Most of those pardon have been serving time for what they did.  The pardon just gets them out of prison early.  Some of the people were arrested and charged but couldn't afford a good attorney to fight for them so they wound up pleading guilty to whatever the government wanted then to plead guilty to.  Many have no prior trouble with the law.  Their lives are ruined! Trump should have been arrested and charged the day he left office for causing the attack.  He should have been removed from office. But none of that happened and Trump managed to get reelected mostly because of the poor job Biden did.

A lot of what you've said about the J6ers may be true, but that's not the point. The point is that Trump pardoned them all only because they supported him. And he's targeting people he doesn't like only because they don't support him.

He's corrupting the criminal justice system even more than it already is solely for his own benefit. He doesn't think the law should apply to him or his supporters, which is exactly what happens in dictatorships.

Also, Trump wasn't elected because Biden did a poor job. He was elected because too many Americans are misinformed and susceptible to propaganda.

One of those pardoned has already been re-arrested, on a gun possession charge.

Trump shouldn't have been so brash on this topic.  A deeper dive should have been done to pardon the innocent 99.9%, but the people who punched cops, etc., needed to be reevaluated.  Still, that pales in comparison to the murderers that Biden pardoned (Fauci is at the top of that list, but there were the people how "pulled that actual trigger" also pardoned.)

Quote from: bats on Jan 22, 2025, 07:26 PMA lot of what you've said about the J6ers may be true, but that's not the point. The point is that Trump pardoned them all only because they supported him. And he's targeting people he doesn't like only because they don't support him.

He's corrupting the criminal justice system even more than it already is solely for his own benefit. He doesn't think the law should apply to him or his supporters, which is exactly what happens in dictatorships.

Also, Trump wasn't elected because Biden did a poor job. He was elected because too many Americans are misinformed and susceptible to propaganda.

Biden's poor performance during the debate sealed the deal that Biden would lose the election.  There was no misinformation about Biden's mental decline that night.  Biden himself proved he was unfit to lead.

Quote from: kidinacandystore on Jan 23, 2025, 10:23 AMTrump shouldn't have been so brash on this topic.  A deeper dive should have been done to pardon the innocent 99.9%, but the people who punched cops, etc., needed to be reevaluated.

Here's a deep dive on "the innocent 99.9%":

Of 1,583 individuals charged, they break down as follows

• Assault on Law Enforcement: ~608 charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or obstructing them during a civil disorder (felony offenses).
• Use of Dangerous Weapons: ~180 charged with using or carrying dangerous weapons in or around the Capitol.
• Property Crimes: ~153 charged with destruction or theft of federal property; 6 charged with both crimes.

 
So, it appears that about 60 percent of those charged "punched cops, etc.," but there will be no reevaluations. Trump wouldn't do it, and it's doubtful that he could even if he wanted to.

Quote from: bats on Jan 23, 2025, 12:28 PMHere's a deep dive on "the innocent 99.9%":

Of 1,583 individuals charged, they break down as follows

• Assault on Law Enforcement: ~608 charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or obstructing them during a civil disorder (felony offenses).
• Use of Dangerous Weapons: ~180 charged with using or carrying dangerous weapons in or around the Capitol.
• Property Crimes: ~153 charged with destruction or theft of federal property; 6 charged with both crimes.

 
So, it appears that about 60 percent of those charged "punched cops, etc.," but there will be no reevaluations. Trump wouldn't do it, and it's doubtful that he could even if he wanted to.

What is the point in all of this?  Trump said during his campaign he would pardon the rioters so it was no secret or surprise. During Trump's campaign people sounded off but Trump was reelected.  He can't run again so any negativity toward him makes no difference. The rioters are pardoned and that is that. Why engage in debates or discussion that won't change anything? 

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 23, 2025, 01:56 PM... Why engage in debates or discussion that won't change anything? 

Perhaps it is how some people process what is currently a top story in the news. No one is forced to engage in the debate if they feel it is not worthwhile.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 23, 2025, 01:56 PMWhat is the point in all of this?  Trump said during his campaign he would pardon the rioters so it was no secret or surprise. During Trump's campaign people sounded off but Trump was reelected.  He can't run again so any negativity toward him makes no difference. The rioters are pardoned and that is that. Why engage in debates or discussion that won't change anything? 

It's simple. After literal decades of commenting in political forums without ever changing a single mind, and with no hope of ever doing so, this issue represents my best chance of leading some lost soul in the darkest corner of this site to glimpse a thin strand of light.

Quote from: bats on Jan 23, 2025, 04:13 PMIt's simple. After literal decades of commenting in political forums without ever changing a single mind, and with no hope of ever doing so, this issue represents my best chance of leading some lost soul in the darkest corner of this site to glimpse a thin strand of light.

Good luck.  The time for debate is just before the election. Who knows maybe things will get better...

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 23, 2025, 04:35 PMGood luck.  The time for debate is just before the election. Who knows maybe things will get better...

I just snorted out loud

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 23, 2025, 01:56 PMWhat is the point in all of this? 

Dang Hobby, now you sound like me!  I agree that most of the people here, most of whom are stubborn and older, will never change their mind at this point about a political issue.  They are dug in tighter than a leech (or a stripper on a man's wallet?).  In spite of that, I do occasionally learn something new or something I read here gets me curious with my own questions so I go do some additional reading about it. 

Quote from: dogwalker on Jan 23, 2025, 07:07 PMDang Hobby, now you sound like me!  I agree that most of the people here, most of whom are stubborn and older, will never change their mind at this point about a political issue.  They are dug in tighter than a leech (or a stripper on a man's wallet?).  In spite of that, I do occasionally learn something new or something I read here gets me curious with my own questions so I go do some additional reading about it. 

Quote from: dogwalker on Jan 23, 2025, 07:07 PMDang Hobby, now you sound like me!  I agree that most of the people here, most of whom are stubborn and older, will never change their mind at this point about a political issue.  They are dug in tighter than a leech (or a stripper on a man's wallet?).  In spite of that, I do occasionally learn something new or something I read here gets me curious with my own questions so I go do some additional reading about it. 

They don't have to change their mind but the debate and argument is over.  In October 2024 everyone had their say up to the day of the election.  I wasn't in favor of Trump nor did I vote for the felon. Like it or not America has spoken and Trump won. Just keep track what happens so in October 2026 Mid Terms is the time to sound off again with facts to back them up.  The election is over Trump is my president so I will give him a chance to improve the country.  I hope he does end the wars...