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More peaceful protesters, according to Trump, who said it was "an honor" to let these two dozen or so criminals off the hook.

The miscreants were convicted of violating a federal statute that "prohibits threats of force, obstruction and property damage intended to interfere with reproductive health care services."

According to the report in Politico, "many of them were charged with barricading the doors of clinics with bicycle locks and other implements, pushing and in some cases injuring clinic workers, and preventing patients from accessing health services."

All very peaceful.

Another anti-abortion activist, granted anonymity because they fear retaliation from the administration, complained that Trump had moved on his first day in office to pardon more than 1,500 people convicted of crimes related to the invasion of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, but waited until Thursday to take action on the clinic protesters.

"These pardons are fully in line with Trump's agenda to oppose the weaponization of the government," she said. "So why he couldn't have pardoned them along with the 1,500 on Day 1 is beyond me." Link

Quote from: HighStepper on Jan 23, 2025, 10:15 PM"These pardons are fully in line with Trump's agenda to oppose the weaponization of the government," she said. "So why he couldn't have pardoned them along with the 1,500 on Day 1 is beyond me." Link

Apparently, the anti-abortion criminals are jealous of the J6 criminals and pissed that Trump didn't let them off the hook for their crimes one day earlier than he did.

In other words, they're just as childish and petty as the guy they voted for.

How long have these people been imprisoned?  How long do you want to punish someone for a crime like this?  The goal of incarnation is not for punishment per say but rather to reform the person from doing it again.  When a person is a danger to society they have to be kept locked away.  First timers usually learn their lesson and don't repeat.
 

When a first timer is incarcerated for a non violent crime they may serve less than two years on a 7 year or more sentenced.  After release from prison they will find it difficult to be hired having a felony record.  This never goes away.  And I think when a non violent felon is released their criminal history should be sealed and only made known if their is real need for the employer to know. Sealing the record so first time felons can have a second chance is the right thing to do.  Many time because of the criminal history they can't obtain a good paying job to support their family they return to crime.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 24, 2025, 11:48 AMHow long have these people been imprisoned?  How long do you want to punish someone for a crime like this?  The goal of incarnation is not for punishment per say but rather to reform the person from doing it again.  When a person is a danger to society they have to be kept locked away.  First timers usually learn their lesson and don't repeat.
 

The issue is not whether they were in prison for longer than I think necessary or whether these particular convicts would be a danger to society upon release.

The glaring problem is that Trump is using the pardon power to give breaks only to people who support him. He's using the power of the presidency to benefit himself.

It's the same with the J6er pardons. In justifying his decision, he mentioned the terrible conditions in which the J6ers were imprisoned.

 But the Bureau of Prisons didn't construct shitty prisons just for the J6ers. If the J6ers were housed in shitty conditions, then so were the other prisoners in the same facilities. But Trump only pardoned the J6ers, because those people support him.

What you expect?  Trump won't help those that don't support him... This is pretty much true about anyone...the difference is Trump is vocal about it.  Have to say it worked. Trump got reelected.  It's damn if he does and damn if he doesn't.  Had he not done this his opponents would say he broke his campaign promise.  I have already seen this on other forums..

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 24, 2025, 12:34 PMWhat you expect?  Trump won't help those that don't support him... This is pretty much true about anyone...the difference is Trump is vocal about it.  Have to say it worked. Trump got reelected.  It's damn if he does and damn if he doesn't.  Had he not done this his opponents would say he broke his campaign promise.  I have already seen this on other forums..

With the Supreme Court's immunity decision, a president's vast power is virtually unaccountable except through impeachment and removal, which obviously hasn't worked with Trump.

That unaccountability is all the more reason for us to expect that the person we elect won't abuse the power we've entrusted in him. But Trump doesn't act as though he understands that he's in a position of trust. On the contrary, he seems to view the power of the office as something he can personally use to exact revenge against his opponents and reward his supporters.

