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I wish politics became the helpful, productive force towards a functional society like I thought it was when I was in high school.

Now it's just...ugh. ugh in the USA. Different ugh in western Europe. And really weird ugh in India subcontinent  depressing ugh in Africa

Quote from: HighStepper on Sep 09, 2024, 01:55 PMYes, you make a good point. There seems to be a natural tendency to having politicians explants their "flip flop" change in position.

However, we are so use to Trump flip flopping we hardly question it about him anymore. Donald Trump has changed his position on abortion 16 times. Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop. Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop. Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, That is just one issue.

Harris is now flip-flopping on building a wall and fracking, they all do it for votes.
BTW: The debate is Tuesday at 6 pm Pacific

Quote from: Romanticlover on Sep 09, 2024, 06:51 PMHarris is now flip-flopping on building a wall and fracking, they all do it for votes.
BTW: The debate is Tuesday at 6 pm Pacific

Here we go again with the "they're all the same" bullshit. There are "normal" flip-flopping politicians like Harris, and then there are insane, dangerous, criminal, autocratic flip-floppers like Trump.

It's not bullshit if it's true, they all swing to the middle to get elected then swing back when they are elected.
All politicians lie, this is a great scene from The Hunt For Red October...

he's ok with voting for a felon 34 times over.

Quote from: bats on Sep 09, 2024, 08:16 PMHere we go again with the "they're all the same" bullshit. There are "normal" flip-flopping politicians like Harris, and then there are insane, dangerous, criminal, autocratic flip-floppers like Trump.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Sep 09, 2024, 08:37 PMIt's not bullshit if it's true, they all swing to the middle to get elected then swing back when they are elected.
All politicians lie

It's bullshit anytime anyone uses that kind of trivial similarity to try to equate Trump with any other American politician. There are "normal" lying politicians, and there's Trump. He is on a whole other level of sleaze, and he's fucking dangerous because of it. 

Kamala Harris needs to bate Trump.  It will demonstrated his idiot, ranting raging words.  Watch him incite war or some threatening kind a shit to this planet.

Pelosi thinks Trump will not show up for debate since he's a big glorified chicken that hates her. 

Harris and other groups are absolutely slamming Trump with ads highlighting the mental decline he has been exhibiting lately, including Harris buying time on Fox News to run one of her ads!

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It's just so wearying to keep up with the infantile rants he goes on all of which he thinks prove he's winning...

In the debate Kamala ripped him a new asshole in addition to many he already had.

This debate was just as I thought it would be and I doubt it changed anybody's mind on who they are going to vote for. We get to choose in about 60 days from now, the choice is higher prices and less jobs or lower prices and more jobs but mean tweets. Forced to buy an electric stove and EV or buy whatever you want, I choose lower prices and buy whatever I want. I vote for a secure border and cheap gas.

Quote from: dogwalker on Sep 10, 2024, 08:45 PMIn the debate Kamala ripped him a new asshole in addition to many he already had.

She really did. In the first few minutes, I was worried, but she made a lot good points about what a shithead he is while mostly taking the high road.

Quote from: Romanticlover on Sep 10, 2024, 09:15 PMThis debate was just as I thought it would be and I doubt it changed anybody's mind on who they are going to vote for. We get to choose in about 60 days from now, the choice is higher prices and less jobs or lower prices and more jobs but mean tweets. Forced to buy an electric stove and EV or buy whatever you want, I choose lower prices and buy whatever I want. I vote for a secure border and cheap gas.

So you may have missed the part where his out-of-touch response to her claim that world leaders are laughing at him was to point out that Viktor Orban likes him.

Viktor Orban is a fucking autocrat. He's the darling of the extreme right, which is overtly anti-democratic.

Glad some can predict the future.  I can't.

Quote from: bats on Sep 10, 2024, 09:21 PMSo you may have missed the part where his out-of-touch response to her claim that world leaders are laughing at him was to point out that Viktor Orban likes him.

Viktor Orban is a fucking autocrat. He's the darling of the extreme right, which is overtly anti-democratic.

I don't give a shit about other countries or their leaders, I just care about this country.
I do know the world is laughing at Biden.