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Quote from: Romanticlover on May 25, 2022, 08:32 AMIt's not ridiculous if it's true.

Gov. Newsom(D) jumped on the bandwagon and said it was Republican's fault we have so many mass shootings.
These recent shooters had a history of mental illness but hadn't been convicted of any felonies so the gun laws wouldn't have stopped these tragedies. Chicago and NYC have the strictest gun laws in the US but people are killed by guns every week there.

It is their fault. They are the ones blocking bills that might reduce the number of shootings.

I just now learned of the Texas shooting where 19 kids were killed.  This is a tragedy and my heart goes out to the families.  Guns are not the problem. We have serious issues in our country that need to be addressed. Why is there such a spike in school shootings?

Quote from: Hobby on May 25, 2022, 03:12 PMI just now learned of the Texas shooting where 19 kids were killed.  This is a tragedy and my heart goes out to the families.  Guns are not the problem. We have serious issues in our country that need to be addressed. Why is there such a spike in school shootings?

Easy access to guns. Minimal regulation on guns. No accountability on gun violence.

Quote from: Blkfyre on May 25, 2022, 03:11 PMIt is their fault. They are the ones blocking bills that might reduce the number of shootings.

Oh, bullshit you can't regulate guns to fix the problem of school shootings. Fix the social issues that plague our youth and young adults. 

Quote from: Hobby on May 25, 2022, 03:17 PMOh, bullshit you can't regulate guns to fix the problem of school shootings. Fix the social issues that plague our youth and young adults. 

The social issues? Oh, you mean like "law-abiding" citizens storming a state capitol armed to the teeth in tactical gear occupying it? How that behavior was glorified? And no, I am not talking about January 6th

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"It is legal to bear firearms inside the statehouse, and several demonstrators were openly carrying guns in the Senate gallery.

But some armed protesters reportedly tried to enter the floor of the chamber, and were blocked by state police and sergeants-at-arms." <--that's unacceptable behavior and should be spoken as such, but do gun advocates? Nope, most praised it as their constitutional right. Shouldn't that be one of those things that you are saying should be fixed?

Quote from: Blkfyre on May 25, 2022, 03:11 PMIt is their fault. They are the ones blocking bills that might reduce the number of shootings.

How do you explain the rise in gun related deaths in Chicago and NYC that are both controlled by Democrats?

During the press conference today Gov. Abbott mentioned the same thing when asked by a reporter to which the room went silent.

Quote from: Blkfyre on May 25, 2022, 03:15 PMEasy access to guns. Minimal regulation on guns. No accountability on gun violence.

..and the Democrats answer is to catch and release violent criminals, weak DA's and judges are also the problem.

Quote from: Blkfyre on May 25, 2022, 03:24 PMThe social issues? Oh, you mean like "law-abiding" citizens storming a state capitol armed to the teeth in tactical gear occupying it? How that behavior was glorified? And no, I am not talking about January 6th

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"It is legal to bear firearms inside the statehouse, and several demonstrators were openly carrying guns in the Senate gallery.

But some armed protesters reportedly tried to enter the floor of the chamber, and were blocked by state police and sergeants-at-arms." <--that's unacceptable behavior and should be spoken as such, but do gun advocates? Nope, most praised it as their constitutional right. Shouldn't that be one of those things that you are saying should be fixed?

No, I am talking about the social pressures that are placed on our youth... The US is in such moral decay, things like this are going to continue to happen. Teen sucide should not be happening.

Quote from: Hobby on May 25, 2022, 03:12 PMI just now learned of the Texas shooting where 19 kids were killed.  This is a tragedy and my heart goes out to the families.  Guns are not the problem. We have serious issues in our country that need to be addressed. Why is there such a spike in school shootings?

Guns are definitely a big part of the problem. That's not even debatable. The correlation between the number of guns in circulation and the number of gun-related deaths is indisputable.

It's too late to do anything about this in any of our lifetimes. There's just no indication that the right-wingers are inclined to allow even modest progress on gun control. Maybe that will change in a few generations, but it ain't happening any time soon in a country that fetishizes firearms.

Quote from: Hobby on May 25, 2022, 04:14 PMNo, I am talking about the social pressures that are placed on our youth... The US is in such moral decay, things like this are going to continue to happen. Teen sucide should not be happening.

Right. You ARE NOT talking about why threatening people while armed is bad, but you turn wonder how it is people take it one step further and just take care of their problems.

Hog Wash... We did not have mass shootings 50, 60 + years ago. What changed? Society has changed, with single parents, high divorce rates, both parents working, and drugs.  There was a time when one parent stayed home and took care of the home and the kids. Today's kids are often left alone unsupervised after school or all day when parents are out working! There was a time when you could spank your kid not anymore...

Quote from: Blkfyre on May 25, 2022, 04:44 PMRight. You ARE NOT talking about why threatening people while armed is bad, but you turn wonder how it is people take it one step further and just take care of their problems.

No sense discussing anything with you, all you want to do is argue argue argue! A mule has more sense than you!

Quote from: Hobby on May 25, 2022, 04:52 PMNo sense discussing anything with you, all you want to do is argue argue argue! A mule has more sense than you!

The answer is not more legislation on guns that won't stop anything. Why are kids acting out in such a destructive manner to want to kill innocent people? What went wrong in their upbringing? No, I am not making excuses blaming the parents the kid should know right from wrong. And when I say kid, I consider an 18-year-old to still be a kid when they act out.

Quote from: Hobby on May 25, 2022, 05:06 PMThe answer is not more legislation on guns that won't stop anything. Why are kids acting out in such a destructive manner to want to kill innocent people? What went wrong in their upbringing? No, I am not making excuses blaming the parents the kid should know right from wrong. And when I say kid, I consider an 18-year-old to still be a kid when they act out.

Why are they acting out? Ask the people who dehumanize their political opponents with terms like "libertard" and "Demoncrats" and telling their kids that these people want to steal the food off their table by taxing people who, if they paid their taxes wouldn't feel it any more than we would. Ask the people who say someone should go down and crack heads at a Black Lives Matter protest. Ask the people who think it's OK that a teen who legally shouldn't be carrying a gun was a righteous person when he used said illegal gun to kill multiple people. Ask the people who say our jobs are being stolen by Mexicans coming over the boarder and they should be mad and do something about it without telling them that the reason those jobs are there is that Americans don't want to do it for the wages that are being paid, so is it really theft?

WTF doubt the kids in the schools are fighting over politics or is the cause of gun violence in our schools.