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Quote from: Hobby on May 15, 2022, 04:27 PMThen you should be supporting the Supreme Court majority as that is exactly what they are saying by sending the abortion issue back to the states where voters can decide. It won't be the government it will be the voices of the people heard.

If our national politics were about "the voices of the people," we wouldn't have the current Supreme Court majority. Trump wouldn't have been president, and the Senate wouldn't have been able to deny a vote on the Garland nomination and then ram through Barrett's confirmation while voting was literally already underway.

Quote from: Hobby on May 15, 2022, 06:48 PMHow does an ll-year-old pregnancy have to do with the issue of the US Supreme Court sending abortion back to the states?  Only the morons of the extreme right or left bring up this nonsense. Common sense will prevail.  What is the rape, incest abortion ruling in California? California does have time limits and when abortions can take place.

Uhm, I JUST posted a governor who is trying to get an absolute ban, incest and rape included passed. So yes, an 11 year old rape victim is VERY relevant...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/supreme-court-overturn-roe-v-wade-no-rape-incest-exceptions/629747/

Twenty-two states have abortion bans that would become law almost immediately if a leaked Supreme Court decision on abortion rights goes into effect. Many of these state bans contain no exceptions for rape or incest survivors.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-abortion-conservatives-supreme-court-20220506-zdfjswn4cveora32emjhu3m4x4-story.html

"...because Idaho is one of at least 22 states with laws banning abortion at the 15th week or earlier, many of them lacking exceptions for fetal viability, rape or incest, or even the health of the woman. Several of those bans would take effect if the U.S. Supreme Court issues a ruling overturning the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, as a leaked draft of the opinion suggests."

If states pass laws to ban abortions completely then those cases will go through the appeals courts and be heard and decided by the federal courts on a case by case basis.  Abortion will not be totally banned in any state. 

Quote from: Hobby on May 15, 2022, 07:36 PMIf states pass laws to ban abortions completely then those cases will go through the appeals courts and be heard and decided by the federal courts on a case by case basis.  Abortion will not be totally banned in any state. 

Which 1) will take years, thus still making 11 year old have babies from rape, and 2) according to republicans we are getting rid of Roe v Wade BECAUSE federal courts shouldn't be making decisions for states, right?

Quote from: Blkfyre on May 15, 2022, 07:43 PMWhich 1) will take years, thus still making 11 year old have babies from rape, and 2) according to republicans we are getting rid of Roe v Wade BECAUSE federal courts shouldn't be making decisions for states, right?

Quote from: Blkfyre on May 15, 2022, 07:43 PMWhich 1) will take years, thus still making 11 year old have babies from rape, and 2) according to republicans we are getting rid of Roe v Wade BECAUSE federal courts shouldn't be making decisions for states, right?

11-year-olds are minors and have no constitutional rights, the decision is up to parents unless they have committed a crime causing the pregnancy. Again best left up to States to decide these social issues.

minors have no constitutional rights? they do in the USA. leave up to the parents is what is being taking away.

Quote from: Hobby on May 16, 2022, 09:07 AM11-year-olds are minors and have no constitutional rights, the decision is up to parents unless they have committed a crime causing the pregnancy. Again best left up to States to decide these social issues.

Except Republican lawmakers want to take away the parent's right to get an abortion for their 11 year old.

And funny, the Supreme Court says minors have constitutional rights, "Attempts to extend constitutional rights to children did not
succeed in American law until the late 1960s, when the Supreme Court declared that "neither the Fourteenth Amendment nor the Bill of Rights is for adults alone."

Justice Blackmun in Planned Parenthood of Central Missouri v. Danforth.9 In writing the majority opinion, Blackmun wrote that "[clonstitutional rights do not mature and come into being magically only when one attains the state-defined age of majority. Minors, as well as adults, are protected by the Constitution and possess constitutional rights."'

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-121-constitutional-protections-afforded-juveniles

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/children%27s_rights

why is it Republicans want to take those away?