People can say whatever they want about Biden's pardons or Clinton's or any other president's. No prior president even comes close to Trump in abusing power. He's a corrupt and sick person, and I will never understand how millions of Americans either can't see that or look the other way.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 24, 2025, 12:00 PMWhen a first timer is incarcerated for a non violent crime they may serve less than two years on a 7 year or more sentenced.  After release from prison they will find it difficult to be hired having a felony record.  This never goes away.  And I think when a non violent felon is released their criminal history should be sealed and only made known if their is real need for the employer to know. Sealing the record so first time felons can have a second chance is the right thing to do.  Many time because of the criminal history they can't obtain a good paying job to support their family they return to crime.

They should be in jail as long as the law allows/recommends for the crime. They got their day in court. They didn't prove their innocence. Why should they get one day less than someone else who committed a similar crime?

And, they committed a crime. And just like any criminal, they need to face the consequences of that. If that means a hard life afterwards, oh well. NOBODY forced them to attend the event, and only Trump, who is immune from his consequences, is responsible other than them.

So, do the crime, do the time. Fuck around and find out indeed...

Well, at least until Trump pardons his partners in crime that is...

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 24, 2025, 11:48 AM... The goal of incarnation is not for punishment per say but rather to reform the person from doing it again.  When a person is a danger to society they have to be kept locked away.  First timers usually learn their lesson and don't repeat.

Sorry but that pig won't fly here.

There hasn't been any public expression of remorse from these pardoned anti-abortion activists. There should be no expectation that they will not engage in this type behavior in the future.

The violent J6 criminals have not expressed remorse and are now embolden.  They are Trump's private militia ready to be called into action if Trump needs them. Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio vows vengeance. Jan. 6 Investigators need to "feel the heat."

Quote from: Blkfyre on Jan 24, 2025, 01:39 PMThey should be in jail as long as the law allows/recommends for the crime. They got their day in court. They didn't prove their innocence. Why should they get one day less than someone else who committed a similar crime?

And, they committed a crime. And just like any criminal, they need to face the consequences of that. If that means a hard life afterwards, oh well. NOBODY forced them to attend the event, and only Trump, who is immune from his consequences, is responsible other than them.

So, do the crime, do the time. Fuck around and find out indeed...

Well, at least until Trump pardons his partners in crime that is...

It cost lots of money to fight criminal charges.  Many don't have the money so they plead guilty to lesser offense. You would think different if you got caught solicitation and wind up in jail

Quote from: HighStepper on Jan 24, 2025, 02:50 PMSorry but that pig won't fly here.

There hasn't been any public expression of remorse from these pardoned anti-abortion activists. There should be no expectation that they will not engage in this type behavior in the future.

The violent J6 criminals have not expressed remorse and are now embolden.  They are Trump's private militia ready to be called into action if Trump needs them. Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio vows vengeance. Jan. 6 Investigators need to "feel the heat."

Doesn't matter if you agree with Trump or not.  If you don't like what he does then don't vote for him.. oh wait you didn't vote for him and he still got elected with the power to pardon his friends.

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 24, 2025, 04:51 PMDoesn't matter if you agree with Trump or not.  If you don't like what he does then don't vote for him.. oh wait you didn't vote for him and he still got elected with the power to pardon his friends.

I was NOT disagreeing with Trump, I was disagreeing with you. My response was to your second chance redemption speech. "The goal of incarnation is not for punishment per say but rather to reform the person from doing it again.  When a person is a danger to society they have to be kept locked away.  First timers usually learn their lesson and don't repeat."

Like I've said before he was elected and gets to what he does. I just wish he would do it, and not lie, brag, blame. 

Quote from: Hobby on Jan 24, 2025, 04:49 PMIt cost lots of money to fight criminal charges.  Many don't have the money so they plead guilty to lesser offense...

In the U.S. justice system, 94% of prosecuted state criminal cases and 97% of federal criminal cases end in plea bargains. It has been that way for over 50 years.

They're also curtailing further prosecutions under the statute violated by those given pardons, and are ready to ask for a dismissal of cases already brought.

This was pretty much laid out in that Project 2025 document that Trump said he knew nothing about.